Jamie Vardy

[stulcfc]

If you genuinely think that's the same thing then there is no point arguing with you.

 

But the FACT is, regardless of what it means to you, the word has racial connotations more widely. So regardless if you were offended or whether you can't see a problem with it, some people are offended, the term is offensive, he shouldn't have used it.

 

Jap is a racial slur with racial connotations. Exactly the same as P@ki. Both are abbreviations of the nationality. Neither would be fine to say in that context.

 

It's really disappointing to have to spell this out.

I'm not condoning he was being a asshole just don't really think it's racist ignorant maybe but it's getting blown out of proportion imo

[GingerrrFox]

How do people not realise that:

Someone from Japan is Japanese not a Jap.

Just like:

Someone from Pakistan is Pakistani not a Paki.

Someone from China is Chinese not a Chink.

Is that hard to understand?

[Illusion35]

I just can't agree that 'Jap' and p@ki are equally offensive terms. I have personally heard Jap used as a short version of Japanese in different contexts, jap food, jap cars etc. I have never heard the word p@ki used in this way as it is regarded as an insult and always seen as having negative connotations. This is not necessarily the case for the word Jap.

[GH1]

I'm sure Shane Warne called us all Pomms this week, should I be offended?

[stulcfc]

How do people not realise that:

Someone from Japan is Japanese not a Jap.

Just like:

Someone from Pakistan is Pakistani not a Paki.

Someone from China is Chinese not a Chink.

Is that hard to understand?

So someone from Britain is British and not a Brit ?

[Guest bennytwohats]

People have been calling Bayer Leverkusen krauts in the Aranguiz thread for past month.

Dont see you in that thread calling everybody racist.

Because I've not seen it and I'm not the ****ing internet police. But what exactly is your point? That I'm a hypocrite because I think this is wrong yet I didn't comment on something else that I didn't see? It's of very little relevance here. I don't care what the rest of the people on this forum do because they aren't ambassadors of the club and rolemodels in the public spotlight. Vardy is and so should be made an example of IMO.

 

I will refer you to:

 

It's typical of most of our fan base to jump and defend him, no less than I would expect having seen some of the ignorant, bigoted shit that gets posted on here.

 

[shen]

I'm not condoning he was being a asshole just don't really think it's racist ignorant maybe but it's getting blown out of proportion imo

 

It's getting blown totally out of proportion. Everyone agrees on this?

Yet it is out there, the club have to take action to save face.

To me, it is not the 'racial slur' (bullshit term) that's worse, it's his general bellend behaviour. Obviously, we have no idea how this other person acted, but you just cannot flare up like this in a casino. How easy wouldn't it have been to just brush it off and ignore the 'jap' and get on with it?

[Guest bennytwohats]

So someone from Britain is British and not a Brit ?

Does not have negative racial connotations.

 

Jesus christ, is it that complicated? The term Jap was used in a massively derogatory fashion throughout all of WWII and so the meaning of that word changed, particularly when you are throwing it around and the same time as telling some guy to **** off. The term Brit doesn't have the same connotations and so it is not at all comparable.

[GingerrrFox]

So someone from Britain is British and not a Brit ?

Ever noticed the word Brit is usually used in a derogatory way, "Brits drunk abroad"?

[stulcfc]

Does not have negative racial connotations.

 

Jesus christ, is it that complicated? The term Jap was used in a massively derogatory fashion throughout all of WWII and so the meaning of that word changed, particularly when you are throwing it around and the same time as telling some guy to **** off. The term Brit doesn't have the same connotations and so it is not at all comparable.

we have a bite , my job is done bye bye thread

[Ashley]

So someone from Britain is British and not a Brit ?

Bingo.

[johnny the fox]

I hate the fookin age of PC.. Its wonderful for the thought police though...

[foxes_rule1978]

It's getting blown totally out of proportion. Everyone agrees on this?

Yet it is out there, the club have to take action to save face.

To me, it is not the 'racial slur' (bullshit term) that's worse, it's his general bellend behaviour. Obviously, we have no idea how this other person acted, but you just cannot flare up like this in a casino. How easy wouldn't it have been to just brush it off and ignore the 'jap' and get on with it?

It was said that Vardy believed he was taking a liking to his cards, basically he must have been having a bad day at the table... so he wanted the guy to move out the way, but completely went the wrong way about doing it...

[jammie82uk]

What he said was clearly done in a derogatory way. No different from when John Terry called Anton Ferdinand a black ****. Being described as black in itself is not a bad thing - but in that context it was. It's even less clearcut with 'Jap', which is (whether intended or not) an offensive term with racial undertones. It's inexcusable for an ambassador of our club to go around saying these kind of things.

 

Been a great player for us but personally would rather not have our club associated with this kind of shit. Especially after what has just gone down this summer - how could he be so stupid?! Could not give two shits if they threw the book at Vardy and told him to piss off tbh.

 

It's typical of most of our fan base to jump and defend him, no less than I would expect having seen some of the ignorant, bigoted shit that gets posted on here.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but John terry was cleared in a court of law that he didn't call him that wasn't he

[Guest bennytwohats]

I just can't agree that 'Jap' and p@ki are equally offensive terms. I have personally heard Jap used as a short version of Japanese in different contexts, jap food, jap cars etc. I have never heard the word p@ki used in this way as it is regarded as an insult and always seen as having negative connotations. This is not necessarily the case for the word Jap.

All I'd say is that you have probably not heard it so much because you're not exposed to it in the same way. Leicester has a pretty large popuation from Pakistan and you have probably been exposed to racial tensions and the word P@ki as a result of that. There aren't many Japanese here and I imagine you are around much less social tension with Japanese populations.

 

It's a problem of perception bias - just because you haven't experienced it doesn't make the term itself any less offensive.

 

Either way you're talking shades of grey and an inexcusable position.

[bovril]

I'm sure Shane Warne called us all Pomms this week, should I be offended?

 

Err you don't have to be. Some people might, some not. There are no rules.

 

 

How do people not realise that:

Someone from Japan is Japanese not a Jap.

Just like:

Someone from Pakistan is Pakistani not a Paki.

Someone from China is Chinese not a Chink.

Is that hard to understand?

 

Amazingly I think it is.

 

 

jap is a nationality, black is a race. oi Belgian, walk on, isn't offensive to de laet.

 

So what? If it's used in a derogatory way it's the same. If someone abused me for being British I wouldn't feel any calmer than if they abused me for being white. This is quite a British thing, it seems to be more acceptable in this country to be xenophobic than racist.

 

Basically, as gingerfox said, it's really not that hard to understand. Someone from Japan is not a "Jap". Words are not simply jumbles of letters, they acquire shades of meaning over time.

Ultimately it's just best to be polite and not call someone a 'Jap', 'pikey', whatever. Not being a twat really isn't as difficult as some people think.

[Trav Le Bleu]

But it was chap according to some deaf people on here.

Ablist!

[Larry_LCFC]

How do people not realise that:

Someone from Japan is Japanese not a Jap.

Just like:

Someone from Pakistan is Pakistani not a Paki.

Someone from China is Chinese not a Chink.

Is that hard to understand?

Well we get called Brits and Australians get called Aussies. How is it any different?

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Right chaps, get this.

 

We must not call a Scotsman a Scot.

 

We must not call a Welshman a Taff.

 

We must not call an Irishman a Paddy.

 

Time to rid ourselves of this dreadful racism. Be sure that "Political Correctness" will seek you out, and duly bring you to justice.

 

I remain, a proud Honky!

[weller54]

Has a precedent been set with the sacking of the THAI 3 and Vardy has to follow?...

[stulcfc]

Right chaps, get this.

 

We must not call a Scotsman a Scot.

 

We must not call a Welshman a Taff.

 

We must not call an Irishman a Paddy.

 

Time to rid ourselves of this dreadful racism. Be sure that "Political Correctness" will seek you out, and duly bring you to justice.

 

I remain, a proud Honky!

yo can't say that RACIST

[Babylon]

Because I've not seen it and I'm not the ****ing internet police. But what exactly is your point? That I'm a hypocrite because I think this is wrong yet I didn't comment on something else that I didn't see? It's of very little relevance here. I don't care what the rest of the people on this forum do because they aren't ambassadors of the club and rolemodels in the public spotlight. Vardy is and so should be made an example of IMO.

I will refer you to:

The thing is, it's just not seen as that offensive in this country and day to day is probably very rarely used in an offensive way.

We have national newspapers using it in headlines. Hundred of people calling Okazaki a Jap yesterday because they either didn't know or couldn't pronounce his name. 100's of uses of it on here (use the search feature). Most of which were not meant in derogatory ways and we're just being descriptive.

I'm sure it once was used mainly in derogatory ways because of the war, but over time things take on different meanings and most people just use it as an identifier as something or someone from Japan, without meaning any offence.

On the other hand pac*i would never be in headlines or used for puns by papers and it is still very much used in the main as a derogatory word. So I think it's very harsh to say one is as bad as the other, when they are now used mostly quite differently.

[bovril]

Ah I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the afternoon.....

[Finnegan]

Apparently ignorance really is bliss.

This place is terrifying sometimes. Good lord.

[Larry_LCFC]

That apology is just a bog standard general apology which really could mean anything. An error of judgement could boil down to the fact that he didn't realise "jap" was offensive or racist. Ofcourse it could also mean he knew what the implications were and used it anyway.