Simmo86 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Just to add. Are we now banning the Wasyl song because we call him a Pole and not Polish? Just needs clearing up
bovril Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Just to add. Are we now banning the Wasyl song because we call him a Pole and not Polish? Just needs clearing up Jesus wept I give up.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Again, I think people are missing the point. Footballers are constantly in the limelight. Especially those playing in the top flight. The media LOVE a circus..that's their raison d'être. Anything to get their teeth into. Anything that they can make into some sort of scandal. Live with it. That's the way of the modern, media-driven, social media frenzied world. SO.....with this in mind, players need to be careful. Hell, people need to be careful. There is always somebody that seems to want to find offence with something and to take offence at something when it isn't always there. Or not always meant in a certain way. For Vardy to come across at such a knob and for it to be filmed and publicised, shows he's let his guard down. You can't let your guard down as a top professional footballer because it will, in some way, affect yourself and the club you represent. And AGAIN...its centred around a Leicester City player and AGAIN, it's centred around racist comments. I think the media are probably looking out for us and our players at the moment. And they need to keep their heads down, get on with their football and not allow anything of this nature to cloud what the club is trying to achieve. There has been too much of this nonsense around City and our players recently. It needs to stop.
ScouseFox Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Jesus wept I give up. haha chill out bov (am I allowed to call you bov?)
elangLCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The word Jap isn't so much racist in itself but it's the way he used it. The way I see it, if I met a homosexual man and referred to him as gay that wouldn't be an issue. However, if I was verbally attacking him and said 'walk on you gay' that would be homophobic. All about the tone and the intention of how it's used.
stulcfc Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Maybe he wasn't even referring to his appearance, he may have meant this ......
bovril Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 haha chill out bov (am I allowed to call you bov?) sure thing babes
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Just to add. Are we now banning the Wasyl song because we call him a Pole and not Polish? Just needs clearing up Pole isn't racist though. I really don't understand this argument. Ofcourse there are recognised terms such as "paki" which are recognised and well known for being offensive. That's nothing new. But the likes of Pole, Brit, Aussie, Scot - they are just an abbreviation. How on earth can this be found offensive, unless they are directly being used as the basis of abusing someone. You cant tell me "Jap" is the same as "paki" when newspapers are using it in the headlines. Context and intention.
bovril Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The word Jap isn't so much racist in itself but it's the way he used it. The way I see it, if I met a homosexual man and referred to him as gay that wouldn't be an issue. However, if I was verbally attacking him and said 'walk on you gay' that would be homophobic. All about the tone and the intention of how it's used. The sound of loose change hitting the floor....
hornyhollthefox123 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Again, I think people are missing the point. Footballers are constantly in the limelight. Especially those playing in the top flight. The media LOVE a circus..that's their raison d'être. Anything to get their teeth into. Anything that they can make into some sort of scandal. Live with it. That's the way of the modern, media-driven, social media frenzied world. SO.....with this in mind, players need to be careful. Hell, people need to be careful. There is always somebody that seems to want to find offence with something and to take offence at something when it isn't always there. Or not always meant in a certain way. For Vardy to come across at such a knob and for it to be filmed and publicised, shows he's let his guard down. You can't let your guard down as a top professional footballer because it will, in some way, affect yourself and the club you represent. And AGAIN...its centred around a Leicester City player and AGAIN, it's centred around racist comments. I think the media are probably looking out for us and our players at the moment. And they need to keep their heads down, get on with their football and not allow anything of this nature to cloud what the club is trying to achieve. There has been too much of this nonsense around City and our players recently. It needs to stop. Absolutely this.
JPM1983 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The word Jap isn't so much racist in itself but it's the way he used it. The way I see it, if I met a homosexual man and referred to him as gay that wouldn't be an issue. However, if I was verbally attacking him and said 'walk on you gay' that would be homophobic. All about the tone and the intention of how it's used. Spot on. Like anything in life intent, context and tone is important - not just the word(s) taken in isolation.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The thing is, it's just not seen as that offensive in this country and day to day is probably very rarely used in an offensive way. We have national newspapers using it in headlines. Hundred of people calling Okazaki a Jap yesterday because they either didn't know or couldn't pronounce his name. 100's of uses of it on here (use the search feature). Most of which were not meant in derogatory ways and we're just being descriptive. I'm sure it once was used mainly in derogatory ways because of the war, but over time things take on different meanings and most people just use it as an identifier as something or someone from Japan, without meaning any offence. On the other hand pac*i would never be in headlines or used for puns by papers and it is still very much used in the main as a derogatory word. So I think it's very harsh to say one is as bad as the other, when they are now used mostly quite differently. Some of the national newspapers in this country are abhorrent and so can't be used as any kind of moral compass - particularly where spouting xenophobic nonsense is concerned. The term might be used in a way intended to not have negative connotations but the fact is that the term is offensive to many Japanese and non-Japanese people. You might not mean to offend while using the word but that would still be ignorant. The same way someone might call someone a p@ki while not meaning to cause offence - that wouldn't make it any less offensive to the recipient. Whatever you think of the word, the video shows quite clearly that Vardy was being aggressive towards the guy and his language was not meant in any kind of non-derogatory way. He goes on to have to be pulled back by his mates!
Matt Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Pole isn't racist though. I really don't understand this argument. Ofcourse there are recognised terms such as "paki" which are recognised and well known for being offensive. That's nothing new. But the likes of Pole, Brit, Aussie, Scot - they are just an abbreviation. How on earth can this be found offensive, unless they are directly being used as the basis of abusing someone. You cant tell me "Jap" is the same as "paki" when newspapers are using it in the headlines. Context and intention. Anything can be offensive to some people nowadays, NOTHING surprises me. Tbh I find people being offended offensive.
Finnegan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Just to add. Are we now banning the Wasyl song because we call him a Pole and not Polish? Just needs clearing up Are you being deliberately obtuse to take the piss now? If you call an Asian person you don't know a Jap it is offensive because you're implying there's no distinction between several races of people, not purely because or the word you used. If you were to be calling Wasyl a Ruski or something it'd be comparable. The language used is largely irrelevant, it's the meaning and intent. If Vardy called Okazaki a Jap it would be pretty rude but it wouldn't have the same outcry as if he shouted it at a random stranger whose ethnicity he doesn't know. For the record, we still don't know if he even said it or what he intended and my bigger concern is with the posters on here who can't seem to actually understand why this is offensive.
stulcfc Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Maybe he wasn't even referring to his appearance, he may have meant this ...... definitely meant it in this way close thread
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Tbh, we are probably adding flames to the fire with this thread as it is going round in circles. Most people wouldn't have even heard about this until reading FT.
Finnegan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Any one else think he may be sacked? Not even the slimmest chance. It'll be forgotten in a week.
Babylon Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Apparently ignorance really is bliss.No ignorance is just common place when it comes to these issues. Nobody has ever handed out a brochure telling people what they can and can't say.If you regularly hear and read the word jap used in situations where it's not derogatory then how would you ever know until it's pointed out. Christ as has been pointed out its in national papers! I literally had no idea that "chinky" was meant to be offensive until I was about 21. I'd only ever heard it used in relation to having a take away food without any malice behind it. It's not unthinkable some dim lad from Sheffield didn't know it was an offensive term and misidentified someone's race.
Finnegan Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Tbh, we are probably adding flames to the fire with this thread as it is going round in circles. Most people wouldn't have even heard about this until reading FT. Yeah. I mean, who reads the Sun, right?
Captain... Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Does not have negative racial connotations. Jesus christ, is it that complicated? The term Jap was used in a massively derogatory fashion throughout all of WWII and so the meaning of that word changed, particularly when you are throwing it around and the same time as telling some guy to **** off. The term Brit doesn't have the same connotations and so it is not at all comparable. You know WW2 finished right? Just because a word was once used to describe the people of a nation we were at war with doesn't mean it is racist. This is not the same as the terms used in the subjugation of black and Asian people as part of our colonial past. It is clear there is some debate as to whether or not jap is offensive, so it is forgivable for someone to use it without knowing or meaning it solely as descriptive I think we need to wait for a full apology/statement. This is not comparable to the racist orgy, or to Terry calling someone a black cvnt, there is no doubt in that. Suarez was a different matter for me as there are some cultural and language differences that I think made it more understandable/forgivable.
Simmo86 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Pole isn't racist though. I really don't understand this argument. Ofcourse there are recognised terms such as "paki" which are recognised and well known for being offensive. That's nothing new. But the likes of Pole, Brit, Aussie, Scot - they are just an abbreviation. How on earth can this be found offensive, unless they are directly being used as the basis of abusing someone. You cant tell me "Jap" is the same as "paki" when newspapers are using it in the headlines. Context and intention. Isnt jap just an abbreviation of Japanese though? If he said Oi Aussie walk on would we be calling him racist?
BoneDog Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 would you feel it was racist if in an Asian country a man said to you "walk on German" Would be a compliment because Germans are the kings of white.
katieakita Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Best refer to my cats as American long hairs in the future to risk not upsetting people.
JPM1983 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Not even the slimmest chance. It'll be forgotten in a week. What about if he was a reserve player, nowhere near the first team?
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