Buzzell Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 We're a well run club with generous owners who don't get involved in the football side of things, I think there's plenty of managers in worse positions who would jump at the chance even with us being nailed on for relegation. Still not answered my question though. Who?
hackneyfox Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Money talks, and while we are likely to be relegated this season now anyway, we have wealthy owners who support the club, and a good fan base. There will be managers that would come here. This
smudger63 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Yeah alright Pearsonite. Ha Ha, well that`s the first time i`ve been called a Pearsonite, i`m normally abused by them
hackneyfox Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Still not answered my question though. Who? Lennon for a start, anyone who can get Celtic to the quarters of the CL and also beat Barcelona is clearly a better tactician than NFP.
hackneyfox Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Still not answered my question though. Who? I honestly think any half decent manager would get better results than we are currently achieving. They wouldn't keep making the same mistakes week after week. My 9 year old questions why we bring on players with 5 minutes to go when we're losing.
Steve Earle Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Crying shame. I like the guy and will forever be grateful for last season, but now I see we boobed in December. Should have gone for Pulis then. Too late to change now IMO.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 If you were my grandad I wouldn't visit Oh, good.
ronnup Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Money talks, and while we are likely to be relegated this season now anyway, we have wealthy owners who support the club, and a good fan base. There will be managers that would come here. Give me three that would improve us and in your opinion come.
smudger63 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Well i will give you two that i would be happy with. Lennon is the obvious one, he has lifted Bolton, who were rapidly heading into league one obscurity, to the relative safety of mid table, and in doing so, seems to have been brave enough, and willing enough to play the young lad Clough, who looks a top prospect. We could have a punt at Big Sam, who is still not wanted by West Ham fans, and who`s out of contract in the summer, and with the West Ham owners looking unlikely to offer him another one. We might not like his football, but he has a wealth of experience in the premier league,where he has always done a good job, and has also got teams out of the championship. You might say he wouldn`t come here, but offer him a decent contract, and i think he would be a possibility. He certainly wont be at West Ham next season whatever. We could of course just carry on as we are, be relegated with barely a whimper, and reward Pearson for his abject failure by giving him another shot at getting us promoted next season!
Haydos Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Give me three that would improve us and in your opinion come. Doubt you'll get a valid reply. I've been trying for weeks from anyone that wants him out and can't get an answer.
smudger63 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Doubt you'll get a valid reply. I've been trying for weeks from anyone that wants him out and can't get an answer. Can you think of any other manager that would only pick up 9 points from the last 60 though?
MHC Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Doubt you'll get a valid reply. I've been trying for weeks from anyone that wants him out and can't get an answer. You mean any suggestion someone makes is the wrong answer because you don't agree with it? How do you know who will improve us and who won't? You truly are an unfortunate minded person.
Guest kristianity77 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Get Mick McCarthy in for the last dozen games or so.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I'm going to sound simple to you, but as we will probably go down, what manager is better qualified to take us up again than the last man to win the division Okay, you can argue that he should have gone months ago for better survival chances this season. But he didn't, so vent your frustrations about his tactics & his choices all you like. But trying to force him out now is cutting off your nose to spite your face. There's zero logic in it other than to please a section of fans who's disappointment blurs their vision of what's best for the club Look I'm not on to fall out with people, and I must stress that any arguments I put forward don't have at their root an anti Pearson agenda. My thought process is what I think would be better for the club. However seeing as he has engineered with 'his' team a diabolical season thus far, it is difficult to get away from the connection between the two. With or without Pearson we will be relegated, and I think we should be planning for someone we think / hope can do a better job, to take the team forward. It seems reasonable to me, as submitted by the OP that the sooner this happens the better, and it would be remiss of the powers that be, not to be doing so. It's not going to salvage this season, but it would give the new guy more time to get organised and bed in.
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 We haven't played well enough all season that's why we're bottom. I don't believe the players are behind Pearson, they up their game when we play the big sides and are poor against the teams we should be beating. Can you show me where you think he's improved as a manger this season? We make a substitution in the 65th whether it's needed or not. We make substitutuions in the 88th minute when we're losing or like today just don't bother. He's replaced De Laet with Simpson who was poor in the first place but is getting worse as games go by. He takes of Was and leaves on Morgan who is also getting worse as games go by. He refuses to start Albrighton however well he has played when he does get on as a sub and however poor Schlupp or Mahrez may be. He drop Hamer for a mistake but keeps playing Schwarzer. He has failed to bring in any young defenders so that needs sorting massively next season. How do you make the connection between the players not being behind Pearson and our results or performances so far? Our shortcomings have been in all areas, be it goalkeeper, defense, midfield or attack - we're usually short of class and/or our players have come up with some of the biggest c*ck-ups you can imagine in our league games. The amount of individual errors that have led to goals against is astonishing. I don't see how preferring Simpson over De Laet was a mistake. De Laet was prone to extreme errors supporting our forward play and today was one of the few really bad games from Simpson that I've seen up until this point. If at all, I thought Simpson was on the up after the past few weeks. Today, he's had a shocker, much like everybody else (bar Kramaric, maybe). As for the lack of young defenders, we started the season with Moore and we all know how that panned out. I thought Pearson's substitution tactics had improved as of late. Today was an absolutely horrid display from our squad, especially twice as bitter because this Villa squad was there for the taking. And we just caved in so willfully in the second half, essentially inviting them to score.
SecretPro Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 The 'Yeah but who you going to repace him with' argument is shite. I bet Villa were saying that when questions were first raised over Lambert, and even after Tim has been given the job there were Villa fans saying he wasn't a 'big enough name'. Bet they are not saying that now after a comfortable two goal win. There are replacements out there, just because they might not be Alex Fergusson doesn't mean they are not good enough for us. Nige did a fantastic job with us previously and before that he was an unknown entity. Managers have to start somewhere and not only that, sometimes they get a good gig, sometimes they have a stinker. Not knowing who to replace you manager with isn't a reason to keep the doggo one you have. Big respect to Pearson for getting us here, he's been fab. Do I want him in the job now? No, probably not, having said that it's probably a bit late to think whoever came in would save us. Others on here saying leave Pearson in charge, he knows the Champiobship, he's proven there, he will get us up etc...Thats just not true, there are so many variants such as players leaving, the dressing room moral after relegation, the added pressure of being expected to bounce straight back etc. I can see the 'give him another year in the Championship and then when we get back up he will have learnt from his mistakes and he will know how to handle the prem - the trouble with that is that he hasn't learnt anything, he hasn't learnt from any mistakes, his tactics havn't changed, his usual suspects getting picked havn't changed, nothing has changed and no progression has been made and therefor he has learnt nothing, he hasn't adapted, so why this assumption that he will have learnt something after another season (or 5) in the championship. He's done a good job up until this season, thank him, cut him loose, let him leave with his reputation not entirely in tatters and remembered fondly by many at, around and supporting the club. Get someone else in asap - yes the question of who is a good one but even just the change can shake things up, push the players to fight for places, give a bit of relief, belief etc. Do it now.
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 The 'Yeah but who you going to repace him with' argument is shite. I bet Villa were saying that when questions were first raised over Lambert, and even after Tim has been given the job there were Villa fans saying he wasn't a 'big enough name'. Bet they are not saying that now after a comfortable two goal win. There are replacements out there, just because they might not be Alex Fergusson doesn't mean they are not good enough for us. Nige did a fantastic job with us previously and before that he was an unknown entity. Managers have to start somewhere and not only that, sometimes they get a good gig, sometimes they have a stinker. Not knowing who to replace you manager with isn't a reason to keep the doggo one you have. Big respect to Pearson for getting us here, he's been fab. Do I want him in the job now? No, probably not, having said that it's probably a bit late to think whoever came in would save us. Others on here saying leave Pearson in charge, he knows the Champiobship, he's proven there, he will get us up etc...Thats just not true, there are so many variants such as players leaving, the dressing room moral after relegation, the added pressure of being expected to bounce straight back etc. I can see the 'give him another year in the Championship and then when we get back up he will have learnt from his mistakes and he will know how to handle the prem - the trouble with that is that he hasn't learnt anything, he hasn't learnt from any mistakes, his tactics havn't changed, his usual suspects getting picked havn't changed, nothing has changed and no progression has been made and therefor he has learnt nothing, he hasn't adapted, so why this assumption that he will have learnt something after another season (or 5) in the championship. He's done a good job up until this season, thank him, cut him loose, let him leave with his reputation not entirely in tatters and remembered fondly by many at, around and supporting the club. Get someone else in asap - yes the question of who is a good one but even just the change can shake things up, push the players to fight for places, give a bit of relief, belief etc. Do it now. Whom would you bring in as a replacement? Btw, we lost 2-1. Not 2-0.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I honestly think any half decent manager would get better results than we are currently achieving. They wouldn't keep making the same mistakes week after week. My 9 year old questions why we bring on players with 5 minutes to go when we're losing. ThisI find it hard to understand why we should continue with a guy who has performed so appallingly at this level. And why some people continue to believe: A he should not receive criticism B loyalty to him stands above everything, even the club's future wellbeing (imo relegation is very bad) C no other manager exists on the planet who could possibly do better with these players (note: Pearson now PROVEN failure in PL with these players) Discuss!
Bettsj2 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 'Who would you replace him with?' Does it matter? Bottom and shit. Nobody could do a worse job. As for all this, 'he'll bring us back up' bollocks. How about staying up? Is that not the first option? Pearson regularly pisses in the mouths of his supporters and all they can do is ask for more. Its becoming embarrassing to read peoples defence of him now. His shortcomings are many and obvious to see. Let's just replace him for christ sake.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 'Who would you replace him with?' Does it matter? Bottom and shit. Nobody could do a worse job. As for all this, 'he'll bring us back up' bollocks. How about staying up? Is that not the first option? Pearson regularly pisses in the mouths of his supporters and all they can do is ask for more. Its becoming embarrassing to read peoples defence of him now. His shortcomings are many and obvious to see. Let's just replace him for christ sake. And again this
SecretPro Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Whom would you bring in as a replacement? Btw, we lost 2-1. Not 2-0. My mistake, 2-1, 2-0 who gives a ****? It was dismal.
nettle Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I think the tide is turning on this site regarding wanting Pearson out. Today was shocking to say the least the players played with no urgency and it looked very much like the players don't want him here anymore. Pearson out!
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I think the tide is turning on this site regarding wanting Pearson out. Today was shocking to say the least the players played with no urgency and it looked very much like the players don't want him here anymore. Pearson out! Not really, it's just a regular wave of posters on here now who don't like the manager flooding the forum, as per usual. Comes the rest of the week, they're quite inactive, really.
Haydos Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 You mean any suggestion someone makes is the wrong answer because you don't agree with it? How do you know who will improve us and who won't? You truly are an unfortunate minded person. I don't think you're quite understanding again. The people that wasn't him out have not been able to offer any suggestions. Do you want me to repeat that again? The only one I've heard (after me repeatedly making this point to you and a few others) is Neil Lennon. I'm not claiming to know who'd do well and who wouldn't but Neil Lennon? Not exactly awe inspiring for literally the only name I've had suggested to me.
Ozwin Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 If we had given a load of fringe players a chance and gone out we wouldn't care too much but that was more or less our starting 11 and they couldn't be arsed. 6500 fans deserve refunds after that shower.
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