Babylon Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 8 hours ago, MattCan said: I don't know what the stats say but, from watching the games, I know this: Mahrez is indisputably the main creator of big/dangerous chances for Leicester City in the 2016-2017 season. LCFC needs Mahrez, not his transfer money. He has been such an incredible bargain anyway. I think the owners and the management are aware of that. Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%.
ZeGuy Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 12 minutes ago, Babylon said: Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%. Interesting stats. However it doesn't take in account Mahrez's special treatment. It is more difficult to complete key passes or create anything when you have two bodyguards at your neck. One of them constantly, the other closing down before he even gets the ball. Mahrez doesn't have the freedom the other two have. That said there isn't the slightest doubt that his decison making and efficiency dramatically dropped this year. Gray should have gotten more game time too. Since Shakey came he's almost not playing anymore. I'm wondering why.
Russell sprout Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 34 minutes ago, HKFox said: not joking at all, some people only realise how good something is when they have lost it. All I am saying is whilst we have Mahrez with us, we need to appreciate him now. He is the best winger we will see at Leicester. This year he has not been as good because he is doubled marked. As soon as he gets the ball he has 2 or 3 men close by, he could easily walk into spurs, man city, arsenal, Uniteds, starting line ups. Xavi last year, Pep last week, all top players and coaching staff understand how good Mahrez is. He will leave in the summer, and we will remember how good he was for us, same as Kante. He should appreciate what he has with us because we've been more than patient in his boring predictable style of play,do you think Barca fans for example would forgive him for his lack lustre performances,I don't, when vardy wasn't scoring people were calling him a one season wonder,when we was conceding silly goals,Wes and huth were 'to old',yet when mahrez is poor it's down to the opposition numbering up on him,when he's been simply crap,people need to stop making excuses for him,like I said,he's a good player but he's really not THAT good
Babylon Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 49 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Gray should have gotten more game time too. Since Shakey came he's almost not playing anymore. I'm wondering why. He's got to get results if he wants the job and he's going with what he knows and trusts for the moment. Plus, I'd imagine the owners want the money from the league finish... we could swing as much as £13m if we finished at the lowest point possible compared to the highest. That's a lot of cash!
Ric Flair Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: He's got to get results if he wants the job and he's going with what he knows and trusts for the moment. Plus, I'd imagine the owners want the money from the league finish... we could swing as much as £13m if we finished at the lowest point possible compared to the highest. That's a lot of cash! When you put it like that, it's one half decent player which does mean a lot. I just wish we could find the right time to give certain players more game time. Gray seems to be getting less and less football under Shakespeare than Ranieri which might indicate he doesn't actually rate him that highly.
shen Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 1 hour ago, Beachyboy said: He's frustrating as u know what he's capable of, an ultimately probably needs to move on to develop by playing with better players, an Leicester need to find the next raw diamond, an develop them, as he's developed as much as he can at Leicester. What makes you say this? Surely, if anything, this season in the PL shows he has many things he needs to develop to be able to cope against consistently tough opponents. Don't see why he shouldn't be able to do that here.
HKFox Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 56 minutes ago, Russell sprout said: He should appreciate what he has with us because we've been more than patient in his boring predictable style of play,do you think Barca fans for example would forgive him for his lack lustre performances,I don't, when vardy wasn't scoring people were calling him a one season wonder,when we was conceding silly goals,Wes and huth were 'to old',yet when mahrez is poor it's down to the opposition numbering up on him,when he's been simply crap,people need to stop making excuses for him,like I said,he's a good player but he's really not THAT good Not that good? He won the premier league player of the year last season. No other Leicester player has ever won this award and no one is ever likely to do so again. He has been below his usual standard this year, agreed. Crap.. no chance. he is always man marked now, far less space. He takes up 2 defenders, always, which should open more space for our other players. Problem being he needs better players around him to take advantage of this. All our players took time off under Ranieri this season, blatantly obvious. We have not lost by more than 2 goals since Ranieri left. Mahrez is an outstanding player, when he is in another team next year we will see how good he is. We have 2 more games left to watch him, of course I want him to stay but he will be playing champions league next year, and then Gray has the chance to start and show his ability next season. Agreed, with Mahrez, he should appreciate what as a club we have done for him, but we need to appreciate what he has helped us do as well. Without him no 2 league titles, and no champions league.
Almo-Fox Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 Cat Stevens said in his wonderful song ( let it be, let it be, let it be ) We can say , in regards to mahrez, to the owners ( let him go, let him go let him go ) And we can finish with last word in bb king what a wonderful world ( oh ya ) Remaining five days
shen Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 1 hour ago, Russell sprout said: He should appreciate what he has with us because we've been more than patient in his boring predictable style of play,do you think Barca fans for example would forgive him for his lack lustre performances,I don't, when vardy wasn't scoring people were calling him a one season wonder,when we was conceding silly goals,Wes and huth were 'to old',yet when mahrez is poor it's down to the opposition numbering up on him,when he's been simply crap,people need to stop making excuses for him,like I said,he's a good player but he's really not THAT good I don't think Mahrez has had preferential treatment. Wes and Huth are limited players, so there's a ceiling to what we can expect from them. Vardy lacked service and backup from his teammates, but has actually developed nicely and proven he's more skillful and versatile than we expected. Mahrez however has the talent to create things on his own and opponents are obviously aware of this. I've criticised him for failing to adapt his style, sometimes trying too hard to do things on his own, but he's still shown a magic touch or moment of inspiration now and again which proves he hasn't "lost it". 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%. Interesting stats. Gray has actually played 1/4 of matches on average since Shakespeare took over, which I think is a fair amount to show he can do more than Albrighton/Mahrez. It's also worth noting that Albrighton's stats must have been boosted exponentially since the management change as he's scored 3 and assisted 5 goals since then. Under Ranieri he had a whopping 1 goal and 1 assist. The impression I got was that in most games this season, even in our bad spell, Mahrez was usually involved in our most threatening attempts. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe the stats cannot tell this story.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 4 hours ago, Babylon said: Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%. Thanks for this. I knew the goals and assist figures, but these 'extras' here confirm my anecdotal views on other aspects of Mahrez's game this season. I have always said he is at his best and most effective when he beats one man / creates himself space and passes the ball - something he has not done enough of.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 4 hours ago, ZeGuy said: Interesting stats. However it doesn't take in account Mahrez's special treatment. It is more difficult to complete key passes or create anything when you have two bodyguards at your neck. One of them constantly, the other closing down before he even gets the ball. Mahrez doesn't have the freedom the other two have. That said there isn't the slightest doubt that his decison making and efficiency dramatically dropped this year. Gray should have gotten more game time too. Since Shakey came he's almost not playing anymore. I'm wondering why. He has had more attention from defenders this season of course, but as a consequence there is more space elsewhere on the pitch. There could have been a positive for the team.... if he had passed the ball to his team mates rather than running up blind alleys to beat another 2 or 3 players and losing it. As can be seen from these numbers that's exactly what's been going on. Losses the ball more than anyone, key passes 40% less than Albrighton and Gray. The prosecution duly rests its case.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 8 minutes ago, MattCan said: Mahrez is magic. ?
MattCan Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 Just now, NotTheMarketLeader said: ? Leave him alone. Go talk about Vardy for a change or do some other thing ...
ZeGuy Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 21 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: He has had more attention from defenders this season of course, but as a consequence there is more space elsewhere on the pitch. There could have been a positive for the team.... if he had passed the ball to his team mates rather than running up blind alleys to beat another 2 or 3 players and losing it. As can be seen from these numbers that's exactly what's been going on. Losses the ball more than anyone, key passes 40% less than Albrighton and Gray. The prosecution duly rests its case. I'm not keen on discussing the Mahrez matter with you any further. I agree to disagree.
MattCan Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 5 hours ago, Babylon said: Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%. If we only take the last game, Mahrez was involved in all the three potent Leicester actions. An assist of Mahrez to Morgan thigh in a 16-round CL game is of historical proportions. Do these things get included in your stats? You would agree that you cannot be telling the whole story with these stats.
desertfox2 Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 Best way to show him we want him to stay and Kasper for that matter is by showing we mean business in the transfer market. Sigurdsson would be a good start, Gibson, Any of the Chelsea youth not getting a game. Have another crack at getting into europe
the fox Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 4 hours ago, Russell sprout said: He should appreciate what he has with us because we've been more than patient in his boring predictable style of play,do you think Barca fans for example would forgive him for his lack lustre performances,I don't, when vardy wasn't scoring people were calling him a one season wonder,when we was conceding silly goals,Wes and huth were 'to old',yet when mahrez is poor it's down to the opposition numbering up on him,when he's been simply crap,people need to stop making excuses for him,like I said,he's a good player but he's really not THAT good I kinda disagree, for most sensible people, it was: -Wes and huth are too exposed -Vardy doesn't have service, and he looks like he lost a bit of work rate/pace (which at that time was looking like it) -mahrez is doubled.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 21 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: I'm not keen on discussing the Mahrez matter with you any further. I agree to disagree. Agreed. I must say it is a bit tedious now
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 21 minutes ago, MattCan said: If we only take the last game, Mahrez was involved in all the three potent Leicester actions. An assist of Mahrez to Morgan thigh in a 16-round CL game is of historical proportions. Do these things get included in your stats? You cannot be telling the whole story with your stats. What is your source? Ffs Matt. Give it it a rest!
ZeGuy Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 7 minutes ago, desertfox2 said: Best way to show him we want him to stay and Kasper for that matter is by showing we mean business in the transfer market. Sigurdsson would be a good start, Gibson, Any of the Chelsea youth not getting a game. Have another crack at getting into europe Indeed although we sadly wasted one complete season and I don't fancy an european spot next year. Top ten would be a beginning. Not a bad thing imo, but is it what Mahrez wants?Just not sure if he will have the patience. Said it before. If he stays and the midfield isn't improved it will be the same shit next season.
MattCan Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Ffs Matt. Give it it a rest! Leave him alone. What you're doing is nonsense.
Thracian Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 5 hours ago, Babylon said: Albrighton has twice the number of assists and Gray has one more, from 1500 less minutes on the pitch. Albrighton creates 1.70 chances per 90 minutes Mahrez creates 1.47 chances per 90 minutes Gray creates 1.34 chances per 90 minutes Albrighton makes 1.45 key passes per 90 minutes Gray makes 1.40 key passes per 90 minutes Mahrez makes 1.08 key passes per 90 minutes Gray completes 57.80% of all take ons Albrighton completes 52.50% of all take ons Mahrez completes 45.39% of all take ons The difference between Gray and Mahrez has been minimal THIS season. Not saying he's better, but he's not far off a Mahrez playing at 60/70%. All very well but the stats perhaps don't take into account how tightly and specifically Mahrez has been marked. That said Mahrez hasn't looked nearly so dangerous this year and that's not been helped by a lot of his decision-making as to when to pass the ball and when to take people on. Another factor for Gray in particular is that it's easier to create things against tiring defenders and easier to have a more successful pass rate when you're only on for a short time and at a time when he's fresh and his opponents are tiring or more focused on specifically defending or attacking according to the game situation. For all that, the stats are interesting. Perhaps we'll get £40m bids each for Albrighton and Gray but refuse them on the basis they can have Mahrez instead!
foxes21 Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 Gray has 14 starts and 25 sub appearances in all competitions. Nobody can say he hasn't been given a chance. For me Gray is too inconsistent to be starting next season as the replacement for Mahrez, but is a good impact sub. Whether he's happy to be an impact sub is another issue. In 14 appearances as a starter he has: 1 goal - Derby Home 1 assist - Everton Fa Cup Musa has 4 goals as a starter lol.
Russell sprout Posted 16 May 2017 Posted 16 May 2017 45 minutes ago, the fox said: I kinda disagree, for most sensible people, it was: -Wes and huth are too exposed -Vardy doesn't have service, and he looks like he lost a bit of work rate/pace (which at that time was looking like it) -mahrez is doubled. It was more an example of them players getting slated for being poor,yet when mahrez underperform it's simply down to the opposition numbering up on him,when the truth his he's shown no plan b to his game, even now we're playing to our strengths and mahrez seems lost and uninterested,the bloke need to sort out his ego and remember he's not bigger than the club
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