LCFCSOULBOY Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I must admit I am writing this angrily right now but I have to ask the question. Have been reading all night long how Ranieri had lost the players and had to go but when will we also hold the players also responsible. All season. Heck even preseason we were rubbish. Looked disinterested. The Hull game. We looked so lazy. Well was it all Claudio then?. I for one think we have a load of Prima donnas also. What's with Mahrez passing to Vardy only a few times all season? Just asking the question. Please give input if you can.
The Doctor Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Of course not, but it's not really practical to sack 7-8 players. If they pick up from here in terms of attitude and effort on the pitch, and it becomes apparent that they downed tools to get rid of the man who made them champions, then I'll have lost a remarkable amount of respect for them, and the new manager better be brutal and not give them a reprieve.
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 24 February 2017 Author Posted 24 February 2017 2 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Of course not, but it's not really practical to sack 7-8 players. If they pick up from here in terms of attitude and effort on the pitch, and it becomes apparent that they downed tools together rid of the man who made them champions, then I'll have lost a remarkable amount of respect for them, and the new manager better be brutal and not give them a reprieve. Just seems that they haven't even tried all season. Were they unhappy with him preseason. Think there is more to it. Thanks for your input
Merging Cultures Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Clearly they have been under-performing. It is the managers responsibility to get the best performances out of the players. He hasn't done that. And you can't get rid of our main assets, even if they are playing terrible, as it would be too expensive. Plus, we are now out of the Jan transfer window.
Jakemoore Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 18 minutes ago, LCFCSOULBOY said: I must admit I am writing this angrily right now but I have to ask the question. Have been reading all night long how Ranieri had lost the players and had to go but when will we also hold the players also responsible. All season. Heck even preseason we were rubbish. Looked disinterested. The Hull game. We looked so lazy. Well was it all Claudio then?. I for one think we have a load of Prima donnas also. What's with Mahrez passing to Vardy only a few times all season? Just asking the question. Please give input if you can. No. The players have been shit. But you can't sack an entire playing staff.
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 24 February 2017 Author Posted 24 February 2017 Really looking forward to this next few games to see how they respond. I think they will have to. At least to save face. Something inside me says the players are not getting along. Too many egos I suspect.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 It's not just his fault, everyone takes the blame. Players lacking motivation after last year was always going to be an issue though, but oddly he's done nothing to avert it in the summer and beyond. He is a manager, his responsibility is to manage people as well as choosing formations and tactics. It has been a failure in man management as much as anything else. Last season should have been put to bed as soon as it ended, but we tried to act billy big bollocks with pre season, we embraced the adulation too much. No matter what was you look at it, the manager is ultimately responsible for seeing issues before they happen, planning and managing the group. It's been a failure.
bpfox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 look reality is u cant sack all the players so when the manager loses the players he has to go, the only time when it gets turned around is if the club is safe mid table and a transfer window is due and u can move on 6-8 players. the manager only has himself to blame he failed to bring in the right players, lets face it his new recruits have been poor to average.
Moksky Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 The manager takes ultimate responsibility. It's a replica of what happened at Chelsea last season with Mourinho. The players got rid of him.
nnfox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Something had to change. My preference would have been to sack the players because their attitude and application this season has been a disgrace. But you can't sack half the team, so the manager has to go instead. It's a real shame. The players should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
SheppyFox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 They've been terrible, the quick fix is the manager, not fair or right but true.
Kaewbudda Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Ultimately, the manager is responsible for picking, organising and motivating the players. However... I don't think anyone could have forseen how poorly some of the players would play this season. The key ones being Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater, Huth and Morgan - the spine of the team. They have looked like shadows of themselves compared to last season. So in that respect, I think that the manager has been really unlucky because his most important players have not been able to hit anywhere near the same heights as they did last season. So no, it wasn't all Claudio.
weller54 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 OK, perhaps they lost respect for Ranieri, there was falling outs, disquiet over contracts that some got and other's didn't etc etc, Mahrez not getting his move to Arsenal obviously pissed him off and he's sulked ever since.. Steve Walsh's departure was probably a big, understated issue? The Player's have revolted against Ranieri and it's as clear as night and day that they didn't want to play for him, but how about playing for The Fans?..
Twitcher Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 When did it go wrong though? Pre-season?Even last year? We needed to beat Hull away as champions first game and it didn't happen. Had he lost the dressing room then?
erlee Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 CR being a wily old fox has been OUTFOXed by a bunch of prima-donna self-serving players.. so in that regard - he deserved to walk the plank with his 3 italian coaches his mistakes are plenty 1} unable to motivate poor selection of players - not that many choices i believe 2} unable to get quality key players on his side (confidantes) - ..and unable to sort out "revolting" players 3} got rid of peripheral key staff...e.g. team psychologist, high performance staff 4} left it too late with no plan-B..(same old team v Sevilla - his last chance saloon was v Swansea) 5} no team building pizza dough kneading... and too many comedic engagement with reporters he wuz outfoxed. good night
Lovejoy Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 If I were a player and was sent out with some of our tactical approaches (or lack of) this season, I'd lose respect for my manager. I don't for one minute think they don't ever want to win a game but casting my mind back to standing there at Southampton on a Sunday lunchtime watching us play Mendy on the left of a diamond for example against a side renowned for their width, only a fool wouldn't question those instructions that played into the opposition's hands and didn't suit us.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 We do not know what has changed in the backroom to cause performance levels to drop so much. Clearly the buck stops with Ranieri and I trust the owners decision on this. Only they know the failings witihin the club
Kitchandro Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I've pretty much lost all respect for most of the players. Claudio had to go, because we can't sack the players, but in reality, it's they who didn't put the effort in, not him. This is why I was always uncomfortable with sacking him. He may have lost the plot, made some very poor decisions, but it's the players who downed tools and made the decision to put less effort in. People can make mistakes but not trying is the cardinal sin. I certainly won't be calling them legends whilst people disrespect Claudio by calling him a fluke and a fool who lived off other people's work. It's not on.
erlee Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 19 hours ago, Kitchandro said: I've pretty much lost all respect for most of the players. Claudio had to go, because we can't sack the players, but in reality, it's they who didn't put the effort in, not him. This is why I was always uncomfortable with sacking him. He may have lost the plot, made some very poor decisions, but it's the players who downed tools and made the decision to put less effort in. People can make mistakes but not trying is the cardinal sin. I certainly won't be calling them legends whilst people disrespect Claudio by calling him a fluke and a fool who lived off other people's work. It's not on. Maybe it is a blessing in disguise.. CR cannot now be blamed for officially taking the club down. the ball is literally in the court of the players.... let's see if they perform - i bet if they don't the CROWD WILL TURN ON THEM! let's see if there are actually an iota of quality in their collective play. i bet they are still as shit as the beginning of this season. I think these players will take the club down & they just have had 3 or 4 years shiny contracts.
StriderHiryu Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 5 hours ago, LCFCSOULBOY said: Something inside me says the players are not getting along. Too many egos I suspect. This could well be the root cause of the problems. Some players were catapulted into superstars whereas other were not. Some clearly think they are better players than they are. Regardless of what happens this season, at the end a major cleaout will be needed to recreate some level of cohesion and harmony.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 It's all down to the players that we've had to make this decision, there's been absolutely no excuse for some of the veterans of our team to perform like they have been. Only one I say who delivers often is Kasper.
erlee Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 19 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: It's all down to the players that we've had to make this decision, there's been absolutely no excuse for some of the veterans of our team to perform like they have been. Only one I say who delivers often is Kasper. & now these clown players are going to take the club down - minus Mr Pizza
yorkie1999 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I'd say the players' performance was ok in the second half at Sevilla, which is the time, i suspect, when something happened. Either the players decided to ignore how they were being told to play, or claudio said something like if we don't get a result i'm getting sacked.
Kaewbudda Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Where were all of these player before Ranieri came? NOWHERE!!! He was the one that turned them into stars. What a betrayal! He was too ****ing loyal!
LittlethorpeFox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I think we are in great danger of imploding as a club. Managers/backroom staff/players/fans all in different camps. The fans in particular have really got it in for the players, which i do get to an extent obviously, but i think its way over the top. Claudio can do no wrong in a lot of people's eyes and its because he really is a true gentleman. If the players beat liverpool and hull now, it won't be because Shakespeare has managed to motivate them and get more out of the squad, it will be because they had downed tools under CR and were now playing for a new manager. I am far from sticking up for the players' performances this season, but the message from most fans is "Ranieiri deserves more time for winning the league last season", but we should "sack the players". Now without even getting into how far removed you must be from football/reality to suggest sacking the players, why are people placing all of the praise for winning the league on CR, and all the blame for this season's shambles, on the players. In my book they shoulder the praise/criticism 50/50. They were all brilliant last year, and they have been as bad as eachother this season. People are saying the players have completely downed tools, they are in the last 16 of the UCL with a huge chance to progress.... they are yet to go into the releagation zone... so yes its been frustrating, but they have not completely downed tools have they, a lot of the bad results have been down to management and players. If you watch each and every LCFC game you will have just seen how other than a few great performances this season, we have been absolutely desperate. The big one for me was Sunderland away when i just thought wow we are completley dreadful.
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