Frank to be Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Having seen the video and assuming the apology is an admittance of saying 'Jap' (I know it might not be) then it does look quite bad. I'm not surprised or disappointed to learn that Vardy is a total bellend as a person but being aggressively racist is the next level. I'm starting to think that there is a real culture of racism inside the club and that'sexceptionally disappointing. The club have got a big call to make now - zero tolerance to racism means exactly that. I wouldn't expect him to get sacked but if he does he could have no complaints and i would personally support that decision. If, of course, he was saying 'jap'. As for the people incapable of understanding the importance of context, that's truly outstanding idiocy, i mean how thick do you have to be
Guest Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 I don't believe anybody anywhere has been offended. This is the problem with the over zealous PC brigade. Common sense has gone out the window. I genuinely think we're going through a sort of dark ages in terms of political correctness where it has gone beyond genuinally stopping offensive behaviour. Even the moral crusaders have difficulty in explaining exactly why something is offensive now. It is a term used in several newspapers without it being used to offend. Using it as a descriptor in itself is not offensive. The idea out somehow is offensive as he was East Asian and not Japanese is not a sufficient excuse for offence. It would be offensive perhaps if the term was used to suggest that somebody from Japan had less worth but it doesn't appear that is the case at all.
digitalalba Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Pole isn't racist though. I really don't understand this argument. Ofcourse there are recognised terms such as "paki" which are recognised and well known for being offensive. That's nothing new. But the likes of Pole, Brit, Aussie, Scot - they are just an abbreviation. How on earth can this be found offensive, unless they are directly being used as the basis of abusing someone. You cant tell me "Jap" is the same as "paki" when newspapers are using it in the headlines. Context and intention. To what logic can one be racist and not another?
stulcfc Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 What about if he was a reserve player, nowhere near the first team? then there's more of a chance but still slim the owners are not really going to throw millions away .
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Isnt jap just an abbreviation of Japanese though? If he said Oi Aussie walk on would we be calling him racist? Yes it is. Personally I have never heard of "Jap" being an offensive term before like we all know "paki" is. The issue I can see here is in the context Vardy used it. If he did actually say jap and not chap, then he has singled out the guys race to be abusive.
reynard Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 It is time someone at the club sorted this out. It really isn't acceptable for someone in his position to behave in this manner. He's not the first of the current or recent squad to behave like an idiot and he probably won't be the last. Personally I think this all ties in to why the owners decided to get rid of Pearson. Not directly but more indirectly. It is hard to have a club with a strong public image when you have a manger telling someone to f*** off and die whether justified or not. Whether players like it or not they are seen as highly paid examples for kids to follow. Of course they should be allowed to go out and enjoy themselves but maybe there needs to be some education around the club about how to behave in public etc. and awareness of potential pitfalls etc. and some firm guidelines set out about this sort of behaviour. It may all sound trivial to some but the players need to remember that potential sponsors out there do not like to be associated with bad news. As our owners try to take us to the next level they really don't need this kind of continued bad press as they try to sell the club to more sponsors and as our backroom staff try to persuade high quality players to join us. The club set a strong precedent with the three young players. it will be interesting to see where they turn now.
Frank to be Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 No ignorance is just common place when it comes to these issues. Nobody has ever handed out a brochure telling people what they can and can't say. If you regularly hear and read the word jap used in situations where it's not derogatory then how would you ever know until it's pointed out. Christ as has been pointed out its in national papers! I literally had no idea that "chinky" was meant to be offensive until I was about 21. I'd only ever heard it used in relation to having a take away food without any malice behind it. It's not unthinkable some dim lad from Sheffield didn't know it was an offensive term and misidentified someone's race. He could have said 'Japanese' and still been racist, it's more about the context than the word. Eg describing someone as black isn't racist, aggressively shouting "walk on black" obviously would be. Context - not that difficult to understand really, folks.
Molly Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Again, it's not the same. If you said to someone Oi P@ki, go home - would you think that was racist? It's a much more accurate comparison. That's putting aside the fact that with all probability Vardy has no idea whether the guy was Japanese and most likely using the term as a proxy for someone of Asian appearance. Doesn't really matter - either way it's completely unacceptable. After all of your facts this sounds a little biased. You have no idea what was in his mind at the time.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yeah. I mean, who reads the Sun, right? As if FT is adding fuel to any fire!
Claridge Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Are you being deliberately obtuse to take the piss now? If you call an Asian person you don't know a Jap it is offensive because you're implying there's no distinction between several races of people, not purely because or the word you used. If you were to be calling Wasyl a Ruski or something it'd be comparable. The language used is largely irrelevant, it's the meaning and intent. If Vardy called Okazaki a Jap it would be pretty rude but it wouldn't have the same outcry as if he shouted it at a random stranger whose ethnicity he doesn't know. For the record, we still don't know if he even said it or what he intended and my bigger concern is with the posters on here who can't seem to actually understand why this is offensive. My big concern is why anyone on earth would be offended by being called a jap.japan is a rich country with a great heritage,how is jap derogatory? Only pinkie commie fags could be offended by that word surely
RedSoxUK Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Having seen the video and assuming the apology is an admittance of saying 'Jap' (I know it might not be) then it does look quite bad. I'm not surprised or disappointed to learn that Vardy is a total bellend as a person but being aggressively racist is the next level. I'm starting to think that there is a real culture of racism inside the club and that'sexceptionally disappointing. The club have got a big call to make now - zero tolerance to racism means exactly that. I wouldn't expect him to get sacked but if he does he could have no complaints and i would personally support that decision. If, of course, he was saying 'jap'. As for the people incapable of understanding the importance of context, that's truly outstanding idiocy, i mean how thick do you have to be **** off.
elangLCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Whether or not the word Jap is actually offensive is almost irrelevant. What's important is Vardy intentionally singled out the guys race as a means to insult him and that's not really acceptable.
RedSoxUK Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yes it is. Personally I have never heard of "Jap" being an offensive term before like we all know "paki" is. The issue I can see here is in the context Vardy used it. If he did actually say jap and not chap, then he has singled out the guys race to be abusive. I've known it to be used as when referring to the Japanese in general. I know some WW2 vets in the states who only ever refer to the Japanese as Japs. and die Thank you.
digitalalba Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 IF Vardy is sacked, do we think they'll be a huge protest from city fans? If so, to who, because it would be the 'thais' that do it based on their business interests (want to look 'good'). Or will people be too scared as they usually are.
ImBlue Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yank - not derogatory Brit - not derogatory Aussie - not derogatory Paki - derogatory Jap - derogatory This country gets its knickers in a twist about anybody with slightly different coloured skin. It's pathetic. The word ISNT offensive, the media have made it offensive.
Molly Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 How do people not realise that: Someone from Japan is Japanese not a Jap. Just like: Someone from Pakistan is Pakistani not a Paki. Someone from China is Chinese not a Chink. Is that hard to understand? I think lots of people thought that Jap was an abbreviation of Japanese without being racist. Chink is obviously not an abbreviation of Chinese - chin would be better. Paki we know CAN be racist because Leicester has grown up with a lot of Pakistanis and Indians etc... To many of us Jap is just the same as Brit. So it would be unintentional which is hard to be said to be racist. He was an asshole though as I think most people agree.
shen Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 IF Vardy is sacked, do we think they'll be a huge protest from city fans? If so, to who, because it would be the 'thais' that do it based on their business interests (want to look 'good'). Or will people be too scared as they usually are. There's no chance in hell that Vardy will get sacked for this. Are you done trolling now?
Frank to be Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 **** off. What's your problem? I support a zero tolerance approach to racism so if he has to be sacked then so be it. I don't care how good he is at football, i dont want racists representing the club. He wont get sacked though, so chill out.
ImBlue Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 IF Vardy is sacked, do we think they'll be a huge protest from city fans? If so, to who, because it would be the 'thais' that do it based on their business interests (want to look 'good'). Or will people be too scared as they usually are. Are you not bored of trolling yet?
RedSoxUK Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yank - not derogatory Brit - not derogatory Aussie - not derogatory Paki - derogatory Jap - derogatory This country gets its knickers in a twist about anybody with slightly different coloured skin. It's pathetic. The word ISNT offensive, the media have made it offensive. No the Japanese have made it offensive if they, a majority but not all - don't like it as a way to refer to them.
digitalalba Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yank - not derogatory Brit - not derogatory Aussie - not derogatory Paki - derogatory Jap - derogatory This country gets its knickers in a twist about anybody with slightly different coloured skin. It's pathetic. The word ISNT offensive, the media have made it offensive. Not just the media, but also some wishey washey city fans, irony.
Simmo86 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Yes it is. Personally I have never heard of "Jap" being an offensive term before like we all know "paki" is. The issue I can see here is in the context Vardy used it. If he did actually say jap and not chap, then he has singled out the guys race to be abusive. Same. The whole subject of what you can and can't call someone from another country is so clouded. The annoying thing is you get idiots on here and in the papers calling him an aggressive racist or accusing him of using a racist slur when the lad probably didn't even know it was an offensive term. Completely different to Hopper calling a hooker a slit eye which he full well knew was an offensive term.
Finnegan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 ****ing hell, he won't be sacked, what is wrong with people?
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