DB11 Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Saturday 19 March 2016, 15:00Barclays Premier LeagueSelhurst Park, London Crystal Palace 0Leicester City 1Mahrez 34'Total Votes: 214FoxesTalk Man of the Match: Danny Drinkwater Danny Drinkwater : 8.36 Wes Morgan : 8.34 N'Golo Kanté : 8.12 Kasper Schmeichel : 8.06 Robert Huth : 7.95 Riyad Mahrez : 7.90 Marc Albrighton : 7.72 Jamie Vardy : 7.62 Danny Simpson : 7.49 Christian Fuchs : 7.47 Shinji Okazaki : 7.46 (SUB) Jeffrey Schlupp : 6.68 (SUB) Leonardo Ulloa : 6.58 (SUB) Daniel Amartey : 6.45 Team Performance: 7.59 (5/29)Manager Performance: 8.23 (6/29)Opposition Performance: 5.87 (10/29)Officials Performance (Ref: Mike Jones): 5.97 (12/29)Overall Manager Confidence: N/A
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Strange how every pundit was saying how well Shinji was doing, then he comes bottom of our ratings.
shen Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Strange how every pundit was saying how well Shinji was doing, then he comes bottom of our ratings. Marginally. Don't think there was much between him and Vardy. And a rating of 7,46 is still very good. No way would I put this as our 5th best performance of the season though if one looked at the game in isolation. Ratings are obviously getting inflated the closer we get to the title.
AKCJ Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Strange how every pundit was saying how well Shinji was doing, then he comes bottom of our ratings. I don't understand how there are Leicester fans that don't rate him. He's been utterly superb recently and, for me, he's had a better month than Vardy. He's really growing into this team and has won that second striker spot off Ulloa for good.
LanguedocFox Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 How did Amartey get 6.45 - he played three minutes of time added on. I'm not sure he even touched the ball!
ThaiFox Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 I don't understand how there are Leicester fans that don't rate him. He's been utterly superb recently and, for me, he's had a better month than Vardy. He's really growing into this team and has won that second striker spot off Ulloa for good. Agree with your comments about Okazaki being superb recently, although I do think he should score more to take some pressure off Mahrez and Vardy, as he gets as many chances as them both. You could make a similar point about Albrighton. Both of them are a very important part of this team and their work rates are immense.
ThaiFox Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 How did Amartey get 6.45 - he played three minutes of time added on. I'm not sure he even touched the ball! Because we won! He would have got 4 if Palace had scored from that last corner!
Captain... Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 I don't understand how there are Leicester fans that don't rate him. He's been utterly superb recently and, for me, he's had a better month than Vardy. He's really growing into this team and has won that second striker spot off Ulloa for good. He has been better, but still very frustrating more attacks breakdown with Shinji trying to do too much than with any other player. He has many qualities, but he lacks that cutting edge in front of goal and with his final ball and it is frustrating to see so many attacks breakdown because he couldn't get the ball out of his feet or got he brushed off the ball too easily, ran into the defender, or his final ball/shot is wayward because he is off balance. Off the ball he is an absolute pest, his energy is infectious and his ability to win the ball back almost cancels out his ability to lose it needlessly, but with Vardy not quite firing we need a bit more end product from our second striker.
Benguin Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Strange how every pundit was saying how well Shinji was doing, then he comes bottom of our ratings. It's because he's a striker and we expect goals and attacking flare so when he puts a shift in, wins the ball, holds it up well and flies around the pitch it often goes under the radar because he hasn't scored or assisted or hit the woodwork etc
Sampson Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Shinji was our best player first half. I don't understand that rating either.
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Shinjis role in our team is hugely under appreciated.
Captain... Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Shinji was our best player first half. I don't understand that rating either. If you look at his stats on Squawka he was rated the worst player in our side (I know stats only show half the story), he worked hard ran around and did some good things, but also gave away the ball and ran into cul-de-sacs a number of times. It really depends on what you value the most in a player. Some people see the loss of possession and falling over as outweighing his good contributions. Others think his energy and enthusiasm and pressing from the front as more valuable.
Koke Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Okazaki is decent but he's got so many limitations. I understand we are winning and doing well with him in the aide but I try to look at the bigger picture, and I'm afraid his work rate doesn't make up for his poor technique, poor balance, lack of goals, lack of assists, falling over his own legs, breaks down our attack cos he loses possession so easily etc. Iain Hume worked hard too, that doesn't make him any good. You need to add quality with work rate. Vardy works hard and he adds quality to it. Again, I understand we're currently doing well with him in the side so I'd start him against Southampton but let's not kid ourselves by pretending Okazaki is anything other than an average player who works hard. There are a million of those around.
AKCJ Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Okazaki is decent but he's got so many limitations. I understand we are winning and doing well with him in the aide but I try to look at the bigger picture, and I'm afraid his work rate doesn't make up for his poor technique, poor balance, lack of goals, lack of assists, falling over his own legs, breaks down our attack cos he loses possession so easily etc. Iain Hume worked hard too, that doesn't make him any good. You need to add quality with work rate. Vardy works hard and he adds quality to it. Again, I understand we're currently doing well with him in the side so I'd start him against Southampton but let's not kid ourselves by pretending Okazaki is anything other than an average player who works hard. There are a million of those around. Pretending that he's an average player is a bit daft and comparisons to Ian Hume are more than harsh.
Kitchandro Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Okazaki is decent but he's got so many limitations. I understand we are winning and doing well with him in the aide but I try to look at the bigger picture, and I'm afraid his work rate doesn't make up for his poor technique, poor balance, lack of goals, lack of assists, falling over his own legs, breaks down our attack cos he loses possession so easily etc. Iain Hume worked hard too, that doesn't make him any good. You need to add quality with work rate. Vardy works hard and he adds quality to it. Again, I understand we're currently doing well with him in the side so I'd start him against Southampton but let's not kid ourselves by pretending Okazaki is anything other than an average player who works hard. There are a million of those around. Totally agree with this.
Sampson Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 If you look at his stats on Squawka he was rated the worst player in our side (I know stats only show half the story), he worked hard ran around and did some good things, but also gave away the ball and ran into cul-de-sacs a number of times. It really depends on what you value the most in a player. Some people see the loss of possession and falling over as outweighing his good contributions. Others think his energy and enthusiasm and pressing from the front as more valuable.He was creating chances and looked our most dangerous attacker first half. It was nothing to do with how hard he worked against Palace, it was him looking our most dangerous attacking threat. I'm honestly wondering if I watched a different game to everyone else.
Captain... Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 He was creating chances and looked our most dangerous attacker first half. It was nothing to do with how hard he worked against Palace, it was him looking our most dangerous attacking threat. I'm honestly wondering if I watched a different game to everyone else. I'm not saying he is shit or completely ineffective, but I also don't remember him creating much in the first half, admittedly my memory is shit, but we only had 3 shots first half, 2 for Mahrez, the goal and the 1 on 1 and Albrighton's effort and I didn't think Okazaki had much to do with any of them. He had a couple of chances in the second half, the header he should have done much better and the shot on the turn was a tough chance and he did provide one "key pass" for Mahrez's shot in the second half, but it wasn't a special pass. Our back 5 were very good and looked solid all game. Drinky and Kante were awesome in midfield, Albrighton was superb defensively, Vardy with the assist and Mahrez with the goal won us the game. Okazaki was good, 7.46 is not a bad rating, but everyone else was better.
kushiro Posted 24 March 2016 Posted 24 March 2016 Forgive me for quoting liberally from Eamon Dunphy's 'Only A Game' on here recently, but it really is, as the blurb on the cover says, the best ever memoir by a professional footballer. There's a fantastic passage where he talks about how players are evaluated by teammates and fans, and I think it's very relevant to this thread: "Players tend to have a fall guy. A couple of seasons ago I was the fall guy. If we lost 1-0 and I had played a blinder and the goal had nothing to do with me, they would still have a go at me. Crowds do it too. So and so 'is a willy puller - is a willy puller', and no way, short of scoring a hatrick each week for six weeks, can he get rid of that. The scapegoat thing shows up a lot. It shows how much deceit there is in football. Teams frequently ignore the real causes of goals and defeats because they are so set in their prejudices. A player like Steve Brown, who is not particularly skilful, is open to scapegoating. You get what amounts to a whispering campaign starting about a player. And the longer the whispering campaign goes on, the more convincing the argument becomes. Even to the point of totally ignoring reality. Truths emerge that have no basis in fact at all. The truth at Fulham was that it was the fault of Alan Dorney. He was at fault for both their goals. But that did not fit with the theories. 'Alan is a good player, Brownie is a suspect character. Therefore it must have been Brownie'. And this is incredible self-deception, not only on the part of individuals, but by the group as a whole."
Oxfordfox83 Posted 26 March 2016 Posted 26 March 2016 Okazaki is decent but he's got so many limitations. I understand we are winning and doing well with him in the aide but I try to look at the bigger picture, and I'm afraid his work rate doesn't make up for his poor technique, poor balance, lack of goals, lack of assists, falling over his own legs, breaks down our attack cos he loses possession so easily etc. Iain Hume worked hard too, that doesn't make him any good. You need to add quality with work rate. Vardy works hard and he adds quality to it. Again, I understand we're currently doing well with him in the side so I'd start him against Southampton but let's not kid ourselves by pretending Okazaki is anything other than an average player who works hard. There are a million of those around. Name two.
Sionnach gorm Posted 26 March 2016 Posted 26 March 2016 I didn't vote here because I only saw 50 minutes of the game. But in that first half Okazaki caused all sorts of problems for Palace. I'm surprised by this rating also.
Foxxed Posted 28 March 2016 Posted 28 March 2016 Forgive me for quoting liberally from Eamon Dunphy's 'Only A Game' on here recently, but it really is, as the blurb on the cover says, the best ever memoir by a professional footballer. There's a fantastic passage where he talks about how players are evaluated by teammates and fans, and I think it's very relevant to this thread: "Players tend to have a fall guy. A couple of seasons ago I was the fall guy. If we lost 1-0 and I had played a blinder and the goal had nothing to do with me, they would still have a go at me. Crowds do it too. So and so 'is a willy puller - is a willy puller', and no way, short of scoring a hatrick each week for six weeks, can he get rid of that. The scapegoat thing shows up a lot. It shows how much deceit there is in football. Teams frequently ignore the real causes of goals and defeats because they are so set in their prejudices. A player like Steve Brown, who is not particularly skilful, is open to scapegoating. You get what amounts to a whispering campaign starting about a player. And the longer the whispering campaign goes on, the more convincing the argument becomes. Even to the point of totally ignoring reality. Truths emerge that have no basis in fact at all. The truth at Fulham was that it was the fault of Alan Dorney. He was at fault for both their goals. But that did not fit with the theories. 'Alan is a good player, Brownie is a suspect character. Therefore it must have been Brownie'. And this is incredible self-deception, not only on the part of individuals, but by the group as a whole." There's probably more than one scapegoat for the fans, their failings amplified and successes begrudgingly accepted. Still, Shinji scored as many in the league as Vardy did last season. You can see his class from his international games and his workrate is undeniable. Just hope we're not shooting ourselves in the foot regarding him. Looking forward to seeing him in the box nutmegging some more defenders!
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