Guest Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 2 hours ago, leicsmac said: Well, it's convention season so it's going to get a bit silly. Perhaps when it's done it'll die down a little; at least until the debates. Can't much disagree with your sentiments about both candidates, though there are degrees of poorness. It's a shame, however, that it's come to that. True not sure why the news outlets have to repeat them every day though.
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 7 hours ago, leicsmac said: So apparently it's highly likely that the Russians were responsible for the DNC computer hack (lots of Dem emails got stolen and exposed), and Trump, from what has been reported, was totally OK with the idea. Which sounds an awful lot like encouraging cyber-espionage by a foreign power on the soil of your home country. Of course Trump then came out and said such views were him only joking, but I think it's reasonable to say that Russia would prefer the idea of a Trump presidency than a Clinton one given that he and Putin seem to get along...so the narrative holds some weight. I have no doubt he is, I would in his position, it's dirty but if Russia can expose the truth about Clinton then why not? His opponents needs to make up their mind though, one minute they are saying a Trump presidency means we'll be at war with Russia and he'll have his finger on the button and then when it suits them on other occasions they are saying he'll be his best friend.
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 6 minutes ago, MattP said: I have no doubt he is, I would in his position, it's dirty but if Russia can expose the truth about Clinton then why not? His opponents needs to make up their mind though, one minute they are saying a Trump presidency means we'll be at war with Russia and he'll have his finger on the button and then when it suits them on other occasions they are saying he'll be his best friend. You'd be ok with the idea of a foreign power hacking your countrys classified networks as long as it was only your political opponents they were exposing? Mind you, it is an interesting flip-flop. Either he's a warmongering nutter, or he's actually encouraging foreign attacks on US networks which is practically treasonous. Pick one thing he's going to be bad for and stick with it please, Dems.
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 40 minutes ago, leicsmac said: You'd be ok with the idea of a foreign power hacking your countrys classified networks as long as it was only your political opponents they were exposing? Mind you, it is an interesting flip-flop. Either he's a warmongering nutter, or he's actually encouraging foreign attacks on US networks which is practically treasonous. Pick one thing he's going to be bad for and stick with it please, Dems. No I said I'd do it in his position, not be happy with it. Why wouldn't you?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 It's not like we need more emails from her to realise what a disgusting person she actually is
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 16 minutes ago, MattP said: No I said I'd do it in his position, not be happy with it. Why wouldn't you? Because I'd value the integrity of my nations varying computer infrastructure over my own personal ambition? Actually, that's why I'd make a terrible politician come to think of it. 11 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: It's not like we need more emails from her to realise what a disgusting person she actually is Yep, and if you can get the Ruskies on board to help you swing the election of a sovereign state, so much the better, right? NB. I know you didn't actually say that and it's a bit of a strawman. But I'm thinking perhaps some ire towards the man who uses cyber-espionage by another great power to his own personal advantage in the electoral process, as well as towards the corrupt corporate shill Hillary no doubt is?
Smudge Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 14 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Because I'd value the integrity of my nations varying computer infrastructure over my own personal ambition? Actually, that's why I'd make a terrible politician come to think of it. Yep, and if you can get the Ruskies on board to help you swing the election of a sovereign state, so much the better, right? NB. I know you didn't actually say that and it's a bit of a strawman. But I'm thinking perhaps some ire towards the man who uses cyber-espionage by another great power to his own personal advantage in the electoral process, as well as towards the corrupt corporate shill Hillary no doubt is? If you don't take corporate donations you won't get elected. Seems a waste of time trying unless you're on an ego trip. I get the idea of politicians being bought as morally abhorent but until Congress rules on limiting corporate funding, you have to play the game. The alternative, such as with the Sanders campaign is morally notable but his only success is getting a few ideas of his into the package. Furthermore, he didn't make VP and in reality I doubt he'll be in the cabinet unless she has already promised him a job. Which, if you think about it, is a bribe offered and taken or asked for and given.
Webbo Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 Encouraging another country to hack secret emails is disgraceful behaviour, even though it'll make no difference to the Russians, they'll do it anyway if they can.
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 3 minutes ago, Smudge said: If you don't take corporate donations you won't get elected. Seems a waste of time trying unless you're on an ego trip. I get the idea of politicians being bought as morally abhorent but until Congress rules on limiting corporate funding, you have to play the game. The alternative, such as with the Sanders campaign is morally notable but his only success is getting a few ideas of his into the package. Furthermore, he didn't make VP and in reality I doubt he'll be in the cabinet unless she has already promised him a job. Which, if you think about it, is a bribe offered and taken or asked for and given.
Smudge Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 30 minutes ago, MattP said: Oddly enough, I read Alf's account of JC's reasons for failure after I posted that.
Dr The Singh Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 2 hours ago, Webbo said: Encouraging another country to hack secret emails is disgraceful behaviour, even though it'll make no difference to the Russians, they'll do it anyway if they can. Nations pay other nations to justify genocide or help cover up and deal with the aftermath, Britian has a history of doing so, so do many nations, £££££££££££££££ is all that matters!!!
leicsmac Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 Decent speech from Hillary - not one of the greats, but good enough. Highlighted areas of policy but no real surprises Some next-level baiting in there too - "A man you can bait with a Tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons." And of course Trump took to Twitter later on.
Guest MattP Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 On 7/29/2016 at 05:16, leicsmac said: Decent speech from Hillary - not one of the greats, but good enough. Highlighted areas of policy but no real surprises Some next-level baiting in there too - "A man you can bait with a Tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons." And of course Trump took to Twitter later on. It was ok, she doesn't really have anything special about her at all, she's very very annoying as well, I couldn't listen to her for long. The bit about Trump not being able to handle the campaign was a bit silly though, he has taken on the Republican establishment and won, Clinton had to cheat to see off a communist in his 70's.
leicsmac Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 2 minutes ago, MattP said: It was ok, she doesn't really have anything special about her at all, she's very very annoying as well, I couldn't listen to her for long. The bit about Trump not being able to handle the campaign was a bit silly though, he has taken on the Republican establishment and won, Clinton had to cheat to see off a communist in his 70's. Not entirely sure you could call Bernie a communist but the cheating part certainly stands. Regarding Trump, he may have beaten the Repub establishment but he certainly seems anxious to court controversy and respond harshly to keep himself in the spotlight with the media. Probably because he knows how important public perception and publicity in general has to be for him. Nate Silver showing a massive spike in favour of Hillary post-conventions this week - but then there's a long way to go and I don't trust his pollgathering anyway.
Guest MattP Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Just now, leicsmac said: Not entirely sure you could call Bernie a communist but the cheating part certainly stands. Regarding Trump, he may have beaten the Repub establishment but he certainly seems anxious to court controversy and respond harshly to keep himself in the spotlight with the media. Probably because he knows how important public perception and publicity in general has to be for him. Nate Silver showing a massive spike in favour of Hillary post-conventions this week - but then there's a long way to go and I don't trust his pollgathering anyway. I think Trump's comments and behaviour over the last few days will have cost him dearly, he might even be going Corbyn and starting to actually realise where he is and not want to win. It's the worst election ever though, you've got a choice between a politically inexperienced bigot and an annoying woman who embodies everything that is wrong with politics, I'd be voting Gary Johnson like a shot if I was living there.
Livid Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Much as he disgusts me I think Trump will win it. I read Michael Moore's analysis of why he thought he would win the other day and much like the Brexit vote here it makes sense. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html
purpleronnie Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 People still think Trump will win? Never a chance.
Livid Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 6 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: People still think Trump will win? Never a chance. I thought the same about the Leave campaign. There's a lot of angry people out there and they are the one's who come out to vote. Trump probably has the south wrapped up, he picks up the four rust belt states which the Obama administration hasn't exactly done any favours for and he's home.
leicsmac Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 13 minutes ago, Livid said: I thought the same about the Leave campaign. There's a lot of angry people out there and they are the one's who come out to vote. Trump probably has the south wrapped up, he picks up the four rust belt states which the Obama administration hasn't exactly done any favours for and he's home. Take a look at the maps. All Hillary needs is Florida or Pennsylvania or Ohio+1, and current polling suggests she'll get all three. I can certainly understand your line of thinking given what's happened in the recent past, but Hillary really doesn't have to do that much here and I'll think she'll do enough.
leicsmac Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 1 hour ago, MattP said: I think Trump's comments and behaviour over the last few days will have cost him dearly, he might even be going Corbyn and starting to actually realise where he is and not want to win. It's the worst election ever though, you've got a choice between a politically inexperienced bigot and an annoying woman who embodies everything that is wrong with politics, I'd be voting Gary Johnson like a shot if I was living there. I remember last time my poll preference being Johnson, wonder when the quizzes start this time if it'll be the same.
purpleronnie Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 33 minutes ago, Livid said: I thought the same about the Leave campaign. There's a lot of angry people out there and they are the one's who come out to vote. Trump probably has the south wrapped up, he picks up the four rust belt states which the Obama administration hasn't exactly done any favours for and he's home. Really? Just like our referendum I felt the remain had to have a large lead going into polling day, I feel the same for the US election if Trump isn't 6-7 points clear then he hasn't got a chance. He's peaked in popularity I feel, I can't see him winning, never have done TBH. I'll gladly take a bet on it..
purpleronnie Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 49 minutes ago, Livid said: Much as he disgusts me I think Trump will win it. I read Michael Moore's analysis of why he thought he would win the other day and much like the Brexit vote here it makes sense. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html You really shouldn't listen to Micheal moore. Although his description of him is correct.
Smudge Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 hours ago, MattP said: It was ok, she doesn't really have anything special about her at all, she's very very annoying as well, I couldn't listen to her for long. The bit about Trump not being able to handle the campaign was a bit silly though, he has taken on the Republican establishment and won, Clinton had to cheat to see off a communist in his 70's. I didn't, 10 minutes and I said to my missus, I'm off to bed, I can't stand her voice any longer. So loud, monotone and strident, Seems like she's trying to break the glass ceiling sonically?
MPH Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 On 7/20/2016 at 14:25, Webbo said: They're both unelectable aren't they? Might as well flip a coin. So far, i cant help but think the Democrats are holding back on some of their 'ammo' they have on Trump and who can blame them? he's doing their job for them and making himself look like an absolute fool. But give it a couple of months around the time of their 121 debates and he'll be thrown to the wolves. And as Animal farm would say, Both candidates are un-electable but one candidate is more un-electable than the other....
Guest MattP Posted 3 August 2016 Posted 3 August 2016 Lots of time to go yet, the debates will have far more impact on the polls and public than the conventions do. I remember the debates between Matt Romney and Barack Obama myself. The bookmakers have it about right at the minute with Clinton at 2/5 ish.
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