leicsmac Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 Being pro-life is something I can (sort of) understand - even though the position is logically hypocritical given that we don't force one human to maintain the life of another in any other circumstance. What really gets me about swathes of the Republican base - enough of them for it to manifest itself in their proposed policy - is the far more dangerous belief in the creation by a divine entity, and by extension the belief in human superiority (and in the superiority of certain demographics of it) which make them honestly believe they can do what they want to others and to the Earth and there won't be any consequences for it in the future.
Mike Oxlong Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 US politics has featured Bush, more Bush and now Trump. Put your money on Hugh Janus being nominated next time round.
Jimothy Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said: US politics has featured Bush, more Bush and now Trump. Put your money on Hugh Janus being nominated next time round. Samantha's dad?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 Trump's surely winning this now, Hilary is unelectable
Webbo Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 37 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Trump's surely winning this now, Hilary is unelectable They're both unelectable aren't they? Might as well flip a coin.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 54 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Trump's surely winning this now,
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Trump's surely winning this now, Hilary is unelectable Two hopeless candidates, one riddled with racism who shouldn't be near politics, the other riddled with corruption who shouldn't be near politics. Flip a coin.
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 6 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Trump's surely winning this now, Hilary is unelectable You see, I'd put that the other way round, but I can certainly see the argument that neither of them are fit for office. In any case, you're not just electing Trump or Hillary - you're electing the people behind them too. Pence et al scare the hell out of me. True creationist, woman-barefoot-and-pregnant, gay-hating, fossil-fuel loving social conservatives - Pence himself in particular. Can't imagine any of them having the power granted by a Trump presidency to be a good thing. The very manifestation of the voters I mentioned in the post above.
Harry - LCFC Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Oh I did enjoy the ending of that speech from Ted Cruz. Clearly not the message the attendees demanded to hear from him. "....vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution" He looked like he was loving the boos from the Trumpians as he walked off too. That's the best thing I've seen in this shitheap of an election.
foxy boxing Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 so funny trumps wife copying michelle obamas speech and then the speech writer gets blamed.she looks really uncomfortable in front of a microphone but i guess that is what you get when you marry a trophy wife?
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 8 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said: Oh I did enjoy the ending of that speech from Ted Cruz. Clearly not the message the attendees demanded to hear from him. "....vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution" He looked like he was loving the boos from the Trumpians as he walked off too. That's the best thing I've seen in this shitheap of an election. Yup, thanks Ted. You may be a Bible-Thumping nutcase, but you've got stones. Speaking of which... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/07/20/third-eye-blind-explains-why-they-trolled-republicans-at-that-cleveland-concert/ "Who here believes in science?!"
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 The speech from Ted Cruz was tremendous, if it wasn't for his extreme religious beliefs he would have made a great president. He would been a fantastic friend to Britain as well, the total opposite to the long legged mack daddy.
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 2 minutes ago, MattP said: The speech from Ted Cruz was tremendous, if it wasn't for his extreme religious beliefs he would have made a great president. He would been a fantastic friend to Britain as well, the total opposite to the long legged mack daddy. Considering that aspect of his life permeates through to pretty much every action he takes and almost every piece of social policy he championed and champions, that's a pretty big 'if'. TBH I'm a bit surprised that he was as vehement as he was, he's got as much a fundy as him in Pence running as Trumps VP so if the Repubs win some of the....um, interesting social policies he put forward might be on the table anyway. Guess it could be because he's sore that he lost and Trump hasn't even thrown him any kind of cabinet-related bone.
Finnegan Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Trump all but declaring the US an unreliable ally. What a ****ing Muppet. Dislike Clinton strongly but don't see her doing a great deal of damage to the world. Trump would be a disaster.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Clinton's very dangerous, havent you read her emails? I never even thought of the fact that Trump would be the first atheist president.
Dr The Singh Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Clinton's very dangerous, havent you read her emails? I never even thought of the fact that Trump would be the first atheist president. I send her emails all the time
Harry - LCFC Posted 21 July 2016 Posted 21 July 2016 Mildly entertaining spoof taking aim at the calamity in the Republican party I don't expect these 'anti-politics' candidates to literally kill of their parties but I am expecting things to look somewhat different when this is over.
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 7 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Clinton's very dangerous, havent you read her emails? I never even thought of the fact that Trump would be the first atheist president. And the people directly behind Trump aren't? Being atheist isn't going to mean jack or shit, let alone jackshit, if he wins. I fear you're missing the point regarding the policies of each party rather than each person. They are important.
Thracian Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 22 hours ago, Finnegan said: Trump all but declaring the US an unreliable ally. What a ****ing Muppet. Dislike Clinton strongly but don't see her doing a great deal of damage to the world. Trump would be a disaster. Nonsense. More like Trump realising how immediate some of the dangers are out there and suggesting that we ought to take our own defence more responsibly and not simply expect the power of the US to guarantee safety. Also his making sure the US is not drawn into a calamitous action in defending a country or regime that shouldn't necessarily be defended if it acts recklessly or irresponsibly. And, for all your vitreous criticism, there seems to be a lot of voters and a lot of commentators who believe that Trump will end up as President. Some make a compelling argument but, as MattP's suggested, there's plenty of time for a moodswing yet. http://www.profitconfidential.com/politics/trump-2016-this-is-why-donald-trump-will-win-the-presidency/
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 10 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said: Mildly entertaining spoof taking aim at the calamity in the Republican party I don't expect these 'anti-politics' candidates to literally kill of their parties but I am expecting things to look somewhat different when this is over. I don't know why people are talking about these parties being killed off, the democrats and republicans are neck and neck in the poll of polls at the minute, Trump has a 1pt lead over Hillary. Talking about either party vanishing when they command that much support is a bit daft, The Tories or Labour would kill to be polling consistently 40% across the nation.
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 25 minutes ago, Thracian said: Nonsense. More like Trump realising how immediate some of the dangers are out there and suggesting that we ought to take our own defence more responsibly and not simply expect the power of the US to guarantee safety. Also his making sure the US is not drawn into a calamitous action in defending a country or regime that shouldn't necessarily be defended if it acts recklessly or irresponsibly. Purely out of interest Thrac, as you seem to enjoy discussing the favourability of this one aspect of Trumps platform, are there any other areas that you believe he and the people behind him are right on?
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 39 minutes ago, MattP said: I don't know why people are talking about these parties being killed off, the democrats and republicans are neck and neck in the poll of polls at the minute, Trump has a 1pt lead over Hillary. Talking about either party vanishing when they command that much support is a bit daft, The Tories or Labour would kill to be polling consistently 40% across the nation. Trump is ahead 1% in one poll only. RCP poll average for the day puts Clinton 2.7 points up, which is still pretty damn close. Might do an update of my master state post from a while back with updated poll figures later if I have time and people are interested.
Thracian Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 On 6/8/2016 at 09:59, Swan Lesta said: I'm just a bit concerned that Trump in the chair will make Bush look like Barbie. Trump's basically doing a marketing job. How he'd turn out in office I can't guess but I suspect he well recognises that the grand statements he comes out with would be much watered down should push come to shove. That said he does seem to have an instinct for success. The concern is whether he'd let that instinct go to his head given the power of presidency - in much the same way as Erdogan in Turkey concerns me big time - or whether he'd actually surprise people with his ability to see a problem and tackle it acceptably yet effectively. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html
purpleronnie Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 I think trump will need a clear lead going into voting day if he was to win, I though the remain needed a comfortable lead to win but they didn't. I simply can't see the American public voting Trump as their President.
Jattdogg Posted 22 July 2016 Posted 22 July 2016 Imagine being known as the candidate that lost a presidency to trump. Yikes
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