How much longer does Claudio get a pass?

[inckley fox]

5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Ah.

Earlier on, I posted a question asking what was the point keeping on bringing up Pearson unless you wanted Ranieri sacked and for Nige to return. I think I've had one answer.

Rather than a proper answer, we've had pages of 'my dads bigger than your dad' etc..

Shame

I can think of many reasons why people might wish to bring up Pearson without wanting him back. He was - in a managerial, not a scouting capacity - responsible for bringing in 9 of the regular title-winning 11, so people naturally look at how that squad evolved from its beginnings (i.e. Andy King and the 3rd tier) to the Great Escape and the beginning of our great run of form. We advanced more than Leicester have advanced under any other boss in terms of league positions - and now, with most NP-era players still intact, things are going backwards.

 

Obviously we all knew that they were bound to go backwards, we weren't going to sweep away the opposition year on year, but it's only natural that people compare the first few chapters of our journey upwards, with the first chapter of our journey in the opposite direction, and wonder what's changed. And if you take a Leicester-centric view of the world then who else do you relate Ranieri to? Sven? Sousa? Holloway? Kelly? McLintock? Gillies?

 

Pearson's an inevitable reference point because he's part of the same story, and between him and Ranieri they've managed us for seven of the past ten years. It's hard not to bring either of them up in a conversation about Leicester, and that'll probably be the case for a time to come. It doesn't mean we need to fire Ranieri right now and bring Pearson back.

[ozleicester]

We really have some shit supporters and attitudes. 

 

The team needs adjustment and change but you dont just sack the manager (especially one of the best in the world )  after a few poor results. You give them a chance to restructure. You give them the confidence to try things. You give them TIME!

 

Fvck me, remember div 3?  Remember struggling to avoid relegation from the champ? Remember the almost monthly manager roundabout?

 

 

[Leicester_Numan]

LOSE - To misplace something or to suffer defeat.

LOOSE - Your trousers fall down.

 

The misspelling of it seems to be spreading with the negativity

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Numan said:

LOSE - To misplace something or to suffer defeat.

LOOSE - Your trousers fall down.

 

The misspelling of it seems to be spreading with the negativity

 

LOESS - A sort of loose, silty soil

 

Just trying to help....

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

LOESS - A sort of loose, silty soil

 

Just trying to help....

 

[shen]

20 hours ago, thursday_next said:

 

Look around the earliest posts in the Foxestalk era, and I think you'll find that there are 762 threads discussing this.

That would have been the pre-Foxestalk era

 

21 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm getting very frustrated with Ranieri at the minute, he's waiting far too long to change personnel and formations which has now ripped through our winning mentality and confidence so that when he does eventually change it, the damage will already have been done and it'll be so much harder to implement a positive change. I know it'll never happen but I'd love an explanation off him regarding his tactics this season, how on earth can he continue week in, week out with this chronically ill equipped formation that bleeds goals against the best sides and is still so weak against the dross as well, you just wouldn't stand for it and you'd work day and night to find an alternative. The summers transfers have left us massively unbalanced, where we've so many wingers and forwards and hardly any reliable alternatives in defence or midfield, it's pretty much a disgrace.

 

We all knew Kante was a massive loss, the whole of football knew he was the reason we could play 4-4-2 so easily and yet Ranieri brings in one midfielder who does his best work in a midfield 3 and then waits until the final few weeks of the transfer window to maybe bring another one in, he's fcuked up and rather than swallow his pride and do something about it he's just stubbornly stuck with the same rigid formation and it's produced pitiful displays.

 

You can see the winning mentality draining away from us. At least at the start of the season we were struggling badly against the best in the league but when we played Swansea, Burnley etc we could still inflict our way of playing and hurt teams. Now we are the bins at the back, anonymous in midfield and completely devoid of any creativity or threat up front. It's an absolute embarrassment and we are bang in trouble. Ranieri can chunter on all he wants about staying calm and what not but how can you be calm when you make the same horrific and basic mistakes every week. It's beggars belief.

 

It's a huge few weeks for him. The man is a legend for winning us the league and it was he who mastered this, not Pearson but right now he's off his head. He needs a fcukin dilly ding round his canister to wake him up, get back to reality and sort it out. Swallow his pride and change the way we play before it's far too late.

 

I am furious with him right now. Prat.

 

It's not like you to be this upset, Ric! As mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't actually think the recruitments have left us unbalanced. Kanté was the balance in a 4-4-2 and we're effectively witnessing how it no longer works with other players filling in his big boots. We actually strengthened our midfield which was desperately short in numbers last season, but thanks to very few injuries and suspensions, we were lucky enough not to be exposed.

 

I do share your frustration with Ranieri, because surely he sees we're not performing anywhere near the sort of performances of last season or the season before, even in our successful CL campaign. He's not looking to do anything different either judging on playstyle, formation, personnel or even pre- and post-match interviews.

 

It's fine backing your players, staying loyal and persisting with a formation that just won you the league a few months ago. Most would probably think it would be mental not to give it a shot. But just how many games is he willing to throw before changing his mind?

[KingKante]

7 hours ago, Donut said:

Yep, so you think Ranieri taking over a really poor Premier League team, inspiring them to the win the league in highly unexpected circumstances and then losing a key part of the team and not being able to recapture the form they had whilst having to juggle a Champions League campaign for the first time in their history...

 

Is exactly the same as a manager at a club who had some of the best players in Europe, who won the league when being one of the shortest price favourites, deciding to have a public spat with his club doctor, throwing his captain under the bus at Man City away, getting himself sent off and misconduct fines galore and totally losing the dressing room at a club where not challenging for trophies isnt just bad, its abject.

 

You think those two scenarios compare to each other? because thats literally the exact situation.

Not to the extent of all that ^^^ but the similaritys asin winning the league one season and having awful form the next 

[Renart]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Numan said:

LOSE - To misplace something or to suffer defeat.

LOOSE - Your trousers fall down.

 

The misspelling of it seems to be spreading with the negativity

 

22 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

LOESS - A sort of loose, silty soil

 

Just trying to help....

LOOS. Plural form of the informal British word for toilet (loo). 

 

Also, LOOS. First World War battle that took place from 25th September - 13th October 1915 in France, on the Western Front.

[MC Prussian]

This kind of conspiracy theory does my nut in.

 

I don't think there's trouble in the dressing room, the manager hasn't lost the team. I'd rather say the players have difficulty motivating themselves, coping with the burden of last season and trying to perform in the Premier League as they do on the international stage.

It also doesn't help that our team has been found out by our opponents - Mahrez usually being shadowed by two, a lacklustre and pale midfield pairing with a lack of creativity in the absence of Drinkwater (and Mendy).

Our centre-backs who are no longer protected by a sweeper like Kanté and at a disadvantage with a the new rule against clamping in the box.

Injuries have taken their toll also - I think we were blessed in that regard when we look back at the 2015/2016 campaign.

 

Yes, we're playing badly as a team. Yes, too many of our key players are caught in a rut. Yes, in hindsight it may have been wrong to hand out lucrative deals to most of them - but the club were keen on keeping them and they were sought after, make no mistake. Also, some of our manhandling choices come across as rather odd - see the Kapustka, Gray, Ulloa, Wasilewski, Benalouane and Hernandez situation.

I think a kind of surfeit has set in and a player like Vardy makes the headlines for the wrong reasons these days - sportive a disappointment on the pitch (like many others) and diverted by other, personal causes.

For example, I don't think the book or the latest media exposure are doing him any good. In fact, it's somewhat counterproductive.

 

It is important the players and the manager find a way (or several ways) to find out of this low and concentrate on the basics. By focusing on what's really important (football, teamwork) and possibly by switching tactics (abandoning 4-4-2 at least for a while, based on the players at Ranieri's disposal).

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, shen said:

That would have been the pre-Foxestalk era

 

 

It's not like you to be this upset, Ric! As mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't actually think the recruitments have left us unbalanced. Kanté was the balance in a 4-4-2 and we're effectively witnessing how it no longer works with other players filling in his big boots. We actually strengthened our midfield which was desperately short in numbers last season, but thanks to very few injuries and suspensions, we were lucky enough not to be exposed.

 

I do share your frustration with Ranieri, because surely he sees we're not performing anywhere near the sort of performances of last season or the season before, even in our successful CL campaign. He's not looking to do anything different either judging on playstyle, formation, personnel or even pre- and post-match interviews.

 

It's fine backing your players, staying loyal and persisting with a formation that just won you the league a few months ago. Most would probably think it would be mental not to give it a shot. But just how many games is he willing to throw before changing his mind?

I know mate but when you consider the shambles now it really is hard not to pull your hair out and get riled!

 

I do think the squad is unbalanced in terms of too many wingers and strikers and not enough alternatives in central midfield and defence. We spent nearly £50 million on two strikers but play one of them out wide when we've already got a plethora of wingers to choose from. We didn't make any signings to give us options of another way of playing. I really wish we'd got Brady, Silva, Keane and Deeney and got rid of Schlupp and Ulloa and not gone mad on Slimani and Musa. We'd have so much more balance in our squad and be able to play wingbacks or 4-3-3 quite easily.

[mackiepas]

8 hours ago, ozleicester said:

We really have some shit supporters and attitudes. 

 

The team needs adjustment and change but you dont just sack the manager (especially one of the best in the world )  after a few poor results. You give them a chance to restructure. You give them the confidence to try things. You give them TIME!

 

Fvck me, remember div 3?  Remember struggling to avoid relegation from the champ? Remember the almost monthly manager roundabout?

 

 

exactly my thoughts reading through some peoples comments on here are pathetic

[norwichfox]

5 hours ago, Leicester_Numan said:

LOSE - To misplace something or to suffer defeat.

LOOSE - Your trousers fall down.

 

The misspelling of it seems to be spreading with the negativity

I knew  I should have checked, I'm normaly so carefull about speling, where double letters are concerned.......thanks

[Buce]

5 hours ago, Leicester_Numan said:

LOSE - To misplace something or to suffer defeat.

LOOSE - Your trousers fall down.

 

The misspelling of it seems to be spreading with the negativity

 

3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

LOESS - A sort of loose, silty soil

 

Just trying to help....

 

2 hours ago, Renart said:

 

LOOS. Plural form of the informal British word for toilet (loo). 

 

Also, LOOS. First World War battle that took place from 25th September - 13th October 1915 in France, on the Western Front.

 

Luce: French and Italian given name.

[shen]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I know mate but when you consider the shambles now it really is hard not to pull your hair out and get riled!

 

I do think the squad is unbalanced in terms of too many wingers and strikers and not enough alternatives in central midfield and defence. We spent nearly £50 million on two strikers but play one of them out wide when we've already got a plethora of wingers to choose from. We didn't make any signings to give us options of another way of playing. I really wish we'd got Brady, Silva, Keane and Deeney and got rid of Schlupp and Ulloa and not gone mad on Slimani and Musa. We'd have so much more balance in our squad and be able to play wingbacks or 4-3-3 quite easily.

I guess the staff need blame for not contingency planning in case Kanté left, but then again there are virtually no players out there of his calibre in his position available to us. We struck unexpected gold with him and it seems we were naïve enough to believe we could maintain a similar level of performance with (in theory) slightly inferior quality in the middle. How wrong they were.

 

We tried hard for the players you mentioned, but we were going to pay way, way over the odds for them. It's insane that Burnley, Norwich and Watford rejected our approaches for those astronomical sums. Considering we didn't spend a crazy amount of money on a team that became actual fooking champions (the more I see of us this season, the less I can believe we achieved what we did), you can understand the club not wanting to be held to ransom.

 

We could easily play 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 as you suggest. We still have Schlupp and Albrighton who were excellent in those roles during the great escape. For a 4-3-3, Drinkwater, King/Mendy and Amartey would absolutely have been and option with Musa/Vardy wide, Slimani up front and Mahrez on the right in a free role. Gray, Okazaki, Chilwell, Ulloa, James, Benalouane, Hernandez, Wasilewski, Kapustka, Zieler all giving us fine strength in depth/backup options. I really do not see us being less flexible than last season, quite the contrary.

I understand that one of the major reasons for success for the past 20-22 months is down to the stability and consistency in tactics and team selection, but somewhere you draw the line....

[Alf Bentley]

19 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

 

 

Luce: French and Italian given name.

 

I knew a lass named Luce from Loos. Her bowel was loose. As  there were no loos in Loos, she had to loosen her knicker elastic over some loess. What a loser!

 

That's my last word.

[Nick]

As we are still in the fight and its in our hands - Claudio gets the window then till the end of the season for me - we owe him that whatever.

 

 

[sylofox]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

As we are still in the fight and its in our hands - Claudio gets the window then till the end of the season for me - we owe him that whatever.

 

 

When you say he gets the window what do you mean?

 

Is it pick an office window as opposed to the stairs?

Or the transfer window

[Buce]

10 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I knew a lass named Luce from Loos. Her bowel was loose. As  there were no loos in Loos, she had to loosen her knicker elastic over some loess. What a loser!

 

That's my last word.

 

 

Slack day at work, Alf?

[erlee]

>> Fvck me, remember div 3?  Remember struggling to avoid relegation from the champ? Remember the almost monthly manager roundabout?

 

we remember.. that's why we do not want to revisit those years..

but right now - the possibilities of that happening is immense

 

we are playing sh&t football.. and we are losing at the same time

[midland_red]

I believe the discussion of NP and comparisons with CR are pretty irrelevant.

His relationship with the owners broke irretrievably and cannot be restored, and I fear that he didn't learn those lessons at Direby.

For the record, I believe he was a great manager who did no much for us, but he diminished himself by standing up for that scrote of a son. Neither do I believe that we would have won the league last year if he had stayed- CR's tactical expertise really showed.

The question, really, is how long should the owners give CR? On paper, after last year he ought to have earned the right to see this through. The owners gave NP much longer. However times - and expectations have changed dramatically.

My question is what exactly is going to change things around?

There are  only obvious changes we can see

1) the return of Drinky and Kasper. But both have been present for most of the season, when the decline was obvious, starting at Dull

2) the possibility of buying in the transfer window. But it will be harder to recruit now than in the summer, and suppose someone comes for Drinky? The window is a double edged sword after all

I'm not sure we can rely on these two changes.

I really hope the owners are asking searching questions of CR now. We all have to forget about last year. If CR does not change something we could easily go down. I can't believe that prospect is at all acceptable to the owners

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

Loos - Rebecca. Trouble (Allegedly) 

[foxy boxing]

dat dat dat dat dat dat

your specialist subject is Leicester City

Question : how long do you give Claudio? pass

you have thirteen points, you passed on the question. how long do you give Claudio and the answer is of course?............

at the end of the competition you will  finish with ? points

do you have to be a mastermind to work it out. i don't know, does anybody know?

[Barky]

LUS - the Lafayette Utilities System

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, shen said:

I guess the staff need blame for not contingency planning in case Kanté left, but then again there are virtually no players out there of his calibre in his position available to us. We struck unexpected gold with him and it seems we were naïve enough to believe we could maintain a similar level of performance with (in theory) slightly inferior quality in the middle. How wrong they were.

 

We tried hard for the players you mentioned, but we were going to pay way, way over the odds for them. It's insane that Burnley, Norwich and Watford rejected our approaches for those astronomical sums. Considering we didn't spend a crazy amount of money on a team that became actual fooking champions (the more I see of us this season, the less I can believe we achieved what we did), you can understand the club not wanting to be held to ransom.

 

We could easily play 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 as you suggest. We still have Schlupp and Albrighton who were excellent in those roles during the great escape. For a 4-3-3, Drinkwater, King/Mendy and Amartey would absolutely have been and option with Musa/Vardy wide, Slimani up front and Mahrez on the right in a free role. Gray, Okazaki, Chilwell, Ulloa, James, Benalouane, Hernandez, Wasilewski, Kapustka, Zieler all giving us fine strength in depth/backup options. I really do not see us being less flexible than last season, quite the contrary.

I understand that one of the major reasons for success for the past 20-22 months is down to the stability and consistency in tactics and team selection, but somewhere you draw the line....

You're right there's very few Kante alternatives to still go 4-4-2 which is the point that Ranieri failed to grasp in the summer. He didn't take it seriously enough that the key ingredient to us being allowed to play that formation so successfully was Kante, replace him with an inferior player and it opens up a world of hidden gremlins such as an aging defence and inverted wingers that no longer produce any joy. None of us could foresee Mendy being injured but given the likelihood that 4-4-2 wasn't going to be as potent as it was with Kante we always needed at least one more central midfielder and he waited until the last week of the transfer window to really try and get one. It's Ranieri's fault and his stubbornness to refuse to change it after a horrible start to the season is unacceptable.

[shen]

12 hours ago, ozleicester said:

We really have some shit supporters and attitudes. 

 

The team needs adjustment and change but you dont just sack the manager (especially one of the best in the world )  after a few poor results. You give them a chance to restructure. You give them the confidence to try things. You give them TIME!

 

Fvck me, remember div 3?  Remember struggling to avoid relegation from the champ? Remember the almost monthly manager roundabout?