The NHS (National Health Service) Thread

[sphericalfox]

From the representation that the BMA has sent onto the Radio and Television I'm not at all surprised, you did a far better job of defending the junior doctors on here thanall of them put together, everytime you saw a BMA official being interviewed you came away from it thinking it was everything to do with Saturday pay and nothing else.

You lot have been saying that since the 50's, no one believes it except yourselves.

You are literally are talking shite. Jeremy Hunt co-wrote a paper outlining the Tory plans for the NHS, and it was very clear the sentiment and outlined plan. The easiest way to allow them to succeed in implementing this is to push the NHS to breaking point, disenchant the public with the service and try to turn the direction towards privitisation as the solution. Pushing staff to breaking point is merely a step in that direction.

From the representation that the BMA has sent onto the Radio and Television I'm not at all surprised, you did a far better job of defending the junior doctors on here thanall of them put together, everytime you saw a BMA official being interviewed you came away from it thinking it was everything to do with Saturday pay and nothing else.

You lot have been saying that since the 50's, no one believes it except yourselves.

You are literally are talking shite. Jeremy Hunt co-wrote a paper outlining the Tory plans for the NHS, and it was very clear the sentiment and outlined plan. The easiest way to allow them to succeed in implementing this is to push the NHS to breaking point, disenchant the public with the service and try to turn the direction towards privitisation as the solution. Pushing staff to breaking point is merely a step in that direction.

[Bryn]

Ward SHO's and Consultants don't do weekends.

Yes, they do. SHO is an old term. I am an "SHO" as a second year. Consultants cannot opt out of emergency weekend care. A consultant is on call for every specialty 24/7 and often work over 16 hour days over the weekend of shit hits the fan.

Patients often do move over weekends, weekend consultant ward rounds are increasingly common and consultants agreed to contract change to facilitate this. If they don't move it's rarely because they are not declared medically fit.

[Wymsey]

A certain Vince Cable believes that preventing Brexit from occurring could allow £300m into the NHS per week..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nhs-sir-vince-cable-eu-300m-a-week-stop-budget-a8088756.html

[Strokes]

Just now, Wymeswold fox said:

A certain Vince Cable believes that preventing Brexit from occurring could allow £300m into the NHS per week..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nhs-sir-vince-cable-eu-300m-a-week-stop-budget-a8088756.html

He should put that on the side of a bus.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Strokes said:

He should put that on the side of a bus.

Tory Bantz

 

 

 

[Strokes]

26 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Tory Bantz

 

 

 

[Rogstanley]

Nah it’s more like

 

Tory bantz 

 

 

 

L-R Webbo, Strokes, MattP, Foxin Mad

Edited 8 December 2017 by Rogstanley

[Bryn]

On 19/05/2016 at 19:45, Bryn said:

Yes, they do. SHO is an old term. I am an "SHO" as a second year. Consultants cannot opt out of emergency weekend care. A consultant is on call for every specialty 24/7 and often work over 16 hour days over the weekend of shit hits the fan.

Patients often do move over weekends, weekend consultant ward rounds are increasingly common and consultants agreed to contract change to facilitate this. If they don't move it's rarely because they are not declared medically fit.

 

I can't believe I had to answer this,

[Izzy]

I thought this was interesting.

 

I know there are issues with the NHS but without getting all political, this shows how we as the public can also help to ease the burden this time of year.

 

Take three steps before visiting GP, public urged

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42511553

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Seen loads of ads on the tube recently for the NHS 'GP At Hand' service. Online video chat with a doctor. 

 

https://www.gpathand.nhs.uk/

 

 

[Facecloth]

2 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I thought this was interesting.

 

I know there are issues with the NHS but without getting all political, this shows how we as the public can also help to ease the burden this time of year.

 

Take three steps before visiting GP, public urged

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42511553

I think is good they are trying to move people away from going to the GP for minor things, but I think people will always fall into three categories and if two of those categories start searching online and using Google as a doctor, there will be issues.

 

Theres a safe category of people who are sensible and know when to trouble the doctor and when not too. They'll be fine. But the ones who think they are dying every time they get a stomach ache or a cold and run to the doctors and the ones who ignore everything and never go could be in trouble. The first ones will always find the worst case from their illness and every stomach ache will be cancer and they'll still go to the docs, the others will still ignore everything and end up worse then if they'd just visited the doctor.

[Col city fan]

11 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think is good they are trying to move people away from going to the GP for minor things, but I think people will always fall into three categories and if two of those categories start searching online and using Google as a doctor, there will be issues.

 

Theres a safe category of people who are sensible and know when to trouble the doctor and when not too. They'll be fine. But the ones who think they are dying every time they get a stomach ache or a cold and run to the doctors and the ones who ignore everything and never go could be in trouble. The first ones will always find the worst case from their illness and every stomach ache will be cancer and they'll still go to the docs, the others will still ignore everything and end up worse then if they'd just visited the doctor.

A very astute post.

 

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think is good they are trying to move people away from going to the GP for minor things, but I think people will always fall into three categories and if two of those categories start searching online and using Google as a doctor, there will be issues.

 

Theres a safe category of people who are sensible and know when to trouble the doctor and when not too. They'll be fine. But the ones who think they are dying every time they get a stomach ache or a cold and run to the doctors and the ones who ignore everything and never go could be in trouble. The first ones will always find the worst case from their illness and every stomach ache will be cancer and they'll still go to the docs, the others will still ignore everything and end up worse then if they'd just visited the doctor.

 

Tbf, this is essentially the point of the NHS direct website. So long as they're being directed to a proper health website rather than all those nonsense websites that go for a zebra diagnosis it should be fine 

 

 

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, separator said:

Seen loads of ads on the tube recently for the NHS 'GP At Hand' service. Online video chat with a doctor. 

 

https://www.gpathand.nhs.uk/

 

I think that's a wonderful and inventive idea mate. I for one would use that in a heartbeat rather than book an appointment. Thanks for sharing 

 

10 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think is good they are trying to move people away from going to the GP for minor things, but I think people will always fall into three categories and if two of those categories start searching online and using Google as a doctor, there will be issues.

 

Theres a safe category of people who are sensible and know when to trouble the doctor and when not too. They'll be fine. But the ones who think they are dying every time they get a stomach ache or a cold and run to the doctors and the ones who ignore everything and never go could be in trouble. The first ones will always find the worst case from their illness and every stomach ache will be cancer and they'll still go to the docs, the others will still ignore everything and end up worse then if they'd just visited the doctor.

Yep, you're probably right. People are people I guess!

 

I suppose I just applaud the NHS for trying to put a bit of accountability and onus back on the public so we can all help each other to have an efficient service that's needed by the people that really need it most.

 

In other news today I just saw this. Personally I think it's another brilliant idea:

Drunk tanks may become norm, NHS boss warns 'selfish' revellers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42506706

 

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17 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I think that's a wonderful and inventive idea mate. I for one would use that in a heartbeat rather than book an appointment. Thanks for sharing 

 

The thought of going to a doctor / dentist etc genuinely scares me so an online NHS GP would certainly appeal to me if the need arose. Obviously they can only do so much diagnosis via a video chat but it could certainly take some of the worry out of it. Excellent idea by the NHS, using modern technology to reduce stress on doctors waiting rooms. 

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[Buce]

1 hour ago, separator said:

Seen loads of ads on the tube recently for the NHS 'GP At Hand' service. Online video chat with a doctor. 

 

https://www.gpathand.nhs.uk/

 

 

 

My own GP has switched to this recently.

 

Of course, as usual, the economically disadvantaged are the ones who will get the least benefit, despite statistically being the most in need.

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

My own GP has switched to this recently.

 

Of course, as usual, the economically disadvantaged are the ones who will get the least benefit, despite statistically being the most in need.

Do you mean the elderly for example who don't understand/have new technology mate? I hadn't considered that...

[Buce]

2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Do you mean the elderly for example who don't understand/have new technology mate? I hadn't considered that...

 

Not just the elderly, despite what one reads in the politics thread, not all benefit recipients have an iPhone,/pc/internet access either.

[Izzy]

8 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Not just the elderly, despite what one reads in the politics thread, not all benefit recipients have an iPhone,/pc/internet access either.

Fair point well made 

[Facecloth]

22 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I think that's a wonderful and inventive idea mate. I for one would use that in a heartbeat rather than book an appointment. Thanks for sharing 

 

Yep, you're probably right. People are people I guess!

 

I suppose I just applaud the NHS for trying to put a bit of accountability and onus back on the public so we can all help each other to have an efficient service that's needed by the people that really need it most.

 

In other news today I just saw this. Personally I think it's another brilliant idea:

Drunk tanks may become norm, NHS boss warns 'selfish' revellers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42506706

 

I think governments have a tough job in that aspect of putting the onus back on people. People should have freedom and shouldn't be living in a nanny state being treated like children, but also society has to account for the one percent of idiots that spoil it for the rest of us. We can only survive if we look after the slowest in society. The onus can't be totally put back on the people in all aspects of life because there are some people out there not clever enough to use that onus properly. So we have to be careful what we allow people to do, or what we take away from them. I remember a few months back a story about drones being regulated and licence being needed, and there was outcry from people claiming they shouldn't be punished as they are responsible drone owners. Thats fine, but others aren't and they are the ones we have to regulate which means everyone has to be regulated. Same with this, I use the GP service properly, but there are people out there we need to mollycoddle, so we all have to have the same service to avoid people being failed.

[Izzy]

3 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think governments have a tough job in that aspect of putting the onus back on people. People should have freedom and shouldn't be living in a nanny state being treated like children, but also society has to account for the one percent of idiots that spoil it for the rest of us. We can only survive if we look after the slowest in society. The onus can't be totally put back on the people in all aspects of life because there are some people out there not clever enough to use that onus properly. So we have to be careful what we allow people to do, or what we take away from them. I remember a few months back a story about drones being regulated and licence being needed, and there was outcry from people claiming they shouldn't be punished as they are responsible drone owners. Thats fine, but others aren't and they are the ones we have to regulate which means everyone has to be regulated. Same with this, I use the GP service properly, but there are people out there we need to mollycoddle, so we all have to have the same service to avoid people being failed.

Great post again Face. You do look at issues from a very wide ranging aspect which is very insightful and thought provoking 

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Great post again Face. You do look at issues from a very wide ranging aspect which is very insightful and thought provoking 

 

Blimey, Izzy, you're starting to sound like a socialist...

 

I reckon that surgeon removed your inner Tory while you were under the knife.

[Col city fan]

20 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think governments have a tough job in that aspect of putting the onus back on people. People should have freedom and shouldn't be living in a nanny state being treated like children, but also society has to account for the one percent of idiots that spoil it for the rest of us. We can only survive if we look after the slowest in society. The onus can't be totally put back on the people in all aspects of life because there are some people out there not clever enough to use that onus properly. So we have to be careful what we allow people to do, or what we take away from them. I remember a few months back a story about drones being regulated and licence being needed, and there was outcry from people claiming they shouldn't be punished as they are responsible drone owners. Thats fine, but others aren't and they are the ones we have to regulate which means everyone has to be regulated. Same with this, I use the GP service properly, but there are people out there we need to mollycoddle, so we all have to have the same service to avoid people being failed.

And again... I agree

[Izzy]

18 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Blimey, Izzy, you're starting to sound like a socialist...

 

I reckon that surgeon removed your inner Tory while you were under the knife.

I blame it on the morphine and anaesthetic still in my system 

 

But I do wonder if this latest episode has slowed me right down and made me a bit more aware and hopefully more tolerant and understanding towards others and society in general.

 

I’m a big believer in ‘everything happens for a reason’ and that more learning, knowledge and personal growth are hopefully an outcome of all this for me  

[Rogstanley]

I’m all for increasing personal responsibility as long as it’s done for the right reasons. This move to try and put people off going to the doctor however is clearly down to a lack of funding.

 

The fact that we now live in a country where the prime minister has billions spare to buy her career back after being democratically put to pasture, but the nhs is so underfunded that they’re having to shame vulnerable people into risking their health just to cut costs really should be a trigger for everyone to reflect on just how badly the country is being ran.