Labour party civil war

[purpleronnie]

I'm still trying to understand what the labour members want, because it seems they don't want power. 

 

As for corbyn here's a man who actively sabotaged the remain campaign, and as far as I know has never actually achieved anything in his political career (apart from destroying his own party).

 

Maybe he's waiting for the chilcot report, hanging on desperately so he can apologise for Blair and see himself as some sort of saint.

 

That said there's still a part of me rooting for him..is that weird?

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

Rumours that the tosser Owen Smith might stand. I am not a Labour supporter, though of the left, but he is a fvckwit. All mouth and trousers. Avoid like the plague if you are a Labour member.

[Guest MattP]

It might just be time now to accept Labour has ceased to be a political party and to let it die.

 

They have done some incredible things for society but life goes on, hopefully after they collapse the Conservative also fall and we can get parties actually representative of the people rather than having a house full of people who vastly disagree with 52% of the population on crucial issues.

[GaelicFox]

Time for labour to die

It's a church that's fractured

[Guest MattP]

Can't believe they went for Eagle over Watson.

Eagle looks like a weird ferret who hasn't slept for months and as Strokes says she's married to Prince Charles.

Corbyn hangs on and he probably beats her.

[Benji]

I found today's episode of The Thick of It funny:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/video-jeremy-corbyn-admits-this-seems-a-bad-idea-after-letting-c/ 

[Thracian]

'Kin ell they look like two blokes you pull out of a coalville pub playing dominoes in the mid eighties.

 

Judging by Sharpe Fox's link, the game's only just finished!   

[Alf Bentley]

If Angela Eagle announces that she's standing at 3pm, as advertised, I'll mainly be interested in what she says about her policy platform. She has to say something, doesn't she?

 

She's certainly not a charismatic person (but then nor was Attlee, by all accounts, and nor is Merkel), but will definitely be a more competent leader than Corbyn on a personal level.

 

However, if greater competence is all she offers, then she's going to get nowhere. Another New Labour MOR platform would be even worse - a guarantee of failure in the current climate, both in the country and within the Labour Party.

 

Corbyn actually had/has some good policies. I reckon she'd be wise to keep many of those, to appeal both to party members and, more importantly, to the electorate. His ideas on "People's Quantitative Easing" to invest in housing, transport and skills via a National Investment Bank have potential. Likewise, his idea of employing more staff at HMRC so as to launch a proper clampdown on tax evasion and avoidance. Anti-austerity policies generally have the potential to appeal to the support base that Labour risks losing in working-class seats in the Midlands and the North: more funds for NHS & schools (particularly in areas with high inward immigration) and more for local council public services (social care for the elderly etc.).

 

At some point, either today or very soon, she'll need to have a coherent, appealing policy to address concerns about immigration. Here, maintaining Corbyn's belief that no immigration ceiling is needed would be electoral suicide. But a policy to slow and target immigration needn't just ape UKIP. Corbyn himself called for the reinstatement of social funds to support strained public services & integration in areas that have accepted a lot of immigrants - a good idea. Likewise, Labour could promise a clampdown on employers who abuse immigration to get cheap immigrant labour, sometimes under illegal terms & conditions: staging more labour inspections, acting to ensure that all job vacancies are available to locals and not just to cheap immigrant labour imported en masse - and promising to legislate to prevent the provision of sub-standard, multi-occupancy accommodation to immigrant workers, used by some employers as a backdoor route to cheap labour.

 

Assuming Corbyn doesn't resign, it will be very interesting to see what platform Eagle stands on. Given the nature of the party membership since last year's influx, her only chance of winning will be if she stands on a platform like that, quite left-wing and borrowing many of Corbyn's policies, but neutralising the immigration issue and properly addressing the needs of voters left behind in struggling areas, many of whom may have voted Labour in the past but may be tempted to shift to UKIP now.

 

Will be interesting, too, to see which "big names" are supporting her. I hope she'll have some names from the left of the party, but also some of the capable, media-friendly centrists like Umunna, Yvette Cooper & Alan Johnson. I'm assuming that there'll only be one opponent if Corbyn stands. Given his support among the new influx, running more than 1 candidate against him would pretty much guarantee him victory, surely?

[Tuna]

Corbyn should only stand down if the Labour party members who voted him in call for it. Put it to a vote. Otherwise he's quite right to dig his heels in. It's all hugely shambolic.

[purpleronnie]

It might just be time now to accept Labour has ceased to be a political party and to let it die.

 

They have done some incredible things for society but life goes on, hopefully after they collapse the Conservative also fall and we can get parties actually representative of the people rather than having a house full of people who vastly disagree with 52% of the population on crucial issues.

That's the best outcome, won't happen though will it.

[Guest MattP]

Anyone just watched the footage from the anti-semitism event today? It ended with a room full of people shouting at each other and a Jewish MP walking out in protest.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/angela-eagle-to-launch-labour-leadership-bid-in-battle-for-the-s/

 

He actually stood up on a stage and said "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations." - That was his actual crowd pleaser

 

Corbyn is like the opposite of King Midas, everything he touches turns to shit.

[Guest]

Can't believe they went for Eagle over Watson.

Eagle looks like a weird ferret who hasn't slept for months and as Strokes says she's married to Prince Charles.

Corbyn hangs on and he probably beats her.

 

I thought that you wanted another woman leader.

[Guest MattP]

I thought that you wanted another woman leader.

 

I said it would be great if the Tories had another female leader.

 

What on earth does that have to do with this?

[Darkon84]

Bloody hell, Labour MP's and even THEIR CHILDREN getting death threats now from Corbyn's cult for not backing him. This needs to stop.

 

Vicky Foxcroft, a Labour whip, received a call to her constituency office which said: “If she doesn’t support Corbyn I will come down to the office and kick the f*** out of you.”

 

 

Another MP who resigned over Mr Corbyn’s leadership has received an email naming their child and threatening to kill them

 

 

What a lovely bunch of 'progressive', accepting people.

[Guest MattP]

The Corbynistas have overtaken the Cybernats as the biggest angry deluded aggressive mob (sorry progressives) in politics.

Some of this lot are absolutely crackers.

[Nick]

The Corbynistas have overtaken the Cybernats as the biggest angry deluded aggressive mob (sorry progressives) in politics.

Some of this lot are absolutely crackers.

 

 

Some of every lot are absolutely crackers.

[fuchsntf]

I want anyone, anybody, someone, something...ET, Muppets, scouts, boysbrigade, Derby n joan joining forces,

with the leadbiter youth organisation.even Triffids just something/one who has an inkling of intelligence

A party I loved so well, my god what have they done.

Blair and his cronies obliterated any remnants of socialist political thought and idea.

The UK cant go forward without 2 competing, contradicting parties.The far right is too dangerous for that.

At 62 I have never, never experienced in my peak voting life a generation of Socialist group of Politicians

I would ever want to represent me, or mine, either in power or has a shadow cabinat.

The people who stay with Corbyn, the ones who ran away and resigned, have absoltely nothing to offer.

There are some good socialists in politics, but they are not strong enough to sell what they

represent, or others use them for their own selfish agendas.

Carry on like this and conservative will be a one party government for the next 20+yrs.

Any split giving dual socialist alternative parties will be the death.

[Darkon84]

Following events this morning which led to MP Ruth Smeeth walking out of the launch of Labour's AntiSemitism report, due to being slandered by one of JC's 'Grassroots Activists', she has since released this statement.

"This morning, at the launch of the Chakrabarti Inquiry into antisemitism, I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a 'media conspiracy'.

It Is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms Chakrabarti's report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing."

"People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed. Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy’s ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews. 

"I have written to the General Secretary of the Labour Party and the Chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party to formally complain about this morning’s events."

"No-one from the Leader’s office has contacted me since the event, which is itself a catastrophic failure of leadership.

"I call on Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately and make way for someone with the backbone to confront racism and antisemitism in our party and in the country."

 

[Strokes]

Following events this morning which led to MP Ruth Smeeth walking out of the launch of Labour's AntiSemitism report, due to being slandered by one of JC's 'Grassroots Activists', she has since released this statement.

Hardly surprising, it's followed him around like a bad smell since day one.

[Darkon84]

Hardly surprising, it's followed him around like a bad smell since day one.

 

You're right, and he still hasn't done anything to distance himself from such claims. I just had a little peek on one of the Corbynista FB pages and it's comedy gold. Even following on from todays events, they're still backing him as the man who's 'life work has been battling against racism' Doesn't look like it at the moment.

 

https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/

[Strokes]

You're right, and he still hasn't done anything to distance himself from such claims. I just had a little peek on one of the Corbynista FB pages and it's comedy gold. Even following on from todays events, they're still backing him as the man who's 'life work has been battling against racism' Doesn't look like it at the moment.

 

https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/

Must resist temptations to troll.

[johnny the fox]

Whatever happens now.. which ever side comes out on top of this farce the poor old heartland Labour vote are not going to forgive or forget this marx brothers production....it is going to be a pyrrhic victory either way..tragedy is they are so caught in the "struggle" they have lost sight of this... Kissinger quote.. the smaller the prize the more vicious the fighting...... never more so apt than in this case...

[inckley fox]

I can understand Corbyn using his 'huge mandate', as someone called it, to cling on. Most, if not all of these MPs have long been biding their time. When Corbyn was elected by the party, members would have expected him to at least try to withstand the pressure from the PLP when it inevitably erupted into outright civil war.

 

It's likely that Team Corbyn will want to hang on until after Chilcot. Even if the repercussions fail to sufficiently strengthen his position, it will allow his backers to dictate the terms of their stepping aside. There's still the chance, for example, of a Corbyn-endorsed successor, and that in putting a name forward Corbyn will opt for a left-leaning 'unity' candidate like Burnham rather than one of his closest allies.

 

He'll have to go, though. Not because it's morally right that he does but rather because it's impractical for him to lead effectively. If there's a snap election, he won't be able to de-select and re-select candidates in time, if the election is further down the line he won't be able to lead a PLP which doesn't support him, and may well fracture. I suspect, if he hangs on a little longer, that the coming days and weeks will be more about legacy, and his playing a part in both realigning and, if he's lucky, uniting the party.

 

Or he could just be a power-crazy maniac who will never, ever let go, no matter what.

[johnny the fox]

https://vine.co/v/igZPViZEOuJ  footage emerges of a young corbyn in action...explains a lot...

[The Horse's Mouth]

https://vine.co/v/igZPViZEOuJ  footage emerges of a young corbyn in action...explains a lot...

looks more like Michael Gove to me