The EU referendum - IN / OUT or Shake it all about.

[Harry - LCFC]

Suspending campaigning was sensible, no-one would have gained much by carrying on anyway.

There's talk of recalling Parliament I understand - tomorrow might be a bit soon though.

I expect maybe a low key campaigning day tomorrow and maybe Saturday, Sunday back to normalish, Monday in Parliament for the day, Tuesday back to full speed.

 

I'll be furious if that's what we see. We must not impose restrictions on our speech in response to political violence.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I'll be furious if that's what we see. We must not impose restrictions on our speech in response to political violence.

I think most people would be relieved for the rest - and prefer a slightly toned down approach anyway.

And think like a campaigner - what's the point spending time, money and effort, when you're unlikely to get the press time?

[Strokes]

http://news.sky.com/story/1712859/pm-steps-up-a-gear-and-calls-in-clarkson

The comments below, I don't thinks it's working Dave

[Steven]

"He was shouting 'Britain first' when he was doing it and being arrested." I wonder who he will vote for in the referendum?

[johnny the fox]

"He was shouting 'Britain first' when he was doing it and being arrested." I wonder who he will vote for in the referendum?

It really is beneath contempt to try to use this tragedy who's full details will still do not know, to try to politically point score.... 

[leicsmac]

It really is beneath contempt to try to use this tragedy who's full details will still do not know, to try to politically point score....

Yep, because that distaste really stops people from jumping to conclusions on here when other similar incidents happen where...other demographics are involved.

Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but there's a lot of hypocrisy floating about.

[Steven]

It really is beneath contempt to try to use this tragedy who's full details will still do not know, to try to politically point score....

I am just channeling my inner Nigel Farage.

[apple987]

The fact that news outlets are saying it is reported he said put Britain first is them trying to point score. It isn't official. So why say it. Can't wait until all this bullshit is over tbh.

[Strokes]

Yep, because that distaste really stops people from jumping to conclusions on here when other similar incidents happen where...other demographics are involved.

Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but there's a lot of hypocrisy floating about.

Is it the same people/posters, if so you should pull them up on it. Seems a little bit holier than thou otherwise.

[apple987]

A lot of people on twitter seem to think leave campaigners are racist. Its really sad and upsetting tbh. How can people be so thick to think that wanting to leave the EU is racist??

[Strokes]

A lot of people on twitter seem to think leave campaigners are racist. Its really sad and upsetting tbh. How can people be so thick to think that wanting to leave the EU is racist??

Because their are a significant proportion of racist people that are attached to leave, and it's easy to smear the whole side with crap that some spout. There is genuine non racist, non bigotry reasons for wanting out, so don't let it get to you. Let's not pretend if the boot was on the other foot, leave wouldn't be trying to smear remain.

[Steven]

A lot of people on twitter seem to think leave campaigners are racist. Its really sad and upsetting tbh. How can people be so thick to think that wanting to leave the EU is racist??

There are a lot of brown faces on Nigel's poster when I suspect most of the EU migrants to the UK would be more 'white'. So why chose the brown faces?

[Guest]

So the argument is as follows foxxed..........we can't leave EU because thing will cost us more - me, if they are too expensive maybe we can make them ourselves (job creation, national wealth etc) - you, we can't make them cheaper China will under cut us.

Great so things won't cost much more then

 

I thought you told us to stop this thread "in respect"?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

The fact that news outlets are saying it is reported he said put Britain first is them trying to point score. It isn't official. So why say it. Can't wait until all this bullshit is over tbh.

Shall we try not to forget that two children lost their mother in horrible circumstances less than 24 hours ago? You're closing comment could look to some (and i personally take this view) a little insensitive to say the least.

[apple987]

A lot of tweets like this. Sickos

[apple987]

Shall we try not to forget that two children lost their mother in horrible circumstances less than 24 hours ago? You're closing comment could look to some (and i personally take this view) a little insensitive to say the least.

I meant the referendum being over. I'm tired of it all now. Its draining.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I thought you told us to stop this thread "in respect"?

I suggested it yesterday - given the campaign's had stopped as well for a bit, plus I could see a danger this thread would naturally introduce possibly unwise comment about yesterday's events.

[leicsmac]

Is it the same people/posters, if so you should pull them up on it. Seems a little bit holier than thou otherwise.

I do when I get the opportunity, but I'm not going to name names right here, unless you're insistent.

Just looking at the threads on here for practically every other incident where innocent people have been killed like this there are people seeking to politicise it and generalising based on the ideology of the perpetrator. Yet in this case, there is instead calls to mourn, to remember, to not focus on the political aspect of the attack.

It's a pretty clear double standard.

[midland_red]

It really is beneath contempt to try to use this tragedy who's full details will still do not know, to try to politically point score.... 

 

I wish I could agree - but sadly, we have a responsibility to look at the sort of society we have suddenly become, where crazed fascists can gun down a pro-EU MP in broad daylight.

And if you ant another angle.....here is Martin Samuel, the Daily Mails's top football writer, on the poisonous political climate which has inspired UK football hooliganism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3637944/Euro-2016-violence-Marseille-Half-naked-paralytic-leering-women-taking-town-square-like-occupying-army-s-England-fans-repulse-world.html

This referendum has stirred up some really foul shit that has been lying at the bottom of the pond for years without ever really going away

[Strokes]

I thought you told us to stop this thread "in respect"?

No I didn't.

[Strokes]

I do when I get the opportunity, but I'm not going to name names right here, unless you're insistent.

Just looking at the threads on here for practically every other incident where innocent people have been killed like this there are people seeking to politicise it and generalising based on the ideology of the perpetrator. Yet in this case, there is instead calls to mourn, to remember, to not focus on the political aspect of the attack.

It's a pretty clear double standard.

I agree to a point, perhaps it's that this closer to home than most others.

[Steven]

This referendum has stirred up some really foul shit that has been lying at the bottom of the pond for years without ever really going away

All true. :-( There are 'craven politicians' who are quite deliberately blurring the lines in the debate about migration between migration and race for their own benefit.

[The Railway Man]

Must be a tough one for Corbyn this, when an MP is murdered by extremists he usualy invites them for peace talks a couple of weeks afterwards, hope he doesn't do so this time.

[Rincewind]

Jonathan Pie's viewpoint. Sums it all up.

 

https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1701832670068673/

 

Can't post the video direct.

[Guest MattP]

"He was shouting 'Britain first' when he was doing it and being arrested." I wonder who he will vote for in the referendum?

 

Good grief, the woman isn't even cold yet and you are trying to use her death to support a remain vote.

 

This is no better than the runt gutter press headline of the Daily Star this morning.

 

I do when I get the opportunity, but I'm not going to name names right here, unless you're insistent.

Just looking at the threads on here for practically every other incident where innocent people have been killed like this there are people seeking to politicise it and generalising based on the ideology of the perpetrator. Yet in this case, there is instead calls to mourn, to remember, to not focus on the political aspect of the attack.

It's a pretty clear double standard.

 

But the facts aren't established here yet, we have 1 (from 3 orignally) eye witnesses saying someone shouted Britain First, if this was politically motivated then we'll deal with that when it comes to it, this isn't Brussels where a known extremist walked into a place shouting "Allah Akbar" and 50 witnesses back it up on the spot, there are also eye witnesses saying he said nothing of the sort but are being ignored.

 

Even the person who the press claim to have tackled the gunman has put this notice up in his shop this morning.

 

 

I almost hope it is true it was BF first, because the thought of the whole mainstream media using this death as a political tool is too horrid to think about it, if they have some people have some serious explaining to do.