RoyFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 Apparently quite lazy, hasn't played many games each season, av score rate. Italian's who've only played in Serie A have a hit rate of success of about 1 in 20 (edited)in the PL. It's a massive no from me. Ilicic is a big yes though, as @AKCJ suggests.
Bunyip Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: Can play as a centre-forward and even in a CAM role. His shots from distance ought to be insane. The type of player we need up front to add alternatives to Shinji. Mahrez seems wasted in the centre. He won't get anywhere near that amount of space in the premiership.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 32 minutes ago, ealingfox said: They are all from over 15 years ago, when Serie A was decent. Recent years have been full of shite. Lamela? Coutinho? Pogba? Alonso? Not saying this guy is going to be decent but there'll be a risk wherever you buy from. The Bundesliga has provided flops, as have Ligue 1 and La Liga.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 10 minutes ago, RoyFox said: Italian's who've only played in Serie A have a hit rate of success of about 1 in 30, in the PL. Do you have any stats to back this up?
RoyFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: Do you have any stats to back this up? actually about 1-20 my bad, still very poor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players
RoyFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 10 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: Lamela? Coutinho? Pogba? Alonso? Not saying this guy is going to be decent but there'll be a risk wherever you buy from. The Bundesliga has provided flops, as have Ligue 1 and La Liga. Non Italians have a much better success rate from Serie A
Spiritwalker Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 3 hours ago, Abrasive fox said: His agent hawking him around - he's literally been linked with every mid table PL club going.... Well that rules us out then.
fuchsntf Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 Not the type of player we need, not at that price... Seriously would question all our Italian connections and staff, if he came in.!!
Strokes Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 2 hours ago, RoyFox said: actually about 1-20 my bad, still very poor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players There is 63 italians in that list, are you saying only 3 are a success?
HoustonFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 2 hours ago, RoyFox said: actually about 1-20 my bad, still very poor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: There is 63 italians in that list, are you saying only 3 are a success? Benito Carbone Carlo Cudicini Paulo Di Canio Stefano Eranio Attilio Lombardo Roberto Mancini Angelo Ogbonna Stefano Okaka (so far) Graziano Pelle Fabrizio Ravanelli Alessandro Pistone Gianluca Vialli Gianfranco Zola None of them were / are exactly flops. Might add Nicola Berti too
Strokes Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 3 minutes ago, HoustonFox said: Benito Carbone Carlo Cudicini Paulo Di Canio Stefano Eranio Attilio Lombardo Roberto Mancini Angelo Ogbonna Stefano Okaka (so far) Graziano Pelle Fabrizio Ravanelli Alessandro Pistone Gianluca Vialli Gianfranco Zola None of them were / are exactly flops. Might add Nicola Berti too That was going to be my point, i make it about 1 in 3.5, which is hardy terrible.
HoustonFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 Just now, Strokes said: That was going to be my point, i make it about 1 in 3.5, which is hardy terrible. Gave me something to do while I ate my lunch
HighPeakFox Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 I love this thread, given the wild success of English players abroad....
STUHILL Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 Never heard of him and his scoring record is a bit pants! Rather keep Ulloa, if this is the kind of replacement we are taking a chance on
Will1981 Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 4 hours ago, HoustonFox said: Benito Carbone Carlo Cudicini Paulo Di Canio Stefano Eranio Attilio Lombardo Roberto Mancini Angelo Ogbonna Stefano Okaka (so far) Graziano Pelle Fabrizio Ravanelli Alessandro Pistone Gianluca Vialli Gianfranco Zola None of them were / are exactly flops. Might add Nicola Berti too Mancini was a massive flop for us.
Nick Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 According to the Mirror in the BBC Gossip column Southampton are after for him with a bid of £17million...... seems rather large!
Guest Papasmurf Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 12 hours ago, Will1981 said: Mancini was a massive flop for us. He played an handful of games under Peter Taylor.
desertfox2 Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 13 hours ago, Will1981 said: Mancini was a massive flop for us. He only played a few games for us tbf and was at the end of his career. Saw him play at Filbert Street when we drew with Arsenal 0-0 I think, he had a fairly decent game. No pace whatsoever but you could tell he used to be class.
Will1981 Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 22 minutes ago, desertfox2 said: He only played a few games for us tbf and was at the end of his career. Saw him play at Filbert Street when we drew with Arsenal 0-0 I think, he had a fairly decent game. No pace whatsoever but you could tell he used to be class. 1 hour ago, Papasmurf said: He played an handful of games under Peter Taylor. I was just replying to the guy who used him as an example as a player from Italy who was a success in the premier league as he was definetly not a success although there is no doubt he was a class player when he was younger in the Serie A.
artursteppe Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 14 hours ago, Will1981 said: Mancini was a massive flop for us. You obviously never saw him. Genius, but only played half a dozen times for us before he got a coaching role in Italy.
Stadt Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 He's the type of forward we should be profiling but he's never really impressed wherever he's gone. We need a mobile, hardworking second striker but not Gabbiadini
artursteppe Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 His stats may not be top rate as a main striker, but that sort of player would cost £30M plus. Fewer goals scored per game in Italy, so he could be a 12/14 goals a season second striker (Okazaki role) if his work rate is what we would want. ( Only 25 years old ). That sort of player would cost £17M or more nowadays. 4-2-3-1 formation he could fit in.
BenTheFox Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 Do we need a striker? I mean it's not a bad thing to have many attacking options, but that kinda money would be better spent elsewhere.
desertfox2 Posted 5 January 2017 Posted 5 January 2017 1 hour ago, Will1981 said: I was just replying to the guy who used him as an example as a player from Italy who was a success in the premier league as he was definetly not a success although there is no doubt he was a class player when he was younger in the Serie A. Missed the first bit. Yeah you're right there, in no way whatsoever was he a success in the prem. Shadow of his former self. Anyone else remember at that time we had some tie up with Inter. Lasted about the 4 games we had Mancini on loan then died a death...
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