Thracian Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 19 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said: Don't know if a net spend of like 30 mill is that much to be honest... teams that came up have spent that... It's not what you spend but what you buy. And what you get for the wages you pay. We didn't get a lot today except a lesson.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 Just now, Thracian said: It's not what you spend but what you buy. And what you get for the wages you pay. We didn't get a lot today except a lesson. You are right, but if you are serious about challenging for a regular spot in Europe you can't do the impossible every year and unearth gems, money needs to be laid out to consolidate the position. Champions league football actually made us an attractive propersition for any potential players, but it seems we weren't willing to put the money on the table
One Ranieri Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 Just now, Corky said: You can't fluke a title, last season was achieved because everyone gave everything in each game to get the best result. We had some luck of course but you don't get anywhere on luck alone. We were organised, horrible to play against and very dangerous when we had the ball. All those were missing today. We didn't do ourselves justice but to write off last season as a fluke is just wrong. This is a different season and we played badly. Maybe not a fluke, but a perfect storm of outrageous form and other teams underperforming. City, United and Chelsea all had poor seasons (and changed coaches). Liverpool went through a change earlier, Spurs probably weren't quite there and Arsenal were, well Arsenal. You had few injuries, a couple of amazing signings and a set of circumstances that conspired for one of the greatest upsets in British sport. Maybe you don't call it a fluke but perhaps it's time to accept it for what it was and temper expectations.
Corky Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 2 minutes ago, One Ranieri said: Maybe not a fluke, but a perfect storm of outrageous form and other teams underperforming. City, United and Chelsea all had poor seasons (and changed coaches). Liverpool went through a change earlier, Spurs probably weren't quite there and Arsenal were, well Arsenal. You had few injuries, a couple of amazing signings and a set of circumstances that conspired for one of the greatest upsets in British sport. Maybe you don't call it a fluke but perhaps it's time to accept it for what it was and temper expectations. My expectations are realistic, I accept we'll lose matches but we shouldn't accept that type of defeat. We will be ok, we'll be in mid-table probably which is no disgrace but last season has thrown all notions of what progress is out of the window. Anything less than 1st, logically, is a backward step but we all know it isn't. Last season was unbelievable as a one-off and I am treating it as that. I just want to see the same energy and organisation and that was missing.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 Beat Burnley and get confidence. Need to change our way of playing slightly or way we set up. Look all over the place at the back. Last year toward the end we had the defence nailed and so organised. Away games so far it has looked like Huth and Morgan have aged like five years. Fuchs is also a concern. Had a shit euros and certainly doesn't look solid either now. I'm confident though that Slimani can be a big difference when he gets a game. Him and Vardy will surely mean goals, although the form of Mahrez is probably biggest concern in the attacking sense.
One Ranieri Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 5 minutes ago, Corky said: My expectations are realistic, I accept we'll lose matches but we shouldn't accept that type of defeat. We will be ok, we'll be in mid-table probably which is no disgrace but last season has thrown all notions of what progress is out of the window. Anything less than 1st, logically, is a backward step but we all know it isn't. Last season was unbelievable as a one-off and I am treating it as that. I just want to see the same energy and organisation and that was missing. But the engine of that team is gone and what's worrying is that Ranieri hasn't adjusted. He's trying to do the same things with the most vital component missing. Every team this season will raise their game for the champions and the team is significantly weaker than it was 4 months ago. I'm not saying a relegation fight is a certainty but I think it's far more likely than a fight for top 6.
weller54 Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 18 minutes ago, One Ranieri said: But the engine of that team is gone and what's worrying is that Ranieri hasn't adjusted. He's trying to do the same things with the most vital component missing. Every team this season will raise their game for the champions and the team is significantly weaker than it was 4 months ago. I'm not saying a relegation fight is a certainty but I think it's far more likely than a fight for top 6. Completely agree with all of this...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 30 minutes ago, Corky said: My expectations are realistic, I accept we'll lose matches but we shouldn't accept that type of defeat. We will be ok, we'll be in mid-table probably which is no disgrace but last season has thrown all notions of what progress is out of the window. Anything less than 1st, logically, is a backward step but we all know it isn't. Last season was unbelievable as a one-off and I am treating it as that. I just want to see the same energy and organisation and that was
foxes_rule1978 Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 24 minutes ago, One Ranieri said: But the engine of that team is gone and what's worrying is that Ranieri hasn't adjusted. He's trying to do the same things with the most vital component missing. Every team this season will raise their game for the champions and the team is significantly weaker than it was 4 months ago. I'm not saying a relegation fight is a certainty but I think it's far more likely than a fight for top 6. This exactly... we have replaced a Mercedes engine with a caterham
CKB Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 Depth in certain positions is a tad worrying.... No genuine RB cover and even before Simpson getting injured he was looking iffy Midfield lacks genuine quality and depth, that should've been addressed but wasn't Kante is irreplaceable, I didn't wanna admit that but it shows how huge a loss he is. CR must find a way to play us to our strengths but also make us tough to beat, and not being open as much as a hooker on a good night It would also help if the players showed a bit more fight and stepped their work rates up again. Just because you are on 90k a week doesn't mean you can just do it when you please, that made us different last season! Don't turn into the average primadonna player Which gets me on to these new contracts..... Yes we won the league last season and yes we deserved it but it was a crazy season, we haven't suddenly become a Man City, etc! I'm not sure as a Citeh fan I'm comfortable with 90k plus wages I know we have to grow as a club but this whole whirlwind of growing seems to be way to quick. Nothing is guaranteed and it could bite us on the ass in the future
foxes_rule1978 Posted 10 September 2016 Posted 10 September 2016 There was true togetherness and hunger last season, and the more we won the more we actually believed in the impossible and became stronger. This season the reset button has been hit and the players seem to be lacking that fight that made us great in the first place. The champions league could bring that back the fire that is clearly lacking
Gazza M Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 "You're only as good as your last game." We need to move on from last season or I'm afraid this one will pass us by. That includes the club too. No more replaying Andrea Bochelli singing on the big screen before each match please this season.
Foxhateram Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 Don't panic we always start slowly. We did last season too. We shipped goals galore for the first 6/7 games remember. Everyone said it was the intro of fuchs and simpson that changef it, but personally I think it was fitness to perform our game for 90 mins. We weren't match fit until 7 games in and I think this season might even take longer after the awful pre season. But it will come together. In Claudio we trust.
Monsell1976 Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 10 hours ago, CKB said: Depth in certain positions is a tad worrying.... No genuine RB cover and even before Simpson getting injured he was looking iffy Midfield lacks genuine quality and depth, that should've been addressed but wasn't Kante is irreplaceable, I didn't wanna admit that but it shows how huge a loss he is. CR must find a way to play us to our strengths but also make us tough to beat, and not being open as much as a hooker on a good night It would also help if the players showed a bit more fight and stepped their work rates up again. Just because you are on 90k a week doesn't mean you can just do it when you please, that made us different last season! Don't turn into the average primadonna player Which gets me on to these new contracts..... Yes we won the league last season and yes we deserved it but it was a crazy season, we haven't suddenly become a Man City, etc! I'm not sure as a Citeh fan I'm comfortable with 90k plus wages I know we have to grow as a club but this whole whirlwind of growing seems to be way to quick. Nothing is guaranteed and it could bite us on the ass in the future Talking at the game, quite a few are not convinced Simpson is even injured, more bottled it, as he was getting destroyed. Not sure about that myself, but he was being made to look like an amateur
Monsell1976 Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 5 minutes ago, foxhateram said: Don't panic we always start slowly. We did last season too. We shipped goals galore for the first 6/7 games remember. Everyone said it was the intro of fuchs and simpson that changef it, but personally I think it was fitness to perform our game for 90 mins. We weren't match fit until 7 games in and I think this season might even take longer after the awful pre season. But it will come together. In Claudio we trust. Time for a offer of a pizza me thinks
foxfanazer Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 12 hours ago, nnfox said: 4 games. We've played 4 games! People need to chill! Corresponding fixtures last season would read W1 D1 L2. Jeez, just relax. Its the performances that are the concern for me not the results
Livid Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 Kapustka hasn't kicked a ball in a competitive match for us and Mendy has played 50 minutes. Amartey looked awful yesterday but so did most of them. He looked good against Swansea. We should have beaten Arsenal and we would have put four or five past Swansea if Mahrez had put that penalty away. Our two away performances haven't been good but give it time.
bpfox Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 we will regret not signing silva and a center half, no matter what the cost. no one in our side could keep the ball , trying to pass going forward was woeful, mahrez needs to but dropped i can not remember him beating one defender this season. on todays effort we will be lucky to finish out of the drop zone.
Superpants82 Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 I have seen it mentioned loads about Kante and it's bang on. How he played gave our defence confidence, they all threw themselves into tackles and blocks, held the defensive line, swarmed attacks, so far I have seen glimpses off that from Morgan, but the defensive togetherness hasn't clicked. Kante allowed drinkwater the freedom to ping balls to the flanks or straight to Vardy quickly in a counter attack, that's not happening. Remember watching them play and being proud of how tight the defence was and thinking 'they ain't getting through". I really hope Pappy gives us some stability in midfield, when he comes back. In the meantime time to drop the underperformers.
lcfc81 Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 They said on the commentary, part of the problem is teams now approach games thinking, 'how do we beat leicester?' whereas for much of last season, particularly the early part, they turned up thinking, 'If we turn up and play our game we'll beat leicester' in fact most people had us down for stonwall relegation still at this point last season (which is ridiculous to think). We'll find a way to win games I'm sure, and it'll make us a better team for it.
lcfc81 Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 We are also about to go into the start of the champions league period which will change the labdscape significantly. man city were top and hadn't let in a goal at this point last year (I think I'm right in saying) that then began to change somewhat.
Fox92 Posted 11 September 2016 Author Posted 11 September 2016 37 minutes ago, bpfox said: we will regret not signing silva and a center half, no matter what the cost. no one in our side could keep the ball , trying to pass going forward was woeful, mahrez needs to but dropped i can not remember him beating one defender this season. on todays effort we will be lucky to finish out of the drop zone. Quality midfielder and as center half... I agree... Two aging center backs is not the way forward. Yes they were brilliant last season but got the assurance from Kante. That probably gave them confidence too. Teams that have won the league, the likes of Arsenal and United, they improved year upon year as their older players were slowly pushed out of the first team. Don't understand going into a new season - a long tough season with more games than ever - with two 30+ centre backs... Now if Simpson is injured we have a centre back at right back with another aging centre back (Wasyl) to cover. Stupid.
Moksky Posted 11 September 2016 Posted 11 September 2016 Simpson did not bottle it , he is injured. Disappointing for conspiracy theorists
foxy boxing Posted 12 September 2016 Posted 12 September 2016 the reality is that the top teams have improved, that other teams in the premier league will play differently against us and sit more deep with less space for us to run into and it will be extremely difficult for us to repeat last season but let's enjoy this season anyway with the champions league and see where we end up
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