Great Boos Up Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 Young attractive fit men scoring a goal then ripping their shirt off and grinding a corner flag. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of gay men watched football. Wasn't their a gay supported thread awhile back. In general public etiquette it's the same as if you are interested in cheese, trains, ice hockey or men. I don't know you and I'm not interested.
Xen Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 Never been to Brighton for a game I never ever heard a single homophobic comment And is that above homophobic ? Crass or stupid but homophobic ? Surely to be homophobic the person or people being subjected to that chant have to be gay ? You can call me the N word all day long but because I'm not black it isn't racist The point is that chants are, generally, intended to deride the opposition players and/or insult them. Chanting that in particular its very clear the implication is that being gay is something to be ashamed of, and that calling someone gay is - in that sense - an insult. It's not homophobic against one particular person, but it's language that quite clearly suggests that gay people as a collective are something to be looked down upon. Personally, language like that does irk me and I am offended to a degree, and obviously I would rather those sort of things were not said at all, however, I'm not one of those people who seeks offense in everything, and I can see the funny side of it in the tamer situations like the Brighton chant. Its possible to be offended by something that isn't directly aimed at yourself, and that's the key point.
GaelicFox Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 But the terminology is racist. Just like the terminology of the first phrase she used would still be homophobic, whether you are gay or not... boyfriend is equivalent to the N word ? I don't know weather to laugh or cry
GaelicFox Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 The point is that chants are, generally, intended to deride the opposition players and/or insult them. Chanting that in particular its very clear the implication is that being gay is something to be ashamed of, and that calling someone gay is - in that sense - an insult. It's not homophobic against one particular person, but it's language that quite clearly suggests that gay people as a collective are something to be looked down upon. Personally, language like that does irk me and I am offended to a degree, and obviously I would rather those sort of things were not said at all, however, I'm not one of those people who seeks offense in everything, and I can see the funny side of it in the tamer situations like the Brighton chant. Its possible to be offended by something that isn't directly aimed at yourself, and that's the key point. I know why the chant is done ,it's wrong and distasteful but it's not homophobic but that's just my point , if you are offended then I would respect that and agree with you it's wrong and as such possibly homophobic because your a gay man I hate it when they sing about the IRA I find it unnessicary these days considering that organisation officially doesn't exhist anymore and I fear it's an anti Irish thing Anyway I take your point , if it upsets you then its homophobic
Unabomber Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 Has anyone ever heard homophobic chanting at a match or comments ? I never ever have , and I'm 29 years going to football Thought you were 65+
MPH Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 boyfriend is equivalent to the N word ? I don't know weather to laugh or cry Do i really have to explain the difference between one word and terminology to you? Good grief...
GaelicFox Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 Do i really have to explain the difference between one word and terminology to you? Good grief... No point I'm still laughing ..... Joking aside On reflection your point is correct
Rincewind Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 If there was a chant of 'Does your boyfriend know you're here' I would take it to be aimed at the females in the ground. If I was gay I would respond 'no' Just play along. It stops them.
Xen Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 If there was a chant of 'Does your boyfriend know you're here' I would take it to be aimed at the females in the ground. If I was gay I would respond 'no' Just play along. It stops them. The point is that it's only chanted at Brighton, which is - for want of a better term - commonly known as the 'gay capital of the UK'. The chant is most certainly not aimed at the females in the ground...
SystonFox Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 So Xen, do you not see the funny side of that chant? Am I in humane for finding it funny? It's the gay capital of the U.K. It's bound to be sung. Just like Liverpool is the dirty robbing pikey bastard capital of the U.K. So people sing "sign on sign on" etc at them. It's all subjective. I'm not homophobic. Or racist
Guest MattP Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 I'm with the above. I'm certainly not PC, I don't see a "does your boyfriend know your here" as homophobic, it's a tad crude yes, but certainly not worthy as diagnosing anyone who sings it with a mental illness ie a phobia. I have also sung songs about thieving Scousers. I'm not a bigot.
SystonFox Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 I'm with the above. I'm certainly not PC, I don't see a "does your boyfriend know your here" as homophobic, it's a tad crude yes, but certainly not worthy as diagnosing anyone who sings it with a mental illness ie a phobia. I have also sung songs about thieving Scousers. I'm not a bigot. As much as I hate the word "bantah" that is literally all it is. Give someone an easy opportunity to ridicule someone and that's it. Done forever. Brighton will always suffer the gay thing. Who knows if they have any gay fans in the stands, nobody even cares. It's just a chant. Liverpool will always have the scumbag vibe going for it and unfortunately Bristol City will always chant "town full of pakees" at us. And probably Leeds too
The Doctor Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 I think the press and people's views would all come to a head if a professional footballer was caught cheating on his wife with a fella. Would he become a figure of hate and target for abuse, like Terry and Giggs were, or would he get some sympathy and support for the nature of his indiscretion? Would that matter on the terraces? It's one thing coming out, it's another being found out. The other aspect is transgender, would a woman that was born a man be allowed to compete with women? Would she be allowed to compete with men? Already happened - the American Samoa team for WC2014 qualifying featured a MtF transgender person: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/29/jaiyah-saelua-transgender-footballer-interview
Xen Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 So Xen, do you not see the funny side of that chant? Am I in humane for finding it funny? It's the gay capital of the U.K. It's bound to be sung. Just like Liverpool is the dirty robbing pikey bastard capital of the U.K. So people sing "sign on sign on" etc at them. It's all subjective. I'm not homophobic. Or racist I literally said explicitly that I can see the funny side of it... It's a little homophobic if you read into it, but on the face of it it's mostly harmless and not worthy of kicking up a fuss. Heck, id probably join in with the chant if I was there...
Xen Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 I'm with the above. I'm certainly not PC, I don't see a "does your boyfriend know your here" as homophobic, it's a tad crude yes, but certainly not worthy as diagnosing anyone who sings it with a mental illness ie a phobia. I have also sung songs about thieving Scousers. I'm not a bigot. The terminology for it is frustratingly misleading, but homophobia is an attitude, not (just) an illness. Noone is diagnosing anyone as mentally ill because of the viewpoints they hold.
leftbackinthechangingroom Posted 4 March 2016 Posted 4 March 2016 The only thing that should matter for a footballer is can he get the job done on the pitch. Like I always say if you're nice to me I'm nice to you doesn't matter gender, race, sexuality or any other thing people get judged on.
MPH Posted 5 March 2016 Posted 5 March 2016 Let's be honest fellas, why are a bunch of heterosexuals trying to determine what a homosexual finds offensive? We're not gay so we're not going to understand?
Nick Posted 5 March 2016 Posted 5 March 2016 Let's be honest fellas, why are a bunch of heterosexuals trying to determine what a homosexual finds offensive? We're not gay so we're not going to understand? Hmm
MC Prussian Posted 5 March 2016 Posted 5 March 2016 There has always been homosexuality, in times past more suppressed (or not, certain cultures had a more liberal understanding of it, like Ancient Greece or Rome and there are indicators that point to similar social acceptable behaviour in Ancient Egypt) than today. The rise of Christianity and Puritanism plays a huge part in the suppression of same-sex relationships. So, from a historical point of view, I can't see why we ought to be bothered or offended by LGBT people or even go as far as trying to make negative headlines with them, as we're only acting on behalf of a value system that was instilled into our beliefs a few hundred of years ago, when homosexuality in itself is way older than that. Our immediate ancestors have sadly been raised in a culture of fear and oppression and that has been carried over to the following generations: Do we really need or want to go back to medieval times? Maybe we should take a step outside the given circle, see the development of tolerance in the past 1'000 to 1'5000 years or so, then look at what it meant in Ancient times and take it from there.
GaelicFox Posted 5 March 2016 Posted 5 March 2016 There has always been homosexuality, in times past more suppressed (or not, certain cultures had a more liberal understanding of it, like Ancient Greece or Rome and there are indicators that point to similar social acceptable behaviour in Ancient Egypt) than today. The rise of Christianity and Puritanism plays a huge part in the suppression of same-sex relationships. So, from a historical point of view, I can't see why we ought to be bothered or offended by LGBT people or even go as far as trying to make negative headlines with them, as we're only acting on behalf of a value system that was instilled into our beliefs a few hundred of years ago, when homosexuality in itself is way older than that. Our immediate ancestors have sadly been raised in a culture of fear and oppression and that has been carried over to the following generations: Do we really need or want to go back to medieval times? Maybe we should take a step outside the given circle, see the development of tolerance in the past 1'000 to 1'5000 years or so, then look at what it meant in Ancient times and take it from there. They also fed humans to lions for fun ....
ozleicester Posted 5 March 2016 Posted 5 March 2016 Not read the topic, but this time last year was having a fantastic time at the Sydney Gay and Lesbian MardI Gras. 2016 can be seen here .. enjoy http://www.sbs.com.au/movies/video/18291779636/Mardi-Gras-2016-Live-Stream
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