President Trump & the USA

[EnderbyFox]

33 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47860012

 

An interesting longshot candidate?

 

My longshot is Andrew Yang. Running on a platform promising a form of Universal Basic income of giving each American (over 18) $1000 a month. Running as a Democrat

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

 

My longshot is Andrew Yang. Running on a platform promising a form of Universal Basic income of giving each American (over 18) $1000 a month. Running as a Democrat

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

One of my American buddies is very enthusiastic about Yang, too.

 

Think it might be a cycle or two too soon for him, too, but I can perhaps see him or Buttigieg being offered a running mate post by one of the other candidates that would give them good capital for the future.

[Grebfromgrebland]

13 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Can Jews really be white nationalists though? 

Yes I've met lots of Israeli Jews who are incredibly racist. Alarmingly so. 

 

I've also meet lots of great Israeli Jewish people.

 

 

[MC Prussian]

Immensely looking forward to the publication of the Mueller Report next week. Will be redacted, but still... Hopefully, it'll finally end all the speculation and the mostly liberal US media can turn to something else to lose their shit over.

[leicsmac]

51 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Immensely looking forward to the publication of the Mueller Report next week. Will be redacted, but still... Hopefully, it'll finally end all the speculation and the mostly liberal US media can turn to something else to lose their shit over.

Indeed. Perhaps they could work shedding more light on events like this and what exactly has caused a reasonably recent resurgence in them:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47898572

[leicsmac]

Or, perhaps, the forthcoming challenge to Roe v Wade which was obviously going to emerge once Gorsuch and Kauvanagh were confirmed:

 

https://radio.wosu.org/post/dewine-signs-heartbeat-bill-banning-most-abortions-ohio#stream/0

[MC Prussian]

49 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Indeed. Perhaps they could work shedding more light on events like this and what exactly has caused a reasonably recent resurgence in them:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47898572

Where's the resurgence?

 

I can think of four to five events in the past two years of mass shootings. But apart from that?

 

Also, for the NAACP to call the burning of three churches "domestic terrorism" comes across as rather hysteric.

According to the report, he was acting on his own and has no previous criminal background and no criminal record.

I'm glad no one got killed and I am sad to see the buildings down and with that history gone forever.

Edited 11 April 2019 by MC Prussian

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Where's the resurgence?

 

I can think of four to five events in the past two years of mass shootings. But apart from that?

 

Also, for the NAACP to call the burning of three churches "domestic terrorism" comes across as rather hysteric.

According to the report, he was acting on his own and has no previous criminal background and no criminal record.

I'm glad no one got killed and I am sad to see the buildings down and with that history gone forever.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/20/donald-trump-doesnt-think-white-nationalism-rise-d/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47626859

 

Data shows a pretty clear rise...however there is a pertinent part in the Beeb article worth quoting: "Historically, it has been more difficult to detect right-wing terrorism in the West because of its scattered nature, according to Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the Royal United Services Institute. His organisation's research highlights the tendency for right-wing terrorists in Europe to be "lone actors" who are less likely to exhibit noticeable changes in behaviour or discuss plans with friends or family than their Islamist extremist counterparts."

 

I would say similar is true in the US, which therefore means those of a scholarly and determined disposition can, if they wish, defense-lawyer and sealion their way into an argument that such attacks aren't part of an overarching ideology and it sound reasonably believable because of the lack of truly hard evidence for a connection, even if such a connection is reasonably likely. Much the same as denying climate change as a threat because there hasn't been any events that could be classified in the strictest possible sense as attributable to it even though it's reasonably sure what is going on, come to that.

[MC Prussian]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/20/donald-trump-doesnt-think-white-nationalism-rise-d/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47626859

 

Data shows a pretty clear rise...however there is a pertinent part in the Beeb article worth quoting: "Historically, it has been more difficult to detect right-wing terrorism in the West because of its scattered nature, according to Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the Royal United Services Institute. His organisation's research highlights the tendency for right-wing terrorists in Europe to be "lone actors" who are less likely to exhibit noticeable changes in behaviour or discuss plans with friends or family than their Islamist extremist counterparts."

 

I would say similar is true in the US, which therefore means those of a scholarly and determined disposition can, if they wish, defense-lawyer and sealion their way into an argument that such attacks aren't part of an overarching ideology and it sound reasonably believable because of the lack of truly hard evidence for a connection, even if such a connection is reasonably likely. Much the same as denying climate change as a threat because there hasn't been any events that could be classified in the strictest possible sense as attributable to it even though it's reasonably sure what is going on, come to that.

According to statistics on Domestic Terrorism in the US, whilst right-wing attacks have slightly increased in 2017 from the year before, overall they have declined.

The only resurgence in recent years I can make out is among Islamist terrorism and incidents involving left-wing perpetrators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

[Guest MattP]

11 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Immensely looking forward to the publication of the Mueller Report next week. Will be redacted, but still... Hopefully, it'll finally end all the speculation and the mostly liberal US media can turn to something else to lose their shit over.

The media should be issuing a collective apology over the way handled this.

 

Trust in it will never recover in the states from the way they have covered the Trump presidency.

[MC Prussian]

31 minutes ago, MattP said:

The media should be issuing a collective apology over the way handled this.

 

Trust in it will never recover in the states from the way they have covered the Trump presidency.

Current media darling in terms of topics pushed by the Democrats is the child-parent separation at the border. How could Trump be so heartless?

 

Turns out Obama did it years before. For good reasons (just as today), but it's happened way earlier and that under a Democrat president.

Where's the outrage?

 

 

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

According to statistics on Domestic Terrorism in the US, whilst right-wing attacks have slightly increased in 2017 from the year before, overall they have declined.

The only resurgence in recent years I can make out is among Islamist terrorism and incidents involving left-wing perpetrators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

...and then they were the predominant source of ideologically motivated murder in the US in 2018, according to that same article.

 

This suggests that there has been increases in the last two years by comparison to not long before Trump took power, which was my point all along - to draw a correlation between the two.

 

To be honest though, we've discussed this before and as it's reasonably clear you don't believe and likely won't ever be convinced there's a reasonably big problem with organised white supremacist violence that has arisen recently, then I probably shouldn't expend more time seeking to convince you of it. I'll leave it at that.

 

3 hours ago, MattP said:

The media should be issuing a collective apology over the way handled this.

 

Trust in it will never recover in the states from the way they have covered the Trump presidency.

I hope that you're wrong tbh purely because for all their faults, the only seeming alternative to the "mainstream" media right now is the millions of independent sources on the Internet, where accountability is often nonexistent and so there is precious little difference between a truth and a lie.

 

The "mainstream" media are, for instance, not formenting a possible public health crisis through scientific ignorance (apart from the Daily Mail for a small amount of time a while back when it all first broke) or (for the most part) not pushing another angle of scientific ignorance (that we need do nothing about the way climate is changing) that has potentially dire consequences for the future.

 

2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Current media darling in terms of topics pushed by the Democrats is the child-parent separation at the border. How could Trump be so heartless?

 

Turns out Obama did it years before. For good reasons (just as today), but it's happened way earlier and that under a Democrat president.

Where's the outrage?

 

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

 

The outrage is non-existent because the claim is also non-existent. Funny that.

[Guest MattP]

Amazed I say, amazed.

 

 

[Alf Bentley]

9 minutes ago, MattP said:

Amazed I say, amazed.

 

 

 

I hope you're not one of these bitter socialist types, who gets jealous of people getting rich through their own hard work and success?

You just want to level everyone down into poverty, don't you? 

 

Being serious, I suppose anyone who has that high a profile is bound to get decent payments for the books he writes (seems to be the main source of his increased wealth?).

Sounds like he pays his taxes and doesn't shovel his income into offshore accounts like some. I'm sure he gets his round in, too.

 

Apparently being a millionaire still leaves him as one of the less well-off US Senators, anyway.

Like Lord Mandelson, I'm intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes. 

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

I hope you're not one of these bitter socialist types, who gets jealous of people getting rich through their own hard work and success?

You just want to level everyone down into poverty, don't you? 

 

Being serious, I suppose anyone who has that high a profile is bound to get decent payments for the books he writes (seems to be the main source of his increased wealth?).

Sounds like he pays his taxes and doesn't shovel his income into offshore accounts like some. I'm sure he gets his round in, too.

 

Apparently being a millionaire still leaves him as one of the less well-off US Senators, anyway.

Like Lord Mandelson, I'm intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes. 

He's certainly done well, does appear to be seriously good money in being a socialist if you can pull it off and attract a following in a capitalist society.

 

I do wonder though why he still claims his wage when he earns this much, it doesn't say much for his desire to be a public servant to take taxpayers money when he doesn't need it.

 

If only he was like President Trump and donated his salary to charity. 

[Detroit Blues]

34 minutes ago, MattP said:

He's certainly done well, does appear to be seriously good money in being a socialist if you can pull it off and attract a following in a capitalist society.

 

 I do wonder though why he still claims his wage when he earns this much, it doesn't say much for his desire to be a public servant to take taxpayers money when he doesn't need it.

 

 If only he was like President Trump and donated his salary to charity. 

If only Trump was like Sanders and paid his taxes

 

[MC Prussian]

On 12/04/2019 at 14:51, leicsmac said:

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The outrage is non-existent because the claim is also non-existent. Funny that.

I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the media and the Democrats over Trump separating children from their parents at the Mexican border, because a Democrat president did just the same years before.

Where were the Democrats criticizing their own president over that procedure?

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the media and the Democrats over Trump separating children from their parents at the Mexican border, because a Democrat president did just the same years before.

Where were the Democrats criticizing their own president over that procedure?

Except...(and beg pardon if I'm repeating myself here) per that Snopes article that separation of children from their parents didn't happen as government policy, so, no, a Dem president didn't "do just the same years before".

 

So there is no need for criticism or outrage from anyone, unless of course you want to draw a false equivalency or fictional events make you angry and/or sad. (Though tbh the ending of Dexter pisses me off something fierce so there's something in that.)

[Buce]

Yemen war: Trump vetoes bill to end US support for Saudi-led coalition

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47958014

[Guest MattP]

More AOC entertainment

 

Sadly, she's shutting down her Social Media soon according to the news as her mental health is apparantly suffering from it.

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, Buce said:

Yemen war: Trump vetoes bill to end US support for Saudi-led coalition

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47958014

It's the exact reasons why he decided to veto this one ("they're checking my power!") that is the scary part.

 

 

6 hours ago, MattP said:

More AOC entertainment

 

Sadly, she's shutting down her Social Media soon according to the news as her mental health is apparantly suffering from it.

Is Mr Woods referring to the Yemen bill in this one? If so, Trump should be answering for vetoing that for his own reasons.

 

In any case, AOC should evidently have been better prepared for this interview and the questions asked - that's inexperience telling.

[Guest MattP]

44 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Is Mr Woods referring to the Yemen bill in this one? If so, Trump should be answering for vetoing that for his own reasons.

 

In any case, AOC should evidently have been better prepared for this interview and the questions asked - that's inexperience telling.

I assume he's referring to the tax bill, which legally passed through the house and she now thinks he should actually be impeached for

 

I don't think preparation is the problem, she's just the dumbest elected representative going and enjoys publicity, somehow elected on the basis of being fairly attractive, young and a bartender - no doubt on the basis of how normal she is. If a 50 year old white male was spouting this they wouldn't be running a local branch.

 

I suppose there is an outside chance she's a young Republican just having a bit of a laugh and she'll tell us soon but in 2019 this seems quite normal now.

Edited 17 April 2019 by MattP

[leicsmac]

53 minutes ago, MattP said:

I assume he's referring to the tax bill, which legally passed through the house and she now thinks he should actually be impeached for

 

I don't think preparation is the problem, she's just the dumbest elected representative going and enjoys publicity, somehow elected on the basis of being fairly attractive, young and a bartender - no doubt on the basis of how normal she is. If a 50 year old white male was spouting this they wouldn't be running a local branch.

 

I suppose there is an outside chance she's a young Republican just having a bit of a laugh and she'll tell us soon but in 2019 this seems quite normal now.

She acknowledges there is a clear and present danger to the future posed in a large part by current US energy generation policy, evidently having listened to the scientific community on the matter.

 

That makes her smarter than a lot of US elected officials, Trump included.

[Guest MattP]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

She acknowledges there is a clear and present danger to the future posed in a large part by current US energy generation policy, evidently having listened to the scientific community on the matter.

 

That makes her smarter than a lot of US elected officials, Trump included.

It doesn't though really does it? I'm sure they all deep down realise it, some just don't care, don't want to lose votes or just won't do anything to jeopardise the standing of the nation and give political power to China.

 

I've got a bad feeling the Democrats election line for 2020 is going to be something along the lines of "vote for us or you're all going to die".

[MC Prussian]

Well, this is sad.

Sandy Hook still lingers...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sandy-hook-father-dies-apparent-suicide-jeremy-richman-newtown-connecticut-2019-03-25/