Corky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 18 hours ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Yet the fact remains he was incredibly lucky. inherited a team where years of planning and hard work had just clicked, with an incredible team spirit and bond not forged by him. We just won 9 out of 12 games and were on a huge high, hardly relegation candidate form! inherited Kanté. managed during a season where every other top team were off the pace. last season was a perfect storm and he was the lucky beneficiary, and like it or not what we are witnessing now is the real work of Claudio and it's not good enough. What the hell is this? You make it sound as though any old duffer could come in and have the tactical nous, the determination, the ability to get this squad of players to reach 81 points over a season. I like Pearson, he's a good manager, but there is not a single chance he would've had that squad anywhere near the top last season. Ranieri was absolutely brilliant for 12 months and for you to downplay it, let alone give most of the credit to someone who wasn't even with the club, is frankly ludicrous. He has underperformed this year, there's no doubt about that, but he was nearly faultless last season. Like Pearson was nearly faultless in the Championship winning year yet took the best part of 30 games to get us going the next season. He should be doing better now but my word have some respect for the achievement of last year. Wow.
Barky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 I'm sure some people on here are on Nigel Pearson's payroll.
Koke Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 People suggesting all Ranieri did was take over a side with momentum and team spirit are having a right 'mare. I have tremendous respect for Pearson but he wouldn't have us anywhere near the top 4, nevermind winning the whole league. Pearson is not fit enough to be named alongside Ranieri. Ranieri took us from relegation battle to title winners. That's not by accident or luck. We lost 3 games the whole season for Allah's sake. Ranieri is struggling at the moment but you guys should put some respeck on his name.
filbertway Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Ranieri has questions to answer - no doubt. As we fans are in turmoil, and looking for answers should the D of F's position be under question given the shoddy way the club has handled matters since May? For example, transfers....etc This is definitely bigger than just Ranieri. Anybody who has anything to do with player recruitment should be under scrutiny. Pretty sure half of this message board could have done a better job then the people in charge of contracts and transfers.
Wymsey Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 What's the point in comparing Ranieri to Pearson? Ranieri has different ambitions, alongside the CL hunger than most currently - him having regularly saying how he wants to 'push on', the amount of £ he's used in transfers, despite the current predicament - whilst Pearson's expectation was only to make the club stay up? Need to move on, not look at the not-so-good past (before now obviously) in the league. It's like comparing Alex Ferguson to a decliner like Ian Holloway.
Moksky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 Rewind to the geat escape, can people recall how much we were all frustrated of Pearsons tactical inability during games. One big factor in Pearson departure was that the players and other backroom staff changed things including Cambiasso themselves and managed to haul themselves out of it. This is something I am party to with member sof the squad. Along with the his sons antics and bad realtionship with the media, thats why he is no longer here. The confidence and belief in the team grew, and the quality additions saw the team on an upwards trend, which lasted until last season. The players are letting him down, they are not working hard enough, coupled with the fact some are not motivated and some are plain and simple tired. We witness during games, Gray, Okazaki, Mus come on and all of a sudden we go up a gear and go on the front foot. We are all aggrieved that those players are not given a chance, I am in agreement with this. Vardy and Mahrez are some of the worst offenders as their workrate has almost completely dropped off. Kante is a massive ,massive loss, and we havent found the replacement. Ironically Geuye was excellent again for Everton yesterday. It wil be interesting to see what team and kind of performance we put out on Weds night Claudio should have another transfer window at least at the very minimum, this is nothing like the Mourinho saga of last season, a couple of wins and confidence comes, he still can turn this around and confidence is a massive thing. Players want the ball , not hide from it like they are at the minute. Fact is those who want him gone do not understand football.
Argarath Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 18 minutes ago, Barky said: I'm sure some people on here are on Nigel Pearson's payroll. Probs part of his gang:P
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 1 hour ago, Barky said: I'm sure some people on here are on Nigel Pearson's payroll. Might as well give the troll some attention. Most of the fans who appreciate Nigel Pearson's legacy actually watched us (it was hard to watch) in the 2000s before he took over and turned the club from decline to an upward trend. Not that you'd know having started supporting around half way through last season after deciding Chelsea weren't doing it for you. You called him a shambles which sums you up, can't wait for fans like you to give up interest when we finish bottom half.
Barky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 9 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Might as well give the troll some attention. Most of the fans who appreciate Nigel Pearson's legacy actually watched us (it was hard to watch) in the 2000s before he took over and turned the club from decline to an upward trend. Not that you'd know having started supporting around half way through last season after deciding Chelsea weren't doing it for you. You called him a shambles which sums you up, can't wait for fans like you to give up interest when we finish bottom half. Been supporting the club since 1985 mate. Youve got a picture of Nigel Pearson on your profile and go around demeaning the man who achieved our greatest ever triumph. Don't think you can play the 'superior fan' card here mate. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if you work for some online reputation management firm hired by Pearson. He was a shambles at Derby. Nobody can deny that.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 Ah. Earlier on, I posted a question asking what was the point keeping on bringing up Pearson unless you wanted Ranieri sacked and for Nige to return. I think I've had one answer. Rather than a proper answer, we've had pages of 'my dads bigger than your dad' etc.. Shame
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 5 minutes ago, Barky said: Been supporting the club since 1985 mate. Youve got a picture of Nigel Pearson on your profile and go around demeaning the man who achieved our greatest ever triumph. Don't think you can play the 'superior fan' card here mate. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if you work for some online reputation management firm hired by Pearson. He was a shambles at Derby. Nobody can deny that. Sorry, didn't realise we were on Foxestalk to discuss Pearson's time at Derby and not Leicester
Corky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 13 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Might as well give the troll some attention. Most of the fans who appreciate Nigel Pearson's legacy actually watched us (it was hard to watch) in the 2000s before he took over and turned the club from decline to an upward trend. Not that you'd know having started supporting around half way through last season after deciding Chelsea weren't doing it for you. You called him a shambles which sums you up, can't wait for fans like you to give up interest when we finish bottom half. I'm a Pearson fan, I think he did a superb job in dragging us up from the lower reaches, playing some excellent football along the way. Your overstatement of his impact in last season, and in turn downplaying Ranieri's, deserves criticism I'm afraid.
Wymsey Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: Ah. Earlier on, I posted a question asking what was the point keeping on bringing up Pearson unless you wanted Ranieri sacked and for Nige to return. I think I've had one answer. Rather than a proper answer, we've had pages of 'my dads bigger than your dad' etc.. Shame Yes but who fueled it to be like this?
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 Just now, Corky said: I'm a Pearson fan, I think he did a superb job in dragging us up from the lower reaches, playing some excellent football along the way. Your overstatement of his impact in last season, and in turn downplaying Ranieri's, deserves criticism I'm afraid. Fair comment
Donut Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 21 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Might as well give the troll some attention. Most of the fans who appreciate Nigel Pearson's legacy actually watched us (it was hard to watch) in the 2000s before he took over and turned the club from decline to an upward trend. Not that you'd know having started supporting around half way through last season after deciding Chelsea weren't doing it for you. You called him a shambles which sums you up, can't wait for fans like you to give up interest when we finish bottom half. You had a total, i mean absolute mare when you tried to suggest the title win was down to the mini run, "team spirit" in the great escape and the squad left to Ranieri. A total mare. But youve done the right thing and acknowledged this. We should be taking a balanced view on this. Pearson was responsible for the greatest relegation escape in Premier League history. Ranieri was responsible for the greatest title win, probably ever. Anywhere.
Barky Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 2 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Sorry, didn't realise we were on Foxestalk to discuss Pearson's time at Derby and not Leicester I don't know why we're discussing Pearson at all as I wrote on here yesterday. But since some people (you) insist on trying to give him the credit for last season it's fair game to point out his obvious limitations that were on full display during his time at derby. Seems you're more than happy to talk about Pearson, but only if we completely ignore the negatives.
Mickyblueeyes Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 1 hour ago, Moksky said: Rewind to the geat escape, can people recall how much we were all frustrated of Pearsons tactical inability during games. One big factor in Pearson departure was that the players and other backroom staff changed things including Cambiasso themselves and managed to haul themselves out of it. This is something I am party to with member sof the squad. Along with the his sons antics and bad realtionship with the media, thats why he is no longer here. The confidence and belief in the team grew, and the quality additions saw the team on an upwards trend, which lasted until last season. The players are letting him down, they are not working hard enough, coupled with the fact some are not motivated and some are plain and simple tired. We witness during games, Gray, Okazaki, Mus come on and all of a sudden we go up a gear and go on the front foot. We are all aggrieved that those players are not given a chance, I am in agreement with this. Vardy and Mahrez are some of the worst offenders as their workrate has almost completely dropped off. Kante is a massive ,massive loss, and we havent found the replacement. Ironically Geuye was excellent again for Everton yesterday. It wil be interesting to see what team and kind of performance we put out on Weds night Claudio should have another transfer window at least at the very minimum, this is nothing like the Mourinho saga of last season, a couple of wins and confidence comes, he still can turn this around and confidence is a massive thing. Players want the ball , not hide from it like they are at the minute. Fact is those who want him gone do not understand football. you my friend are very simple. You sit sit there criticising players, questioning commitment and even say (indirectly) that Nigel Pearson had little or no part as manager in the achievements of the great escape. Just so I am clear, I do not want Pearson.back and have made that quite clear in another topic. I will not sit on my high horse and pretend your opinion on this situation is not worthy of debate. But your post is so contradictory it's laughable that you're able to string a sentence together. You mention lack of confidence. You mention Gueye (a guy clearly admired by Walsh) and you mention that some players are not getting the right opportunity in the team. Yet, you don't place any blame on the manager but call those who do and have lost patience as people who don't understand football? I don't think you understand what contradictory means if you can't conprehend how daft that sounds. People quite obviously do understand football to be able to pinpoint the exacts points you have highlighted. They have simply taken a different view point. Get it right
reynard Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 1 hour ago, Moksky said: Rewind to the geat escape, can people recall how much we were all frustrated of Pearsons tactical inability during games. One big factor in Pearson departure was that the players and other backroom staff changed things including Cambiasso themselves and managed to haul themselves out of it. This is something I am party to with member sof the squad. Along with the his sons antics and bad realtionship with the media, thats why he is no longer here. The confidence and belief in the team grew, and the quality additions saw the team on an upwards trend, which lasted until last season. The players are letting him down, they are not working hard enough, coupled with the fact some are not motivated and some are plain and simple tired. We witness during games, Gray, Okazaki, Mus come on and all of a sudden we go up a gear and go on the front foot. We are all aggrieved that those players are not given a chance, I am in agreement with this. Vardy and Mahrez are some of the worst offenders as their workrate has almost completely dropped off. Kante is a massive ,massive loss, and we havent found the replacement. Ironically Geuye was excellent again for Everton yesterday. It wil be interesting to see what team and kind of performance we put out on Weds night Claudio should have another transfer window at least at the very minimum, this is nothing like the Mourinho saga of last season, a couple of wins and confidence comes, he still can turn this around and confidence is a massive thing. Players want the ball , not hide from it like they are at the minute. Fact is those who want him gone do not understand football. Great post but Ranieri needs to actually do something. The tactics are his, the team selection is his, the motivation should be done by him and if players are not trying or are too tired then he should see that and deal with it. At the moment he's doing nothing. The football we are playing is down to him and at the moment it stinks. We need 7 points from the next five games to at least get us to half way with 20 points. Frankly at the moment I can't see us getting any and fully expect us to be bottom at Christmas. So far all he's done is blame it on bad luck. Add to this what now appears a shambolic summer recruitment and all in all we are in a mess. Frankly any manager who has overseen the complete and utter decline from champions 6 months ago to relegation possibles now needs to look closely at what they are doing. We've spent a fortune in the summer and are now much much worse than before.
HKFox Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 As much as I appreciate what Pearson did for us I can't see our owners offering him the job. Eddie Howe I think would be awesome, continues to do well for Bournemouth, and plays good football. Would be my choice anyway. I would say Ranieri probably has another month if all continues horribly in the league. Lose to man city, bournemouth, stoke and Everton we will be in the bottom 3. Poor run of form and a horrendous transfer window last year, I can't see him staying for that, or trusting him with more money in January.
Alpha Gifts & Awards Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 Firstly, as supporters we need to support and stick together, same as the squad. Everyone is entitled to have, and aire an opinion. We're all in this together ). Appreciate its disappointing when things aren't going 'so well' (. I love Claudio, but it does seem players are 'currently' out of position, or have a lack of freedom to 'express themselves', look at the Hazard improvements at Chelsea with a 'back 3'. We are clearly light in midfield and the centre halves need better protection, with someone sitting in front of them. Also, a formation change might give us a better opportunity to 'keep possession' and 'hold-up' the ball. Feeling we are too direct currently, which just keeps giving possession away, and this is the biggest transition from last season and will take time. Kasper/Zieler Wes Amarty Huth Albrighton James/Mendy Drinky/King Fuchs Shinji Mahrez Slimani/Ulloa Shinji can 'drop in' when we don't have the ball, leaving the front two the energy to focus on attacking runs etc. Also, we'd benefit from some great delivery from the flanks. It is becoming a concern that change isn't being 'embraced', continued bad results will lead to inevitable outcomes.
whetstonefox Posted 5 December 2016 Posted 5 December 2016 He has to ditch 442, it's clearly not working. I don't know how he's treating the players but to many have switched off. they'll all be remembered forever ,but in 20 years time Idon't want to be reminiscing about 2016 and then some Forest upstart asking me about 2017 with a smirk on his face! The owners have earned the trust of us all, I expect them to act only if they feel CR has completely lost his way.
KingKante Posted 6 December 2016 Posted 6 December 2016 7 hours ago, Donut said: And do you think these two situations are in any way comparable? Yeah!
KingKante Posted 6 December 2016 Posted 6 December 2016 8 hours ago, norwichfox said: No......Jose manages Manchester United And before that Chelsea sacked him
Donut Posted 6 December 2016 Posted 6 December 2016 27 minutes ago, KingKante said: Yeah! Yep, so you think Ranieri taking over a really poor Premier League team, inspiring them to the win the league in highly unexpected circumstances and then losing a key part of the team and not being able to recapture the form they had whilst having to juggle a Champions League campaign for the first time in their history... Is exactly the same as a manager at a club who had some of the best players in Europe, who won the league when being one of the shortest price favourites, deciding to have a public spat with his club doctor, throwing his captain under the bus at Man City away, getting himself sent off and misconduct fines galore and totally losing the dressing room at a club where not challenging for trophies isnt just bad, its abject. You think those two scenarios compare to each other? because thats literally the exact situation.
Clever Fox Posted 6 December 2016 Posted 6 December 2016 4 hours ago, Col city fan said: Ah. Earlier on, I posted a question asking what was the point keeping on bringing up Pearson unless you wanted Ranieri sacked and for Nige to return. I think I've had one answer. Rather than a proper answer, we've had pages of 'my dads bigger than your dad' etc.. Shame No i don't believe many want Pearson back despite the excellent job he done while here. But what I do want is CR to step up and do the job he's more than capable of. I want him to stop making silly statements like it's all bad luck. He knows well you make your own luck in football and players are not performing for varying reasons. I want him to sign the players to fill the gaps in defence and midfield with the quality needed right now. I want him to use the great Italian knowledge for sorting out the defences and balance the team better. I want him to play with Wingers because most goals come from the wings and it's also more exciting for Fans. Remember he has more funds to spend than any Leicester Manager ever. Do I think he has the ability to do all that, of course he does. The question is does he have the desire and drive to see it through. Or is he just happy to plead ignorance and top up his pension at our expense. If thats the case I'd prefer we brought in another talented and hungry young Manager. Like Howe or Giggs.
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