The EU referendum - IN / OUT or Shake it all about.

[fuchsntf]

That you Nigel?

But who else...

[johnny the fox]

It may well be that they chose to be at the back.

Frankly, your thinly-veiled racism and bigotry is becoming tiresome. You appear to be incapable of having a civilized and reasoned discussion about this or anything else.

It's interesting that you describe yourself as a 'self-made man' - your parents must be relieved to be absolved of any responsibility.

frankly you are being offensive accusing  me of racism or bigotry with absolutely  NO evidence..  back it up or withdraw it ...   where are the racist posts ? come on show us? ......and do me a favour leave my family out .. if you can't come up with a reasoned reply it says more about you than it does me...

[johnny the fox]

London traders brace for biggest night since 'Black Wednesday'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banking-shares-idUKKCN0Z10K0

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/15/germans-largest-bank-says-massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/

[MPH]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/15/germans-largest-bank-says-massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/

 

 

 

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Germany’s Largest Bank Says Massive UK Growth After Brexit – BBC and Remainers Silent

 

 

 

Germany’s largest bank has predicted British stocks will be the best performing in the continent and top UK firms will outperform EU rivals by as much as 5 per cent after a Brexit.  

The forecast, from Germany’s Deutsche Bank, comes on the same day that the British Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne threatened tax hikes by reaffirming his catastrophic forecast for the economy, based on claims from the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – a Europhile think-tank funded by the EU and the British government.

The IFS claims to be “politically independent”, yet receives 50 per cent of its money from the UK government and 10 per cent from the European Research Council (ERC) – financed by the EU and established by the European Commission.

The BBC, meanwhile, has not yet reported the news from Deutsche Bank. Furthermore, last night BBC News cited the IFS to dismiss claims Brexit would make more money available for public services, and introduced their spokesman as “many economists”.

 

 

[Guest]

The EU imposes tariffs on good from countries outside the EU, we wouldn't have to impose these if we weren't in. Imports of goods and raw materials could be cheaper if we left.

 

But the UK might impose tariffs on those and others. Tariffs are there to protect your own industries.

[sphericalfox]

 

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Britain is part of the continent? Shit I thought Brexit was all about getting away?

[Webbo]

But the UK might impose tariffs on those and others. Tariffs are there to protect your own industries.

Protectionism is always a bad idea.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

And for those that havnt clicked on it...

 

And here's what has been said... (It's not a ringing endorsement for our financial position)

British stocks would be the best-performing equities in Europe should Britain vote for Brexit in 10 days time, according to a note sent to Deutsche Bank clients on Monday morning.

In the note, Deutsche analysts led by Sebastian Raedler argue that while stocks across the continent will fall, British companies will come out relatively unscathed from Brexit vote. That is thanks to the substantial weakening in the pound that seems to be inevitable if Brits do choose to leave the European Union.

That drop in the pound would help support UK exports, and therefore prop-up export-reliant British firms.

The FTSE 100 will drop by around 5%, the bank argues, an outperformance of 5% on the Stoxx 600 broad index of European shares, while Germany's DAX will be the worst hit individual index on the continent, falling as much as 10%, Deutsche argues. That fall leads the bank to put an underweight rating on the DAX, but an overweight on the FTSE.

[Webbo]

And here's what has been said... (It's not a ringing endorsement for our financial position)

British stocks would be the best-performing equities in Europe should Britain vote for Brexit in 10 days time, according to a note sent to Deutsche Bank clients on Monday morning.

In the note, Deutsche analysts led by Sebastian Raedler argue that while stocks across the continent will fall, British companies will come out relatively unscathed from Brexit vote. That is thanks to the substantial weakening in the pound that seems to be inevitable if Brits do choose to leave the European Union.

That drop in the pound would help support UK exports, and therefore prop-up export-reliant British firms.

The FTSE 100 will drop by around 5%, the bank argues, an outperformance of 5% on the Stoxx 600 broad index of European shares, while Germany's DAX will be the worst hit individual index on the continent, falling as much as 10%, Deutsche argues. That fall leads the bank to put an underweight rating on the DAX, but an overweight on the FTSE.

Germany is doing well because the value of the Euro is lower than the currency of Germany should be, pulled down by the weakness of other Eurozone countries. Like all these things there are pluses and minuses.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

Might vote out simply because Bob Geldof is a c**t

[sphericalfox]

So if we pull out of Europe, the rich cnuts will get richer? Schweet.

[Mark_w]

Might vote out simply because Bob Geldof is a c**t

 

Umm Nigel Farage...

[Strokes]

So if we pull out of Europe, the rich cnuts will get richer? Schweet.

And if we don't........everyone gets rich?

[fuchsntf]

Look !!!! lets cut to the chase...

Whether we remain or leave, you can be sure the Uk Parlament will cock up your lives and

futures.They will blame everything on everybody including the referendum and the electorate.

[Rincewind]

I'm beginning to think the old Guy had the right idea.

Maybe they were kept out the way so they would not be crushed by the crowd. Good old Beit would send them to the front then sneaked off to the pub.

[sphericalfox]

And if we don't........everyone gets rich?

We're under a Tory administration. You know that I comes before we don't you?

[The Railway Man]

Bob Geldof on Question Time tomorrow, that could be as bad as Eddie Izzard.

[davieG]

Bob Geldof on Question Time tomorrow, that could be as bad as Eddie Izzard.

I'm  totally not interested in what these self important celebs think.

 

Another one to avoid.

[Alf Bentley]

Bob Geldof on Question Time tomorrow, that could be as bad as Eddie Izzard.

 

 

It's tonight, not tomorrow, isn't it?

 

Geldof certainly has as much ego as Izzard and is capable of producing wild rhetoric, but he's a lot more intelligent and articulate than Izzard, I reckon. The BBC might have to bleep out a few F-words, mind!

 

For once, I disagree with DavieG. "Self-important celebs" can come out with crap at times, but give a different perspective on issues. Politicians and journalists can be just as self-important. Their contributions may be smoother, but they don't necessarily contribute more. Too often they just offer a combination of pre-planned political points, toeing the party line and a load of tedious spin and jargon.

[Webbo]

It's tonight, not tomorrow, isn't it?

 

Geldof certainly has as much ego as Izzard and is capable of producing wild rhetoric, but he's a lot more intelligent and articulate than Izzard, I reckon. The BBC might have to bleep out a few F-words, mind!

 

For once, I disagree with DavieG. "Self-important celebs" can come out with crap at times, but give a different perspective on issues. Politicians and journalists can be just as self-important. Their contributions may be smoother, but they don't necessarily contribute more. Too often they just offer a combination of pre-planned political points, toeing the party line and a load of tedious spin and jargon.

I'm just as self important, self opinionated and I swear as much as well, I've not been invited onto the show.

 

You might as well pull in some random from a pub for all the insight we'll gain.

[Alf Bentley]

I'm just as self important, self opinionated and I swear as much as well, I've not been invited onto the show.

 

You might as well pull in some random from a pub for all the insight we'll gain.

 

 

I'd be all in favour of you appearing as a guest, Webbo. 

Maybe in the run-up to the next General Election, to guarantee a Labour/Green coalition govt. 

 

Geldof might be an annoying, egotistical tosser at times. but his background makes him a much better option than Izzard: extensive involvement in development & with international institutions; successful businessman; Irish perspective etc.

I might be wrong. He might just go off on a rant, but I'd expect a lot more insight from him than from Izzard (not difficult, admittedly). We'll see later!

 

Other guests tonight: Alan Johnson (Lab, Remain), Nicky Morgan (Con, Remain), Tom Harris (ex-Scottish Lab, now Telegraph journalist, Leave), Louise Mensch (Tory, Leave) & Ruth Lea (economist, ex-Institute of Directors, Leave).

 

I don't know Harris (he's replaced that one-eyed turncoat anti-Lab "Labour" journalist that MattP loves, so he should know). Johnson will be articulate, I'm sure. Low expectations for the rest - predictable lines from Morgan & Lea; embarrassing, ill-informed egotism from Mensch, I'd expect.....she'll probably be much worse than Geldof!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I'm just as self important, self opinionated and I swear as much as well, I've not been invited onto the show.

 

You might as well pull in some random from a pub for all the insight we'll gain.

That'll be the studio audience

[GaelicFox]

The best news anyone could hope to see a week out

The leave campaign is in top top form and steaming towards a Brexit

Magnificent

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Need I point out, these polls could be a little misleading - I believe the Ipsos pole today shows the split for confirmed positioned, will vote, voters (i.e. It excudes don't knows which are still a significant amount). Other polls have aggregated some of the don't knows based on other data.

I'm sure there are still many don't knows or people on the margins on each side, that a decisive moment could tip the balance. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a 60/40 result... but wouldn't wish to call which way that would be.

[Webbo]

I'd be all in favour of you appearing as a guest, Webbo. 

Maybe in the run-up to the next General Election, to guarantee a Labour/Green coalition govt. 

 

Geldof might be an annoying, egotistical tosser at times. but his background makes him a much better option than Izzard: extensive involvement in development & with international institutions; successful businessman; Irish perspective etc.

I might be wrong. He might just go off on a rant, but I'd expect a lot more insight from him than from Izzard (not difficult, admittedly). We'll see later!

 

Other guests tonight: Alan Johnson (Lab, Remain), Nicky Morgan (Con, Remain), Tom Harris (ex-Scottish Lab, now Telegraph journalist, Leave), Louise Mensch (Tory, Leave) & Ruth Lea (economist, ex-Institute of Directors, Leave).

 

I don't know Harris (he's replaced that one-eyed turncoat anti-Lab "Labour" journalist that MattP loves, so he should know). Johnson will be articulate, I'm sure. Low expectations for the rest - predictable lines from Morgan & Lea; embarrassing, ill-informed egotism from Mensch, I'd expect.....she'll probably be much worse than Geldof!

That Dan Hodges writes in the MoS now. He's terrible. Not only is there no insight, he's boring as well.