crazylegs1984 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 2 hours ago, Royston. said: Sell everyone and use the money to raid sunderland for who exactly ???
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 39 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Well I prefer this to RAnieri's "anyone can leave" statement 'Kit man packs his bags'
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 2 minutes ago, crazylegs1984 said: for who exactly ??? cattemole ideally
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 2 hours ago, ZeGuy said: Then why keep him? Just because? He served the club well why stay in his way if he wants to move (if he ever wants to move, which I'm not convinced of)? You'd want 40M pounds (based on this season, no one will pay that much) but did you forget that we bought him for only 400K? I fail to see any logic here. If Kasper wants to go, he'll go and there is no way we'd keep hold on him. He's been fantastic for us and we really owe him that much. An unlucky player will never perform at his best level anyway. Vardy won't go anywhere. "Why stay in his way?" Because he isn't working at Primark. There is a reason football contracts are structured the way they are, and why selling a player for the price you paid for him + £1 is not always good business. Selling a player worth 40m for 20m because you only spent 400th makes as much sense in football as it does when selling your house. It also ignores the fact the club doesn't make a profit on most players, and needs to cash in when possible, especially given the Weimar-level inflation in football in the last couple of years.
ZeGuy Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 18 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: "Why stay in his way?" Because he isn't working at Primark. There is a reason football contracts are structured the way they are, and why selling a player for the price you paid for him + £1 is not always good business. Selling a player worth 40m for 20m because you only spent 400th makes as much sense in football as it does when selling your house. It also ignores the fact the club doesn't make a profit on most players, and needs to cash in when possible, especially given the Weimar-level inflation in football in the last couple of years. Because keeping a player who doesn't want to stay makes more sense given that he'll never give his best. Don't be greedy. Selling him for 30M pounds still is a enormous profit in regard to the initial investment. You won't get more since, inflation or not, he didn't confirm his phenomenal form of last year, the club doesn't have one of the best negociators (Rudkin, lol) and the player wants to move (last point still needing confirmation). Keeping him one year more will reduce even more his value on the market. I'm convinced that there will be offers for him this summer but they won't exceed €35M. Except for the PSG.
Merging Cultures Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 3 hours ago, st albans fox said: Dont mix up your dollars and pounds rudders might be reading Haha true!! Stupid US keyboard, UK English spell check though!!
Merging Cultures Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 3 hours ago, ZeGuy said: Then why keep him? Just because? He served the club well why stay in his way if he wants to move (if he ever wants to move, which I'm not convinced of)? You'd want 40M pounds (based on this season, no one will pay that much) but did you forget that we bought him for only 400K? I fail to see any logic here. If Kasper wants to go, he'll go and there is no way we'd keep hold on him. He's been fantastic for us and we really owe him that much. An unlucky player will never perform at his best level anyway. Vardy won't go anywhere. Why keep him? Because we own him. He has a contract. When he plays well he is worth GBP40m. He is under contract with us and should be giving 100% for us. If he isn't going to do that we either sell, for what he is worth, or bench him and he doesn't play and then no one will want him unless he performs well in training, gets back in the team and performs on the pitch. A player shouldn't be able to give 75% and force a move. I agree KS is amazing, but again, he is under contract. So unless it is for a good amount of money, we can and should keep him. Vardy is too much money for an aging player who relies on pace, so yes, I agree.
AyewJoking Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 Slap a 50M price tag on mahrez and schmeichel. Then we'll see just how much 'interested' clubs want them. The money in the game is so outrageous why should we lose our best players for relatively moderate amounts? I wouldn't care if it made players unhappy. Top clubs have the money and we need to be compensated for significantly weakening our team.
ZeGuy Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: Why keep him? Because we own him. He has a contract. When he plays well he is worth GBP40m. He is under contract with us and should be giving 100% for us. If he isn't going to do that we either sell, for what he is worth, or bench him and he doesn't play and then no one will want him unless he performs well in training, gets back in the team and performs on the pitch. A player shouldn't be able to give 75% and force a move. I agree KS is amazing, but again, he is under contract. So unless it is for a good amount of money, we can and should keep him. Vardy is too much money for an aging player who relies on pace, so yes, I agree. I like Riyad a lot and I'm all for him to stay and, unless he states it otherwise, he's here next season. On his day he's easily a 50M pounds footballer by the actual prices and a pure joy to watch. On his day. He just not showed any consistency this season, no matter how bad the team performed. Thus se's a bit of a wild card for any interested club and that's why I don't think the offers are going to sky rocket. As for keeping for an unhappy player, I already stated my opinion in the previous posts.
Thracian Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 Every player has his price but I see nothing wrong in any club or manager expecting his players to see out their contracts which are actually formulated to benefit the club as well as the player. There's no lack of available advice for footballers when they sign any deal these days and I see nothing wrong in both parties being expected to see through what they sign up to unless there's mutual agreement to the contrary. "My word is my bond," is a phrase that's regularly shat on these days but that doesn't mean there isn't much to be said for it. Where "verbal" agreements are concerned it seems wrong to me for anyone to verbally agree anything contrary to a written contract because it potentially "obliges" other people who might take their place and who might not be aware of that agreement or in favour of it. Either way the club owner/s should be aware of, and in agreement with, any "verbal" arrangement and should convey that knowledge to any new manager along with their attitude to such an agreement being met, which should always be positive once the owner/s have sanctioned it and unless the agreement is voluntarily negated by mutual agreement with the player. It's called being honest and straightforward.
Chico1958 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 I was only worried about The Little French Guy leaving last season The Little French Guy left............ I cried ( Not really but nearly ) This year I'm only worried about The Guy who has replaced The Little French Guy If he leaves I think I really will cry......... Whatever happens I will still be supporting the players wearing the shirt next year
Thracian Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 8 hours ago, ZeGuy said: Because keeping a player who doesn't want to stay makes more sense given that he'll never give his best. Don't be greedy. Selling him for 30M pounds still is a enormous profit in regard to the initial investment. You won't get more since, inflation or not, he didn't confirm his phenomenal form of last year, the club doesn't have one of the best negociators (Rudkin, lol) and the player wants to move (last point still needing confirmation). Keeping him one year more will reduce even more his value on the market. I'm convinced that there will be offers for him this summer but they won't exceed €35M. Except for the PSG. It's assumptious to say anyone won't give their best...and potentially insulting If people are on a contract the club is perfectly entitled to keep them the same as the player is perfectly entitled to be paid according to the terms of that contract. As for a player's value, it's for our club to decide what anyone's worth to us, irrespective of what others might consider his market value now, or his projected value in 12 months time, which depends on a lot of things. Our owners aren't desperate for money either way and will, presumably, do what they think is best for the club - and so they should.
ZeGuy Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 26 minutes ago, Thracian said: It's assumptious to say anyone won't give their best...and potentially insulting If people are on a contract the club is perfectly entitled to keep them the same as the player is perfectly entitled to be paid according to the terms of that contract. As for a player's value, it's for our club to decide what anyone's worth to us, irrespective of what others might consider his market value now, or his projected value in 12 months time, which depends on a lot of things. Our owners aren't desperate for money either way and will, presumably, do what they think is best for the club - and so they should. Oh really? I don't think it is. It's just human. Unless you're a machine, you won't have the same efficiency, working in a place where you're not happy. I never disputed that fact. Just think it's counter-productive to keep a player who wants to go. Then let's shut down the whole forum. Of course the last word always belongs to the club, it still doesn't prevent us from discussing it from a purely speculative point of view.
Vacamion Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 8 hours ago, Thracian said: Every player has his price but I see nothing wrong in any club or manager expecting his players to see out their contracts which are actually formulated to benefit the club as well as the player. There's no lack of available advice for footballers when they sign any deal these days and I see nothing wrong in both parties being expected to see through what they sign up to unless there's mutual agreement to the contrary. "My word is my bond," is a phrase that's regularly shat on these days but that doesn't mean there isn't much to be said for it. Where "verbal" agreements are concerned it seems wrong to me for anyone to verbally agree anything contrary to a written contract because it potentially "obliges" other people who might take their place and who might not be aware of that agreement or in favour of it. Either way the club owner/s should be aware of, and in agreement with, any "verbal" arrangement and should convey that knowledge to any new manager along with their attitude to such an agreement being met, which should always be positive once the owner/s have sanctioned it and unless the agreement is voluntarily negated by mutual agreement with the player. It's called being honest and straightforward. It's like the last 30 years of football transfers passed you by. A footballer contract is not like other contracts. Money talks.
weller54 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 14 hours ago, baldeagle said: Wasn't there going to be an exodus last year as well and we only lost NG That was an exodus!!... An exodus of our midfield!!
purpleronnie Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 People do realise we won't be in the CL next year right?
yorkie1999 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 I think that a club should keep hold of a player if he's under contract. That player has agreed a deal and a club builds itself around long term players. If they throw their dummies out the pram then it's they that will lose out, not the club. If mahrez wants to sulk, that's up to him but we've not lost anything, he's signed a contract and should honour it. Unhappy players... on 100 grand a week? As if..
yorkie1999 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 3 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: People do realise we won't be in the CL next year right? Yes, and if mahrez wanted cl next year, he should have tried harder this year or not signed a lucrative contract. Life's about learning.
Innovindil Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 The biggest question that needs answering is would we have let Kanté go last summer if he didn't have a release clause? Are we serious about trying to be a competitive side pushing for a Europe spot or not? You can't sell your best players and expect to improve.
ZeGuy Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Yes, and if mahrez wanted cl next year, he should have tried harder this year or not signed a lucrative contract. Life's about learning. Right, because it's his fault we're not in the CL next year.
WigstonWanderer Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 9 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: "Why stay in his way?" Because he isn't working at Primark. There is a reason football contracts are structured the way they are, and why selling a player for the price you paid for him + £1 is not always good business. Selling a player worth 40m for 20m because you only spent 400th makes as much sense in football as it does when selling your house. It also ignores the fact the club doesn't make a profit on most players, and needs to cash in when possible, especially given the Weimar-level inflation in football in the last couple of years. Good points 9 hours ago, ZeGuy said: Because keeping a player who doesn't want to stay makes more sense given that he'll never give his best. Don't be greedy. Selling him for 30M pounds still is a enormous profit in regard to the initial investment. You won't get more since, inflation or not, he didn't confirm his phenomenal form of last year, the club doesn't have one of the best negociators (Rudkin, lol) and the player wants to move (last point still needing confirmation). Keeping him one year more will reduce even more his value on the market. I'm convinced that there will be offers for him this summer but they won't exceed €35M. Except for the PSG. More good points
yorkie1999 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 10 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Right, because it's his fault we're not in the CL next year. That's not what I said.
ZeGuy Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 Just now, yorkie1999 said: That's not what I said. Then I misunderstood you and I apologize.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 11 hours ago, lgfualol said: Well I prefer this to RAnieri's "anyone can leave" statement Wonder how Leo feels about it
yorkie1999 Posted 12 May 2017 Posted 12 May 2017 Just now, ZeGuy said: Then I misunderstood you and I apologize. Maybe mahrez should be keeping it to himself about wanting cl football next year, if he did actually say that, because it's no more than touting himself to the highest bidder whose playing in the competition next year
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