Itsthejoeker Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 10 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: I've worked extensively with Homeless individuals over the course of my career. It's sad for me reading attitudes like the ones above. Prior to becoming homeless many people describe their lives as you and I would do now. Something happens: An affair, a change in mental health, berievement, a business deal going sour, betrayal a mad night out resulting in a criminal conviction etc... and before they knew it they had used up the good will of friends or were to embarrassed at their situation and went off grid...... People should be slower to judge because you never know what next year may bring you. Good man, there's some right self entitled twats on here sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 The story wasnt quite as dark. BUT they did not deny the employees attitude or response. Typical of an opinion propogated by the media and swallowed by the easily led public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 11 minutes ago, ozleicester said: The story wasnt quite as dark. BUT they did not deny the employees attitude or response. Typical of an opinion propogated by the media and swallowed by the easily led public The only thing propagated by the media was the actual story, which you've said yourself wasn't as dark as was propagated by the non MSM . The normal press isn't trying to push an opinion here but a pressure group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 13 minutes ago, ozleicester said: The story wasnt quite as dark. BUT they did not deny the employees attitude or response. Typical of an opinion propogated by the media and swallowed by the easily led public I wonder if they are both telling the truth, his things did get wet by accident whilst asleep. When he was woken, he was taunted by a **** of a security guard and naturally assumed it had been done purposely. atleast Debenhams have done the right thing and replaced his things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripeyfox Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 8 minutes ago, Strokes said: I wonder if they are both telling the truth, his things did get wet by accident whilst asleep. When he was woken, he was taunted by a **** of a security guard and naturally assumed it had been done purposely. atleast Debenhams have done the right thing and replaced his things. This sounds about right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1742 Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 12 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: I've worked extensively with Homeless individuals over the course of my career. It's sad for me reading attitudes like the ones above. Prior to becoming homeless many people describe their lives as you and I would do now. Something happens: An affair, a change in mental health, berievement, a business deal going sour, betrayal a mad night out resulting in a criminal conviction etc... and before they knew it they had used up the good will of friends or were to embarrassed at their situation and went off grid...... People should be slower to judge because you never know what next year may bring you. So according to Debenhams it was an unfortunate accident. So someone isn't telling the truth, either him or Debenhams??? Working with homeless people you will be aware then that my point is correct. The point that they are contacted weekly and offered assistance in many ways. You will also therefore know that some flatly refuse assistance, won't engage and whatever help people like you offer them they cannot be helped. So so I reiterate, if you get people like that I would prefer not to engage with them myself and would not trust them. I think Soulsby quoted that in Leicester that they can't deal with about 30% of the homeless people in any way as they refuse help. Its all good and moral being nice to everyone and seeing good etc, but some people can't be helped and I took the original post about the guy being soaked on purpose with a pinch of salt as there is a good chance he has made another poor decision when having a conversation of sorts with the security staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 1 minute ago, Rob1742 said: So according to Debenhams it was an unfortunate accident. So someone isn't telling the truth, either him or Debenhams??? Working with homeless people you will be aware then that my point is correct. The point that they are contacted weekly and offered assistance in many ways. You will also therefore know that some flatly refuse assistance, won't engage and whatever help people like you offer them they cannot be helped. So so I reiterate, if you get people like that I would prefer not to engage with them myself and would not trust them. I think Soulsby quoted that in Leicester that they can't deal with about 30% of the homeless people in any way as they refuse help. Its all good and moral being nice to everyone and seeing good etc, but some people can't be helped and I took the original post about the guy being soaked on purpose with a pinch of salt as there is a good chance he has made another poor decision when having a conversation of sorts with the security staff. Yeah. You still don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 1 hour ago, Rob1742 said: there is a good chance he has made another poor decision when having a conversation of sorts with the security staff. Really? Why not just say what you think, that the homeless guy was an arse and got in the face of the security guard when being asked to move on? Cos, obviously, you were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: Yeah. You still don't get it. He's on the troll dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 13 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: I've worked extensively with Homeless individuals over the course of my career. It's sad for me reading attitudes like the ones above. Prior to becoming homeless many people describe their lives as you and I would do now. Something happens: An affair, a change in mental health, berievement, a business deal going sour, betrayal a mad night out resulting in a criminal conviction etc... and before they knew it they had used up the good will of friends or were to embarrassed at their situation and went off grid...... People should be slower to judge because you never know what next year may bring you. Bah Nick, I wont be homeless next year, I'd put my mortgage on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adejo92 Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 Media rubbish, it probably rained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1742 Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 42 minutes ago, Parafox said: Really? Why not just say what you think, that the homeless guy was an arse and got in the face of the security guard when being asked to move on? Cos, obviously, you were there. I did say what I thought. Pretty simple to see my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB11 Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 14 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: I've worked extensively with Homeless individuals over the course of my career. It's sad for me reading attitudes like the ones above. Prior to becoming homeless many people describe their lives as you and I would do now. Something happens: An affair, a change in mental health, berievement, a business deal going sour, betrayal a mad night out resulting in a criminal conviction etc... and before they knew it they had used up the good will of friends or were to embarrassed at their situation and went off grid...... People should be slower to judge because you never know what next year may bring you. Why have you quoted me? I am being slow to judge because I want some actual evidence it's happened otherwise I'd just be judging the security guard. You've literally supported what I've said by telling me that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 29 December 2016 Share Posted 29 December 2016 3 hours ago, DB11 said: Why have you quoted me? I am being slow to judge because I want some actual evidence it's happened otherwise I'd just be judging the security guard. You've literally supported what I've said by telling me that Perhaps it was making the presupposition regarding 'sympathy donations' and questioning the integrity of the complainant suggesting he was making the story up that demonstrated a prejudice toward the demographic? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 30 December 2016 Author Share Posted 30 December 2016 I wonder if the bloke would have his possessions replaced if it was not for social media or groups bringing it to the public's attention? Would the mainstream media had reported it? You may not like these groups but they provide a voice for those not in a position to speak for themselves and counteract the misconceptions about those less unfortunate than ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 30 December 2016 Share Posted 30 December 2016 16 minutes ago, Rincewind said: I wonder if the bloke would have his possessions replaced if it was not for social media or groups bringing it to the public's attention? Would the mainstream media had reported it? You may not like these groups but they provide a voice for those not in a position to speak for themselves and counteract the misconceptions about those less unfortunate than ourselves. What I don't like Ken, is the amount of support they get before any actual facts are presented. The alleged perpetrator is often already been found guilty and motive determined, long before any evidence shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 December 2016 Share Posted 30 December 2016 Funny how a certain someone in here seemed to care a lot less about the treatment of the homeless when it was animal rights activists taking a homeless man's dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 30 December 2016 Author Share Posted 30 December 2016 That was not me. Sometimes the dog is the persons only friend and is treated well. Unfortunately not all overnight shelters will or are unable to provide for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 December 2016 Share Posted 30 December 2016 5 hours ago, Rincewind said: That was not me. Sometimes the dog is the persons only friend and is treated well. Unfortunately not all overnight shelters will or are unable to provide for them. Think most of us know who it was. Will be too spineless to confront his off the scale hypocrisy as usual though I'd imagine. the incident in question was nothing to do with over night shelters it makes this particular issue look like a school ground spat. He was basically mugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 December 2016 Share Posted 30 December 2016 35 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Think most of us know who it was. Will be too spineless to confront his off the scale hypocrisy as usual though I'd imagine. the incident in question was nothing to do with over night shelters it makes this particular issue look like a school ground spat. He was basically mugged. Who was it....Alan Sheehan?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 6 January 2017 Share Posted 6 January 2017 Kinda dubious ethically in some ways but this medical student has just spent a month living on the streets of London to raise money for a homeless charity - interesting read.... https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jan/06/what-learned-sleeping-rough-london Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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