Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 2 hours ago, Chico1958 said: Go on then take your pick Defenders Albin Ebondo Anthony Gardner Christopher Samba Dan Smith Danny Collins Danny Shittu David Proctor Digao Emmanuel Eboue Emmerson Boyce Fabiano Santacroce Gary Borrowdale George John George McCartney Gokhan Zan Ibrahima Sonko James Cullingworth Jlloyd Samuel Joey OBrien Jose Manuel Casado Bizcocho Justin Hoyte Kenny Strickland Kerrea Gilbert Lee Naylor Mariusz Lewandowski Martin Caceres Martin Demichelis Matteo Ferrari Michael Ciani Milan Stepanov Nikolce Noveski Oguchi Onyewu Paddy McCarthy Pascal Chimbonda Rudy Mater Ryan Taylor Sammy Traore Steven Mouyokolo Sylvain Distin Takura Mtandari Tamas Kadar Timothee Atouba Titus Bramble Valentin Iliev Yassin Moutaouakil Zan or Demichelis
cityfanlee23 Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 Cacares to Southampton on a 6 month deal and 17 miles better than what we have https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/07/southampton-set-to-sign-martin-caceres-juventus-barcelona?client=ms-android-sonymobile been calling for this one since the summer, pissed off now. Low risk high reward and we aren't even in the frame as usual.
Bossman Blessed It Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 When his name sprang up I had a similar reaction to yourself. However, as much as his experience and CV are highly commendable, the last thing we need at this very moment is a player who will undoubtedly demand a high salary and won't be fit to play at the top of his game, perhaps until he completes a pre-season in the summer. Another way to look at it is the fact that he's only played in 21 games in the past 2 seasons, many of those coming off the bench - before he did his achilles over a year ago - an injury could easily end a career and certainly will damage his pace and strength. He also has no idea about the dogfight we're in and the physical demands of the premier league. I'd say the risk would have been fairly high and I wouldn't be surprised if Southampton are left underwhelmed.
Guest Cujek Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 4 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: Cacares to Southampton on a 6 month deal and 17 miles better than what we have https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/07/southampton-set-to-sign-martin-caceres-juventus-barcelona?client=ms-android-sonymobile been calling for this one since the summer, pissed off now. Low risk high reward and we aren't even in the frame as usual. It isn't an opportunity if these people don't want to come here! You can call any target you want, but if they have no interest to play for us then they don't come, unless of course they get no better offer, ala Kunte.
Itsthejoeker Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 Rudkin: Top! Cityfanlee23 reckons we should bring this guy in! What do you think? Top: Who the **** is Cityfanlee23?
Ric Flair Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 10 hours ago, The People's Hero said: You're all jumping to the conclusion that we've not inquired...... I don't think we did personally.
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 I suspect we may have done but that it was a very short conversation based along the lines of 'who would I be playing alongside, how many games do I need to play and where are you in the table?'
Ric Flair Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 2 minutes ago, The People's Hero said: I suspect we may have done but that it was a very short conversation based along the lines of 'who would I be playing alongside, how many games do I need to play and where are you in the table?' You'll be playing at right wing for twenty minutes every 5 weeks.
MC Prussian Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 6 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: Cacares to Southampton on a 6 month deal and 17 miles better than what we have https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/07/southampton-set-to-sign-martin-caceres-juventus-barcelona?client=ms-android-sonymobile been calling for this one since the summer, pissed off now. Low risk high reward and we aren't even in the frame as usual. I'm sorry Lee, but lately, you've been quite prominent by trying to apply some kind of Football Manager wonderland logic to real football and our situation. It's not like signing any centre-back or big name is guaranteed to have a positive impact: Age, (Premier League) experience, character, persona, injury history, availability ... There's so many factors coming into play. And in Caceres' case, it's a rather risky call, given the type of injury he sustained and the amount of time he was sidelined. Hysterical behaviour won't solve our problems and neither would Caceres have done. At this stage, it smacks of desperation - keep in mind that Southampton's investment needs to pay off first. He may never be able to play professional football again.
Ric Flair Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 3 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: I'm sorry Lee, but lately, you've been quite prominent by trying to apply some kind of Football Manager wonderland logic to real football and our situation. It's not like signing any centre-back or big name is guaranteed to have a positive impact: Age, (Premier League) experience, character, persona, injury history, availability ... There's so many factors coming into play. And in Caceres' case, it's rather risky call, given the type of injury he sustained and the amount of time he was sidelined. Hysterical behaviour won't solve our problems and neither would Caceres have done. At this stage, it smacks of desperation - keep in mind that Southampton's investment needs to pay off first. He may never be able to play professional football again. Given Ranieri's knowledge of Caceres in Italy, his admission that Wague isn't ready/good enough it surprises me we didn't go after him. I admire the lack of panic from Ranieri, or is he just oblivious to the situation we are in?
MC Prussian Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Given Ranieri's knowledge of Caceres in Italy, his admission that Wague isn't ready/good enough it surprises me we didn't go after him. I admire the lack of panic from Ranieri, or is he just oblivious to the situation we are in? More like a case of Ranieri being frozen out with regards to transfer dealings, something he quite openly admitted in the Burnley post-match interview (or at least he pointed in that direction).
Ric Flair Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: More like a case of Ranieri being frozen out with regards to transfer dealings, something he quite openly admitted in the Burnley post-match interview (or at least he pointed in that direction). I cannot believe that is true. Ranieri would not work under such a farcical regime. Yes he's got help with Macia and Rudkin but he has repeated he makes the decisions. Something has gone whiffy given our lack of transfers but with limited options left in the free agent market I'm sure he could have influenced such a deal if he wanted it.
MC Prussian Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 Just now, Ric Flair said: I cannot believe that is true. Ranieri would not work under such a farcical regime. Yes he's got help with Macia and Rudkin but he has repeated he makes the decisions. Something has gone whiffy given our lack of transfers but with limited options left in the free agent market I'm sure he could have influenced such a deal if he wanted it. He was asked about the announcement of the Wagué signing (announced at 10pm that night), to which Ranieri replied (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know, I'm just the (head) coach, not the manager". To me, that sounds like the transfer was either ratified without his prior knowledge or against his will.
sylofox Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 48 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: He was asked about the announcement of the Wagué signing (announced at 10pm that night), to which Ranieri replied (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know, I'm just the (head) coach, not the manager". To me, that sounds like the transfer was either ratified without his prior knowledge or against his will. Or perhaps he had more on his mind than a loan signing. We had just lost and he would have known little about it. Unless he was sat on his phone all match listening to the talks.
FoxinNotts Posted 16 February 2017 Posted 16 February 2017 http://www.skysports.com/share/10770753 So poor that we missed out on this guy. Such a piss poor transfer policy of ours. We should have had him and his international mate Gaston Ramirez. Then we would be so much more confident in getting out of this shitty mess following two solid signings, in the two key positions in which we desperately needed to strengthen. Why can we all see the failings, yet those that need to, can't?
HighPeakFox Posted 16 February 2017 Posted 16 February 2017 3 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said: http://www.skysports.com/share/10770753 So poor that we missed out on this guy. Such a piss poor transfer policy of ours. We should have had him and his international mate Gaston Ramirez. Then we would be so much more confident in getting out of this shitty mess following two solid signings, in the two key positions in which we desperately needed to strengthen. Why can we all see the failings, yet those that need to, can't? My best guess is that we don't know the half of anything, and nothing is as straightforward as it might appear on the face of it...
FoxinNotts Posted 16 February 2017 Posted 16 February 2017 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: My best guess is that we don't know the half of anything, and nothing is as straightforward as it might appear on the face of it... Fair comment
Foxhampton Posted 16 February 2017 Posted 16 February 2017 Maybe we don't want to, or dont have, the money at the moment to fund any more high wage signings?
Sly Posted 17 February 2017 Posted 17 February 2017 People do realise he ruptured his Achilles' tendon and hasn't played any high level football since? Those injuries finish careers. This is reason he hasn't been picked up since the summer as he's seen as a massive gamble. Not sure how close he'll be to match fitness or if he's been training with anyone?
FoxinNotts Posted 17 February 2017 Posted 17 February 2017 38 minutes ago, Sly said: People do realise he ruptured his Achilles' tendon and hasn't played any high level football since? Those injuries finish careers. This is reason he hasn't been picked up since the summer as he's seen as a massive gamble. Not sure how close he'll be to match fitness or if he's been training with anyone? All true, but Southampton have done extensive medicals on him. They appear to be happy. We could have too.
Sly Posted 17 February 2017 Posted 17 February 2017 14 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said: All true, but Southampton have done extensive medicals on him. They appear to be happy. We could have too. Only time will tell with this one.
reynard Posted 17 February 2017 Posted 17 February 2017 Even had we signed him I can hear Ranieri's comments now "no no no He's not ready yet. He play in under 23s And I have a look..."
FoxonMaui Posted 18 February 2017 Posted 18 February 2017 Why, why, why were we not in for this guy. Totally fit what we needed and not a sign of any interest from the club!! It seems like when Walsh left our transfer policy went out the window. It is significant that the moment Walsh arrived at Everton he brought in Gueye for 7m. It was obvious that he was quality, even in that awful Villa side last season. If we had had him at the start of our season I think we would have faired much better.
Brainy Posted 18 February 2017 Posted 18 February 2017 Maybe we didn't sign him because we weren't interested?
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