apple987 Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 For me it's all just jealousy because a lot of the players play for spurs. So what? Its England, your country. Do you think arsenal fans want England to lose or be negative about them because there's no arse players in the team and it's all spurs?
Matt Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Even Matt? The level of hatred on here for England and Hodgson is ridiculously out of proportion. Even me. Thing is, it's never gonna happen is it? If it does you can pull me up on it by all means. As for ridiculously out of proportion re: Hodgson, I don't think it is, I don't understand how people can defend Hodgson, I really can't. I mean I don't like Kane as you probably know, i'm willing to admit he score's goals, I can't really deny it, he deserves his place in the team, but why oh why oh why is he on free kicks and corners?!! Why was Kane out wide v Portugal? He's more wasted out wide than Vardy is!! I'm even sticking up for Kane, that's how wrong Hodgson is getting it and these are only a couple of examples of what he's doing wrong. I don't want England to lose, I want them to be successful, but under this prat they're going no where (and unfortunately I can't see much changing after him because as has already been discussed the FA want a yes man - Gotta be a slight improvement after Woy though, I hope anyway) - I don't know how many more times I can say that.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Even me. Thing is, it's never gonna happen is it? If it does you can pull me up on it by all means. As for ridiculously out of proportion re: Hodgson, I don't think it is, I don't understand how people can defend Hodgson, I really can't. I mean I don't like Kane as you probably know, i'm willing to admit he score's goals, I can't really deny it, he deserves his place in the team, but why oh why oh why is he on free kicks and corners?!! Why was Kane out wide v Portugal? He's more wasted out wide than Vardy is!! I'm even sticking up for Kane, that's how wrong Hodgson is getting it and these are only a couple of examples of what he's doing wrong. I don't want England to lose, I want them to be successful, but under this prat they're going no where (and unfortunately I can't see much changing after him because as has already been discussed the FA want a yes man - Gotta be a slight improvement after Woy though, I hope anyway) - I don't know how many more times I can say that. a yes man with a better than 60% win ratio. We didn't actually lose last night you know. To read on here you'd think we'd been thrashed and eliminated from the tournament. 1 minute less injury time last night and this thread would have barely made 20 pages.
StanSP Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 For me it's all just jealousy because a lot of the players play for spurs. So what? Its England, your country. Do you think arsenal fans want England to lose or be negative about them because there's no arse players in the team and it's all spurs? nothing to do with jealously . Alli, Dier, Walker, Rose had good games yesterday. Not that we should justify ourselves just cos it was blindingly obvious Kane became largely ineffective yesterday.
Jimothy Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 a yes man with a better than 60% win ratio. Against the likes of San Marino etc. And against teams who know defeat wouldn't end there qualification chances. When it really matters, when we've got to the tournaments, the results have been poor.
Matt Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 a yes man with a better than 60% win ratio. I don't wanna use this argument because I know you're gonna come back with "We can only play what's infront of us" which is true - that can't be helped, but look at who we've played, when they come up against a challenge, when it counts, they're fucked.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 I don't wanna use this argument because I know you're gonna come back with "We can only play what's infront of us" which is true - that can't be helped, but look at who we've played, when they come up against a challenge, when it counts, they're fucked. Germany, France, Portugal but I don't suppose they were trying?
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Against the likes of San Marino etc. And against teams who know defeat wouldn't end there qualification chances. When it really matters, when we've got to the tournaments, the results have been poor. We're the only team who has small teams in their group?
whoareyaaa Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 a yes man with a better than 60% win ratio. We didn't actually lose last night you know. To read on here you'd think we'd been thrashed and eliminated from the tournament. 1 minute less injury time last night and this thread would have barely made 20 pages. Miss that free kick and we lose the match in the last minute, then we really would have to do the business. They scored that's the fact you should get your head around and the best striker sitting on the bench all game. Sterling had no final ball at Liverpool, Still hasn't improved on it one bit yet he's the first name on the team sheet at the finals. The man doesn't know what he is doing, it's pretty clear.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Miss that free kick and we lose the match in the last minute, then we really would have to do the business. They scored that's the fact you should get your head around and the best striker sitting on the bench all game. Sterling had no final ball at Liverpool, Still hasn't improved on it one bit yet he's the first name on the team sheet at the finals. The man doesn't know what he is doing, it's pretty clear. Yes they scored, we drew. I'm as gutted as anyone but lets just have a sense of prospective. It wasn't the end of the world.
foxfanazer Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Some desperate excuses on here. If you're happy with mediocrity you're supporting the right country because the people that are in charge are clueless
Matt Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Germany, France, Portugal but I don't suppose they were trying? If we get that far which is a massive if, but if we meet any of those 3 in the next few weeks we'll see what the outcome is. I'm not gonna say they weren't trying but friendlies are different to competative games, like I said when they come up against a challenge, when it counts, they're fucked. Besides the Portugal game, yeah they won, but they were lucky, that was a diabolical performance, with Kane on corners and free kicks and Kane and Vardy out wide, 2 things which i've already mentioned. If Woy had of played players in correct positions, without accomodating Wooney inbetween Kane and Vardy, perhaps it would have been abit more convincing but no, typical Woy, which is why the bloke needs to go.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 If we get that far which is a massive if, but if we meet any of those 3 in the next few weeks we'll see what the outcome is. I'm not gonna say they weren't trying but friendlies are different to competative games, like I said when they come up against a challenge, when it counts, they're fucked. Besides the Portugal game, yeah they won, but they were lucky, that was a diabolical performance, with Kane on corners and free kicks and Kane and Vardy out wide, 2 things which i've already mentioned. If Woy had of played players in correct positions, without accomodating Wooney inbetween Kane and Vardy, perhaps it would have been abit more convincing but no, typical Woy, which is why the bloke needs to go. So if we win it's luck, if we draw it's because we're crap?
foxfanazer Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 So if we win it's luck, if we draw it's because we're crap?Yeah thats what he said?
Matt Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 So if we win it's luck, if we draw it's because we're crap? Where have I said they're crap? I've said the manager is poor, an idiot, and I haven't called him inept, but I am now, that is why they drew.
apple987 Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Matt basically can't wait until we fail to say 'I told you so'. Words fail me
Jimothy Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 We're the only team who has small teams in their group? Hang on the qualifying isn't the issue, it's the shite tournament performances. I see you've not bothered addressing that. We can have a nice 100% qualifying record all we like, when we get to the tournament we're clueless, no idea what our best side is and we don't perform. So wave your 10 wins in Germany, Italy, Spain, Croatia etc faces, I know who'll go further when it matters and it ain't us.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Where have I said they're crap? I've said the manager is poor, an idiot, and I haven't called him inept, but I am now, that is why they drew. Woy's to blame when we don't win, lucky when we do?
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Hang on the qualifying isn't the issue, it's the shite tournament performances. I see you've not bothered addressing that. We can have a nice 100% qualifying record all we like, when we get to the tournament we're clueless, no idea what our best side is and we don't perform. So wave your 10 wins in Germany, Italy, Spain, Croatia etc faces, I know who'll go further when it matters and it ain't us. We've got to the semis once in 50 years. Quarter finals is par for England and we've still got every chance of making that.
Jimothy Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Webbo in not quite understanding the other person point and making stupid senseless comments in reply shocker
apple987 Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Hang on the qualifying isn't the issue, it's the shite tournament performances. I see you've not bothered addressing that. We can have a nice 100% qualifying record all we like, when we get to the tournament we're clueless, no idea what our best side is and we don't perform. So wave your 10 wins in Germany, Italy, Spain, Croatia etc faces, I know who'll go further when it matters and it ain't us. Argentina haven't won the world cup since 1986. Roy has also been told by the FA to bring through young players. Not everything Roy does is his own call. I'm by far Roy's biggest fan but you can tell the players like him and they play for him. That's a lot better than capello, sven or mcclaren.
Webbo Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 I'm bowing out now. All this knee jerk stupidity is doing my head in.
theessexfox Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 Saying 'if we win 12-0 then you won't slate him' is a pretty shocking argument, we might have loved Holloway if he bagged us a 12-0 win but he didn't because he's a shite manager. Just like Hodgson.
whoareyaaa Posted 12 June 2016 Posted 12 June 2016 I just can't understand why Vardy didn't come on never mind start. The shot to goal ratio should be enough for the delusional clown to realise he must start or at least feature, that's what I can't get my head around.
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