Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Who is going to save us then? nobody is answering on that score are they? Who? The right question. But I fear, you won't get an answer from the Ranieri-Out faction. Why? People in panic are not able to think that far ahead.
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 32 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: The right question. But I fear, you won't get an answer from the Ranieri-Out faction. Why? People in panic are not able to think that far ahead. the same words were probably said by Hull and Swansea fans prior to their latest appointments. im sure there will be a lot of candidates can can improve on 7 games and one goal scored which is the worst record in all 4 divisions in English football
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Just now, HankMarvin said: the same words were probably said by Hull and Swansea fans prior to their latest appointments. im sure there will be a lot of candidates can can improve on 7 games and one goal scored which is the worst record in all 4 divisions in English football Names, please. Btw: Liverpool has won only one of their last 10 games
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 22 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Names, please. Btw: Liverpool has won only one of their last 10 games David Wagner Karanka Monk Eduardo Berizzo Vincenzo Montella Marcelo Gallardo Jorge Jesus Was talking about attacking record
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: David Wagner Karanka Monk Eduardo Berizzo Frank De Boer Marcelo Gallardo Jorge Jesus Was talking about attacking record With the exception of De Boer, all have a job, that is better, than what would be waiting for them here. Why should they come, and why should their clubs let them go? And why should De Boer, who failed at Inter after only 3 months, be a success at LCFC?
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Edited before your reply 20th richest club in world football money talks leeds and Huddersfield are better? Celta vigo? river plate? sure. Karanka has fallen out with the board on numerous occasions over transfer dealings.
Callabinho Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 You just need to look at Claudio's career to see why he needs to go...he's never been able to salvage a shit situation when things go Pete tong under his stewardship. He's brilliant at coming in and picking up the pieces from somebody else, however when it comes to carrying that on he always fails...and that's not an opinion, it's a fact..... He isn't exactly a young dynamic manager, so why would he change now? People used to criticise Pearson for being tactically naive but Claudio this season has been inept......last year has give Ranieri a false image, he is still the same man with the same flaws, and that will never change. The last thing we've got to try in an attempt to save our season is change the manager, if Ranieri stays we will go down, in fact I don't think we will win another league game all season if he stays..... You can blame the players all you want, however they spend more time in his company than we do, they've been at the club longer than he has, they have dragged this club from the bottom to the top, so you're backing Claudio over them? Once you lose the dressing room you're done, there is no return...there is no way that Vardy and Drinky are playing for this man, the longer he stays the longer that will continue.
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 What is clear is that there are no arguments that are going to sway the 'Ranieri-in' camp. People have made their mind up and debate is futile. We have to hope the players somehow respond to his management, that they start to take some bloody pride in themselves and that this gets turned around. I, for one, do not want to see this football club go from the Champions of England to relegation, in successive seasons. If this happens it would border on ridiculous. Here's hoping he and they can sort it.
dayday Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Even if we keep Ranieri do you trust him taking us forward? , looking at this season and the recruitment I would a definite no
Dickov22 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 7 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: The right question. But I fear, you won't get an answer from the Ranieri-Out faction. Why? People in panic are not able to think that far ahead. Youre right! Who couldn't possibly improve on a manager who has won two league games since September, who changes the team WEEKLY who changes the formation WEEKLY whom we know has created serious unrest in probably the most spirited and together dressing room this club has ever had. Just getting him out is a start. Do not underestimate A) the lack of involvement he had last season in our league win B) the increased involvement he has had this season and decreased involvement of key backroom staff whom he now ignores.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 February 2017 Author Posted 7 February 2017 1 hour ago, dayday said: Even if we keep Ranieri do you trust him taking us forward? , looking at this season and the recruitment I would a definite no I think we have to trust those running the club to get that decision right anyway
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: What is clear is that there are no arguments that are going to sway the 'Ranieri-in' camp. People have made their mind up and debate is futile. Whereas you're well known for considering reasoned argument and accepting you were wrong... 56 minutes ago, Dickov22 said: Just getting him out is a start. Do not underestimate A) the lack of involvement he had last season in our league win B) the increased involvement he has had this season and decreased involvement of key backroom staff whom he now ignores. Revisionist bollocks - why are the ranieri out group so determined to take even last season away from him and give it to Pearson? He's got it wrong this season (although he's been hamstrung by the recruitment and players just downing tools) but he was absolutely magnificent last season.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 8 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Pearson in 2014/15 changed his formations more often than his underpants. Mate, you seriously need to get over Pearson. He left 18 months ago. Come on, look forward. Stop wishing for the past to return.
adejo92 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 It's funny because every body loved and credited Ranieri for last seasons title and if we were doing half decent this year they still would. Just because we are doing awful this season, nobody can ever take away his name from the achievement of last season.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 8 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Who is going to save us then? nobody is answering on that score are they? Who? The thing is that due to the apparent fall outs in the camp and not just with the players it's very hard to see the team pulling together under ranieri. While he can't control players making individual errors. He can control unity amongst his own coaching staff and preparation for players leaving/being absent. He does neither. there are plenty of candidates out there. I mean look at Silva at Hull and the impact he's had. How many people would've had his name too of the list when they sacked Phelan. I want a manager who looks looks after the club. It's staff. It's structure. Not one who's so stubborn it's either his way or the highway. Especially when his way has only worked once in 30 years of management. Wagner would be top of my list. Benitez another. Both are managers who seem to have long term plans. Listen to the staff at the club and adapt there style to the culture of the players.
foxinsocks Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 9 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Who else is out there that would keep us up? Its one thing wanting Ranners out but who would take over? why can't Ranners keep us up? As i have said before we have to hope the staff and players we have can do it. I think they can... however they will need to change something. .. go back to what they know they can do. They are plying with caution .... not wanting to make mistakes. I listed the things i would do. But of course i am not the manager.... I am a fan hoping that we suceed..... i believe there are ways out of this mess .... i hope cr finds one. It can be done
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 February 2017 Author Posted 7 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: The thing is that due to the apparent fall outs in the camp and not just with the players it's very hard to see the team pulling together under ranieri. While he can't control players making individual errors. He can control unity amongst his own coaching staff and preparation for players leaving/being absent. He does neither. there are plenty of candidates out there. I mean look at Silva at Hull and the impact he's had. How many people would've had his name too of the list when they sacked Phelan. I want a manager who looks looks after the club. It's staff. It's structure. Not one who's so stubborn it's either his way or the highway. Especially when his way has only worked once in 30 years of management. Wagner would be top of my list. Benitez another. Both are managers who seem to have long term plans. Listen to the staff at the club and adapt there style to the culture of the players. Mickey the one thing I will say for us all really is that we want what is best for Leicester City as if that ends up being Plan A or Plan B or Plan C we will all just have to hope it works out im not against us ever changing the manager, as far from it as you could get really, I just think we need to act appropriately in all this, to all concerned and hope that whatever we decide as a club is the best decision and hopefully best outcome it can be here is hoping we survive this season whatever we decide to do
HybridFox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 10 hours ago, reynard said: I agree but Ranieri isn't the only issue here. There hasn't been enough focus on the long term for many years. Internal player development is pathetic. For eg here is a list of our Academy players in April 2009. How many have made it here or indeed anywhere? Robbie Burns, Cain Bolger, Tom Parkes Joe Cobb, Ben Milnes, Nathan Hicks Billy Kee, Jorrin John, Elliot Chamberlain Craig King, Robert Ambrusics, Claudiu Hobin Luke O'Neill,Adam Vasey, Abdillahie Yussuf. I'm not having a dig at these guys. Pro sport is tough and not all can make it however, hard they work. But I bet I could pull up a similar list for most of the last ten years and it would produce similar results. Compare this to say Southampton. And guess who was Academy boss that year? Completely agree mate. King, Schlupp and Chilwell have been the only ones in decades and even they arent considered first choice. But again, surely that lies with the manager to make sure youth development is at the forefront. And the owners of course, to make sure such person is in charge.
Dickov22 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 25 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Whereas you're well known for considering reasoned argument and accepting you were wrong... Revisionist bollocks - why are the ranieri out group so determined to take even last season away from him and give it to Pearson? He's got it wrong this season (although he's been hamstrung by the recruitment and players just downing tools) but he was absolutely magnificent last season. I didn't mention Pearson at all. Ranieri was magnificent with the way he took the pressure off the players in the media and also improved us massively defensively. However, I know Shakey and Walsh had a lot more influence last season than Shakey enjoys now. Why do you thibk the pkayers have downed tools? I'll tell you why; because they are unhappy and confused by his constant tinkering. Someone else posted it on here and I wholeheartedly agreed: the players see him every day. We don't. Also, they've been here longer than he has.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Dickov22 said: I didn't mention Pearson at all. Ranieri was magnificent with the way he took the pressure off the players in the media and also improved us massively defensively. However, I know Shakey and Walsh had a lot more influence last season than Shakey enjoys now. Why do you thibk the pkayers have downed tools? I'll tell you why; because they are unhappy and confused by his constant tinkering. Someone else posted it on here and I wholeheartedly agreed: the players see him every day. We don't. Also, they've been here longer than he has. We were playing shit for a long time playing 442 with no tinkering. He was criticised for not changing it. More revisionist crap. Bore off
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 38 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Whereas you're well known for considering reasoned argument and accepting you were wrong... Revisionist bollocks - why are the ranieri out group so determined to take even last season away from him and give it to Pearson? He's got it wrong this season (although he's been hamstrung by the recruitment and players just downing tools) but he was absolutely magnificent last season. Yep, pretty much I am I reckon. Not from you, but I wouldn't expect owt else
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 11 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Yep, pretty much I am I reckon. Not from you, but I wouldn't expect owt else I was being sarcastic- loads on here were laying into you for your agenda against amartey and refusal to admit he'd much improved in the weeks before he went on to afcon. And the whole refusal to admit cambiasso was our best player is still mocked to this day. You're about as open to changing yourself as the people of Pompeii.
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 34 minutes ago, The Doctor said: I was being sarcastic- loads on here were laying into you for your agenda against amartey and refusal to admit he'd much improved in the weeks before he went on to afcon. And the whole refusal to admit cambiasso was our best player is still mocked to this day. You're about as open to changing yourself as the people of Pompeii. 1. Your reluctance to even discuss Ranieri's shortfalls whilst laying the entire blame at the feet of the players is frankly, laughable. You're making yourself look an idiot. 2. Cambiasso came good in the final seven games of the season, like they all did. Before then, he was ever present in a side that languished at the base of the division for months. Hardly anything to spaff over. 3. I've always blamed Ranieri for playing Amartey our of position AND over relying on him. He ain't very good imo. Stop banging the same drum and discuss things with a more open mind. Especially on this thread.
Dickov22 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 2 hours ago, bennytwohats said: We were playing shit for a long time playing 442 with no tinkering. He was criticised for not changing it. More revisionist crap. Bore off We were playing 442 with many changes in personnel you mean. I think Steve Claridge nails it here
filbertway Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 16 hours ago, The whole world smiles said: Of course he deserves time and patience to turn it around not because of sentiment, loyalty or anything daft like that but because he is a fantastic, border line world class manager whose record (short term obviously but long term too) clearly shows he has the skills to turn the ship around. HE CAME FROM ITALY! If anything, his long term record says it's pretty much a rapid decline after year one with a club.
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