Haydos Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Laudrup (realistic and plays good football) Solsjkaer (apparently Pearson will learn from his mistakes so OGS should be well ready to go) Hoddle (plays great football and bar a dodgy spell at Wolves has had good success as a manager. Been out of management for a while but his coaching role at QPR was always to ease him back in) Allardyce (Gold and Sullivan want a flashier name for the move to the Olympic Stadium and won't offer him a new deal. Big Sam knows the Championship and the Prem. Ideal.) Zola (The owners at Watford shackled him. With good owners he could be decent.) Lennon (certainly a motivator and would unite the fans and provide a lift that may transpose to the pitch. Cambiasso/Phillips (Seems to orchestrate matters on the pitch and Phillips might learn from NP's errors) Tigana (Stylish football, well connected and organised) Jol (Good manager that had a rotten core at Fulham. Would bring style to our play) Coleman (Did a good job at Fulham. Could bring us steel and organisation which hopefully could keep us up.) McCoist (Learnt from Walter Smith and a reputation for good football. Available after leaving Rangers and is certainly used to bad situations) Curbishly (One of the best managers not to be in work. Its been a while but he has experience in bucket loads) So many gambles/unemployed/failures in that list it's almost funny. Laudrup and Allardyce are about the only ones worth humouring you with and the latter will be at a bigger club than us if he leaves WH although if we could get him I'd be happy. The rest is uninspiring dross I'm sorry to say. Desperate list of candidates if I ever saw one. A couple of half decent names but there's a recent why half of them haven't been in management for a few years. And McCoist? Had to laugh at that after the joke of a club Rangers has been over the last couple of years.
shailen Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 You got to love the way if you support Pearson you are sensible and knowledgeable but if you dare question Sir Nigel you know nothing. Were you begging the club to keep Taylor, Levein etc as well given your in depth superior knowledge of the game 'O wise one'? Clearly you could see us playing dire football under Levein. Taylor dismantled a successful team with overrated expensive players. In both of these eras it was clear we were playing awful and going backwards. Under Pearson we are almost there. We are playing some excellent football, just not being clinical enough. The amount of pundits who have praised us this season has been endless. Our defending in general has been decent, but individual errors have cost us time after time. What can the manager do about this? He sets the team out and applies his tactics, which for the most part have worked, but if we miss every chance and make basic errors then blame the players not the manager.
MHC Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Yes there might be, but you telling me people would actually agree with getting a mid table league one manager? If we get rid, for me there needs to be a compelling candidate available. At this stage of the season those that are compelling are never going to come because they will no doubt be looking at success somewhere else. We may as well wait it out now and see where we are nearer the end of the season. I agree with you. If we got rid of Pearson and replaced him with a nobody I would be thoroughly disappointed with the appointment along with everybody else I'd imagine but it doesn't mean it couldn't work. There are managers out there that could do better then Pearson but blind loyalty clouds judgment, and fans with this blind loyalty refuse to even give another manager the time of day despite not knowing whether they would be a success. How do people know the likes of Lennon, Lambert etc would be bad managers for us based on what they have done with other clubs? I can think of hundreds of managers who have been rubbish at one club only to be huge successes at others.
Captain... Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 We need to do one thing and one thing only and that is support the fvcking club, that includes the manager, the players and the owners. Any attempts to undermine the manager and force him out will backfire spectacularly. Look at some of the embarrassing scenes at some clubs recently. Support the club, support the team, support the manager. Through thick and thin. If the owners decide to sack him then we support the next person through the door. We are supporters, so support them and if you can't do that then you are not a supporter.
Gazza M Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I have always been a Pearson fan, until the recent weeks. It has been bizare. His behaviour in the media has been unprofessional, his poor team selections and tactics have been strange and finally how many games can you keep going on a losing streak for before calling time. I think he should have gone last week when it was reported he was sacked. We are a total embaressment at the moment! You can't fault his past, but it is at a different level now and he hasn't got it. We have 13 games to save our season. Personally I would give Zola a go. Even if we go down he does know the Championship also.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Any you know that because???Because a) they have failed and b) I have a brain.Laudrup - already said he's going nowhere in the face of shit loads of cash from QPR. Fat Sam - do me a favour, if he leaves there he will have better options than Leicester City. Curbishly - the bloke will not take a job, he's been out of football for how long? The only one not a failure and actually viable is Lennon, even then he's not done that much to warrant the job.
Max Power Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Warburton, Lennon and Clement are three names that spring to mind. A change needs to be made. Pearson doesn't have it and he isn't learning lessons.
skmanuk Posted 15 February 2015 Author Posted 15 February 2015 Did Taylor and Levein et al. also give us promotion to the Premier League, oh Wild Blue one? Would you like continue comparing apples to oranges? I have no quarrel with people who're able to articulate their criticism in a thoughtful and concise manner. "Fans" with their regular and simplistic "Pearson Out!" can just fvck off and die. I do hope you catch my drift. I assume this is an example of your thoughtful measured way and not a one liner. I always try and address the post and not sink to abuse. Clearly something that is beyond you despite having 28,000+ worth of posts to practice.
Robin JD Popley Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Last Sunday was our real chance to get rid and we bottled it. Completely bottled it. When I think of other managers in his position in past years who have been sacked, a good proportion of them went for less. I cannot understand how some people are defending his decisions after today's shower... Pathetic. I have resigned myself to relegation but cannot accept going down without a whimper which is what we are doing at present so we need a new manager to change things. Yes, it may take another 6 months before things begin to settle down but it would be worth it to not witness more performances like today.
ScouseFox Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 neil lennon the player is clearly massively clouding the views on neil lennon the manager. imagine thinking he'd do a better job in the long term than pearson .
Haydos Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I agree with you. If we got rid of Pearson and replaced him with a nobody I would be thoroughly disappointed with the appointment along with everybody else I'd imagine but it doesn't mean it couldn't work. There are managers out there that could do better then Pearson but blind loyalty clouds judgment, and fans with this blind loyalty refuse to even give another manager the time of day despite not knowing whether they would be a success. How do people know the likes of Lennon, Lambert etc would be bad managers for us based on what they have done with other clubs? I can think of hundreds of managers who have been rubbish at one club only to be huge successes at others. There's a load of managers you can say that about though. There needs to be logic and probably statistics behind this decision. Appointing someone like Lambert after the dross he's served up at Villa would make no sense even if there's 'a chance' he could succeed here. I apologise if I'm coming across as a dick, I probably am because I'm pissed off with Pearson and a lot of our players at the moment, but I consider myself as quite a logical person and appointing an alright name because they've done alright at an alright team in the past doesn't make sense to me and I'm very against it. I want an improvement of we're to replace Pearson because for me he is greater than the sum of his parts. It's not just his managerial ability that I'm taking into account, it's the foundations, the stability that we've earned that I think is still important. We might need to knock a wall down here and there but it's not a massive rebuilding job. People mentioning Laudrup, Allardyce etc, fair enough but Lennon, Solskjaer, Hoddle etc? Dross.
shailen Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Why do people react to one game. We were awful today, no question. But we were fantastic against Arsenal and people were raving about our performances...etc. If you dont believe in Pearson's fundamental philosophies and tactics, fair enough. BUT dont change your opinion after one game.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Because a) they have failed and b) I have a brain. Laudrup - already said he's going nowhere in the face of shit loads of cash from QPR. Fat Sam - do me a favour, if he leaves there he will have better options than Leicester City. Curbishly - the bloke will not take a job, he's been out of football for how long? The only one not a failure and actually viable is Lennon, even then he's not done that much to warrant the job. Being out of football isn't really an issue in my eyes. Curbishly still watches football and is aware of the changes in football as we all are. I think its a little simplistic to say, 'he's not managed for ages so he won't be any good'. He's got an excellent record and a good reputation. Certainly couldn't do a worse job. Allardyce I don't think is as unrealistic as you. His dip into big club management at Newcastle ended badly and I think he likes big fish, small pond.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 I agree with you. If we got rid of Pearson and replaced him with a nobody I would be thoroughly disappointed with the appointment along with everybody else I'd imagine but it doesn't mean it couldn't work. There are managers out there that could do better then Pearson but blind loyalty clouds judgment, and fans with this blind loyalty refuse to even give another manager the time of day despite not knowing whether they would be a success. How do people know the likes of Lennon, Lambert etc would be bad managers for us based on what they have done with other clubs? I can think of hundreds of managers who have been rubbish at one club only to be huge successes at others.We don't know they wouldn't be ok, just as we don't know Pearson won't be. But to make a change for me they need to be compelling.Lambert whilst doing a great job at Norwich fills me with dread. People call Pearson drab and uninspiring, compared to this bloke he looks like a comedian. You seem to be suggesting we just appoint anyone as they might be great. They might be bloody awful as well. I'd want someone who can transition into Pearson's role, someone who is as keen on sports science. Someone with a scouting network and whose ideas on scouting integrate with what we already have. What I don't want is to have to rip everything up and start again. They need to compliment what we have already... it's hard to say who that would be as we don't know the finer background details of managers and their teams.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Why do people react to one game. We were awful today, no question. But we were fantastic against Arsenal and people were raving about our performances...etc. If you dont believe in Pearson's fundamental philosophies and tactics, fair enough. BUT dont change your opinion after one game. So its OK to react to just one game if the performance is good yeah?
Haydos Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 We don't know they wouldn't be ok, just as we don't know Pearson won't be. But to make a change for me they need to be compelling. Lambert whilst doing a great job at Norwich fills me with dread. People call Pearson drab and uninspiring, compared to this bloke he looks like a comedian. You seem to be suggesting we just appoint anyone as they might be great. They might be bloody awful as well. I'd want someone who can transition into Pearson's role, someone who is as keen on sports science. Someone with a scouting network and whose ideas on scouting integrate with what we already have. What I don't want is to have to rip everything up and start again. They need to compliment what we have already... it's hard to say who that would be as we don't know the finer background details of managers and their teams. Can you sign all your posts with my name as well as yours this eve. Basically just saying what I want at the moment, feel like I'm wasting my time
Babylon Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Being out of football isn't really an issue in my eyes. Curbishly still watches football and is aware of the changes in football as we all are. I think its a little simplistic to say, 'he's not managed for ages so he won't be any good'. He's got an excellent record and a good reputation. Certainly couldn't do a worse job. Allardyce I don't think is as unrealistic as you. His dip into big club management at Newcastle ended badly and I think he likes big fish, small pond. Doe's Curbishley want to get back into football? There has to be a reason why he's never got back into it. I reckon there is probably something behind it, what is anyone's guess but nobody will touch the bloke.
m4DD0gg Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 5000 A3 size pieces of paper saying 'PEARSON OUT' for the next home game should do the trick, certainly helped when MON was in two minds about going to leeds.
skmanuk Posted 15 February 2015 Author Posted 15 February 2015 We don't know they wouldn't be ok, just as we don't know Pearson won't be. But to make a change for me they need to be compelling. Lambert whilst doing a great job at Norwich fills me with dread. People call Pearson drab and uninspiring, compared to this bloke he looks like a comedian. You seem to be suggesting we just appoint anyone as they might be great. They might be bloody awful as well. I'd want someone who can transition into Pearson's role, someone who is as keen on sports science. Someone with a scouting network and whose ideas on scouting integrate with what we already have. What I don't want is to have to rip everything up and start again. They need to compliment what we have already... it's hard to say who that would be as we don't know the finer background details of managers and their teams. Respect your posts although I disagree with many, I would add someone with a bit of passion wouldn't go amiss.
MHC Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 There's a load of managers you can say that about though. There needs to be logic and probably statistics behind this decision. Appointing someone like Lambert after the dross he's served up at Villa would make no sense even if there's 'a chance' he could succeed here. I apologise if I'm coming across as a dick, I probably am because I'm pissed off with Pearson and a lot of our players at the moment, but I consider myself as quite a logical person and appointing an alright name because they've done alright at an alright team in the past doesn't make sense to me and I'm very against it. I want an improvement of we're to replace Pearson because for me he is greater than the sum of his parts. It's not just his managerial ability that I'm taking into account, it's the foundations, the stability that we've earned that I think is still important. We might need to knock a wall down here and there but it's not a massive rebuilding job. People mentioning Laudrup, Allardyce etc, fair enough but Lennon, Solskjaer, Hoddle etc? Dross. That's more like it Haydos, top post, I can't fault it.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Doe's Curbishley want to get back into football? There has to be a reason why he's never got back into it. I reckon there is probably something behind it, what is anyone's guess but nobody will touch the bloke. He's been reported to have been offered roles but turned them down. Obv nobody knows the motivation of the man but if he is just waiting for the right challenge, our owners, set up, fan base could be the tempter?
SecretPro Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Why do people react to one game. We were awful today, no question. But we were fantastic against Arsenal and people were raving about our performances...etc. If you dont believe in Pearson's fundamental philosophies and tactics, fair enough. BUT dont change your opinion after one game. Fantastic against Arsenal, losing 2-1.
SecretPro Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 There's a load of managers you can say that about though. There needs to be logic and probably statistics behind this decision. Appointing someone like Lambert after the dross he's served up at Villa would make no sense even if there's 'a chance' he could succeed here. I apologise if I'm coming across as a dick, I probably am because I'm pissed off with Pearson and a lot of our players at the moment, but I consider myself as quite a logical person and appointing an alright name because they've done alright at an alright team in the past doesn't make sense to me and I'm very against it. I want an improvement of we're to replace Pearson because for me he is greater than the sum of his parts. It's not just his managerial ability that I'm taking into account, it's the foundations, the stability that we've earned that I think is still important. We might need to knock a wall down here and there but it's not a massive rebuilding job. People mentioning Laudrup, Allardyce etc, fair enough but Lennon, Solskjaer, Hoddle etc? Dross. Respect.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 Respect your posts although I disagree with many, I would add someone with a bit of passion wouldn't go amiss.I'm not really arsed about that, plenty of managers have gone down shouting and screaming.I have no problem with how he is. I'd rather have the bland frontman who does it all behind closed doors.
MHC Posted 15 February 2015 Posted 15 February 2015 We don't know they wouldn't be ok, just as we don't know Pearson won't be. But to make a change for me they need to be compelling. Lambert whilst doing a great job at Norwich fills me with dread. People call Pearson drab and uninspiring, compared to this bloke he looks like a comedian. You seem to be suggesting we just appoint anyone as they might be great. They might be bloody awful as well. I'd want someone who can transition into Pearson's role, someone who is as keen on sports science. Someone with a scouting network and whose ideas on scouting integrate with what we already have. What I don't want is to have to rip everything up and start again. They need to compliment what we have already... it's hard to say who that would be as we don't know the finer background details of managers and their teams. You've got me all wrong, if we do get rid of Pearson then it has to be for the right person, absolutely no question. I'd gamble on Lennon and maybe Lambert achieving more then what Pearson could but that's just my opinion and both could turn out to be terrible. No matter who we go for if Pearson gets sacked it would be a gamble. I was certain Sven was going to take us to the dizzy heights when he was appointed and look what happened there. You can never be sure who will succeed and who won't. If it happened I'd give the new manager a chance even if it turned out to be someone I didn't want.
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