Bench Vardy

[NotTheMarketLeader]

2 hours ago, shade said:

can't vardy and the other striker drop deep, to the half way line, meaning the defence either has to come with them, or stay deep allowing them to receive a pass and turn and run.

This is what I said a few weeks ago, all this nomsense about 'he is shit' is just that.

 

We have to get the ball to him so he can run with it at his feet. 

 

We know in these circumstances he is unplayable. Yes he'd start 10 or 15 yds further back but we have to adapt and get him involved.

 

If he dropped short took the ball to feet and ran at the defence from 40 yards out, what would happen.

 

- sometimes he'd be tackled

 

- sometimes he's draw a foul

 

- a sometimes a chance for himself or others would be created

 

I have said this on another thread but is there another player who has been so devastating that every team has changed their set up or game plan completely to nullify one person?  Most teams don't play their own game against us - their first thought is stopping him. 

 

I wish a little more thought had gone into how to utilise this 'match winner' to better effect knowing how the opposition will play.

 

On this basis I think the stick he has got is totally out or order, and the BBC article proves it. 

 

 

 

 

[jon1bc]

2 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

On this basis I think the stick he has got is totally out or order, and the BBC article proves it. 

Absolutely my sentiment. Some people are too quick to perceive a loss ass lack of effort... and a after a win, everything is sugar coated...to the point where some would rather Musa start ahead of Vardy

[USFox]

Absolutely bench Vardy. If your striker doesn't score then its time for a change. Simple as that.

[drofmor55]

Perhaps Vardy will magically get his sharpness back....getting close to the glamour tie with Seville......he wouldnt want to miss out on that would he

[Bossman Blessed It]

Never will you see such animosity towards a striker who gets one chance every two games, has to get involved with hoofball every time our back four has it, and the only time they have a chance to run on to a ball it's 40 yards away from them with 3 defenders easily getting there first. Jozy Altidore played 42 games for Sunderland and scored one goal. Jermaine Beckford got sent off the other day for trying to deck his own teammate. Point being, the BBC stats show he's still working hard in games and despite his off the field presence in the media, he turned down a move to Arsenal to stay with us, knowing it wouldn't be as easy, which says a lot in my opinion. 

 

None of Vardy's goals last year came from any profound technical ability - it was pure running in behind and endeavour. He proved against Man City that if he's given support in doing this, he obviously will. Those suggesting that he adapt his game requires the entire team to do so - he can't all of a sudden start dropping really deep if Wes or Huth leather it to the other end of the pitch regardless (which, as we all know, they can and will). Hopefully, Ranieri's conversation with him and Mahrez involved a decent chinwag about how they can start feeding the ball to one another in a slightly different system. 

[Chico1958]

I think, he plays for 45 minutes with his new best friend Rihad

 

If that fails, get Slim or Leo on and bomb the Penalty area with cross after cross

 

Hopefully all the differences between individuals has been sorted and we can get on with getting some harmony back in the dressing room

 

Hopefully

[Struwwelpeter60]

2 hours ago, USFox said:

Absolutely bench Vardy. If your striker doesn't score then its time for a change. Simple as that.

According to your logic, we would also  have to bench  Musa, Gray,

Mahrez, Okazaki and Ulloa , because they all have scored even

fewer goals than Vardy in the PL. Only Slimani equals him with 5.

[Struwwelpeter60]

31 minutes ago, Chico1958 said:

I think, he plays for 45 minutes with his new best friend Rihad

 

If that fails, get Slim or Leo on and bomb the Penalty area with cross after cross

 

Hopefully all the differences between individuals has been sorted and we can get on with getting some harmony back in the dressing room

 

Hopefully

Ulloa unfit to play, Slimani not 100% sure.

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This is what I said a few weeks ago, all this nomsense about 'he is shit' is just that.

 

We have to get the ball to him so he can run with it at his feet. 

 

We know in these circumstances he is unplayable. Yes he'd start 10 or 15 yds further back but we have to adapt and get him involved.

 

If he dropped short took the ball to feet and ran at the defence from 40 yards out, what would happen.

 

- sometimes he'd be tackled

 

- sometimes he's draw a foul

 

- a sometimes a chance for himself or others would be created

 

I have said this on another thread but is there another player who has been so devastating that every team has changed their set up or game plan completely to nullify one person?  Most teams don't play their own game against us - their first thought is stopping him. 

 

I wish a little more thought had gone into how to utilise this 'match winner' to better effect knowing how the opposition will play.

 

On this basis I think the stick he has got is totally out or order, and the BBC article proves it. 

 

 

 

 

Spot on..

[foxinsocks]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This is what I said a few weeks ago, all this nomsense about 'he is shit' is just that.

 

We have to get the ball to him so he can run with it at his feet. 

 

We know in these circumstances he is unplayable. Yes he'd start 10 or 15 yds further back but we have to adapt and get him involved.

 

If he dropped short took the ball to feet and ran at the defence from 40 yards out, what would happen.

 

- sometimes he'd be tackled

 

- sometimes he's draw a foul

 

- a sometimes a chance for himself or others would be created

 

I have said this on another thread but is there another player who has been so devastating that every team has changed their set up or game plan completely to nullify one person?  Most teams don't play their own game against us - their first thought is stopping him. 

 

I wish a little more thought had gone into how to utilise this 'match winner' to better effect knowing how the opposition will play.

 

On this basis I think the stick he has got is totally out or order, and the BBC article proves it. 

 

 

 

 

This is on the right lines.  Cleerly vardy needs a functioning mid field to win and play the ball into space... sometimes he'd flick it on and then chase it himself.

 

My only worry is  that on the rare occasions he's got thru lately he has not been as direct and hasn't pulled the trigger.

When he ran into the box last year he drew a lot of pens...

[Guest Danny Clender]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

On this basis I think the stick he has got is totally out or order, and the BBC article proves it. 

 

 

 

 

Whilst I completely agree with what you're saying in terms of the stats pointing towards our lack of utilising him best and giving him the adequate service. I don't agree that it proves it.

Analysis is a wonderful thing, but in 3 or 4 years time, somebody will state "oh yeah, that was the season Vardy was crud", you would argue back with what's said in the BBC analysis, but still I reckon the person that's stated "oh yeah, that was the season Vardy was crud" would have they strongest case because they would simply point to the fact he scored a low number of goals in that season as our number 1 striker. 

Goals matter, he isn't scoring and he's had chances that last season he would have put away. 

I think he's a confidence player, I'd love to have a chat with him, see what's inside his head. 

 

I hope he can change his game and prove his doubters wrong, including me, for the remainder of this season. 

 

[Chico1958]

30 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Ulloa unfit to play, Slimani not 100% sure.

Well that's ruined my plan

 

You got one  ?     

[jon1bc]

At the end of the day he's proven prolific goalscorer in the Premiership and this isn't historic.. it was last season.

 

As it stands, all our strikers are in a similar boat - somewhat lacking in goals and I don’t think they're entirely to blame but my point is, we know Vardy is capable so you really have to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he was missing numerous chances, the fair enough..but he hasn't.

 

 

[Struwwelpeter60]

17 minutes ago, Chico1958 said:

Well that's ruined my plan

 

You got one  ?     

Yeah, a real nifty one.

We use Huth up front as targetman.

That will, at least, keep them wondering,

what the hell is going on.

And while they are still confused, we score twice

and kill off the game.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that

plan?

[volpeazzurro]

5 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

Bobby Robson helped Shearer change his game (- help that was poorly repaid bu shearer...). At 30 there will soon come a time when vardy needs a plan b also... maybe it has come?

 

IMO his life is way to complex now for him to focus on sorting football out... before football just took care of itself for him... but now he must prioritize working on his game.  I Wonder what help rebekah (aka yoko) will be?

I think you make a very good point, it's all about dedication and application. This is why someone like Rooney, in my humble opinion has never,  despite the hype otherwise, has never been any more than a very good club player. Smoking, diet and crap pre- seasons have caught up with him. 

 

Vardy the same. From obscurity, had a real chance but booze, chewing tobacco, Red Bull, OK magazine and a false belief that he was a super star already is taking it's toll. He's just another chav that if he doesn't get his head down quickly will be overtaken by lads of just over 20yrs which would be a huge shame. Finding another way if necessary would have cemented an England place. Probably the reason he bottled Arsenal, because he knew they wouldn't stand for it and he'd soon be found out.

[Chico1958]

17 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Yeah, a real nifty one.

We use Huth up front as targetman.

That will, at least, keep them wondering,

what the hell is going on.

And while they are still confused, we score twice

and kill off the game.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that

plan?

That could be a plan

 

We did something similar with MON

 

Steve Walsh and Matt Elliott did it with good effect

 

So send the idea to Claudio, you could be on to something   

[ARTY_FOX]

He's been nothing short of disgraceful at times this season

[jon1bc]

12 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He's been nothing short of disgraceful at times this season

that's a bit strong.. suggest you change your profile pic

[USFox]

3 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

According to your logic, we would also  have to bench  Musa, Gray,

Mahrez, Okazaki and Ulloa , because they all have scored even

fewer goals than Vardy in the PL. Only Slimani equals him with 5.

By my logic we should definitely bench Musa, Okazaki and Ulloa yes. That's why they're.....well on the bench. Mahrez and Gray are wingers who's first job is to facilitate not score, therefor this doesn't apply to them. 

[tetly]

It would be interesting to know all the data on him last season and this. Top speed sprints and distance ran shots etc. Is it lack of effort or just bad form.

 

[Wymsey]

Should be given less game time in PL games now imo, as his performances make me to perceive that he thinks he's got nothing to prove now after breaking Van Nistelrooy's consecutive goal record. Give Gray a chance up front alongside Slimani, but not Musa (put him on the wing only).

 

Start him in CL games, as it will appeal to him that potentially scoring a few for himself will increase global media attention on him with his rise to the global stage etc and make a better name for himself (and wife probably too).

 

 

[ARM1968]

Hit him with the bench and knock some sense into the chav cnut. 

[foxes21]

he's not been getting any service, however at the same time he isn't adapting his game. teams are obviously sitting deep, but he's still trying to play on the shoulder. if he came 10 yards deeper along with whoever is CAM and helped link the play on the ground, both he and our performances would improve greatly.

 

 

[ARTY_FOX]

2 hours ago, jon1bc said:

that's a bit strong.. suggest you change your profile pic

I love the bloke for what he's done why he's been here but if you disagree you can't have watched much. He's just walked around in so many games not bothere'd to put any effort in what so ever. Times where last season he sprints onto it. This season he doesn't even bother turning to sprint.

[foxtillidrop]

I bet his sprint speed has dropped since the first half of last season.

Also he may have been sprinting but in which direction and in which areas of the pitch?

Anyone who has watched Vardy live since the championship days can tell he isn't at the races. He used to be like a greyhound but sadly not this season. Maybe his priorities have changed..it happens and he is only human.