Incident at London Bridge

[Lionator]

17 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

It's obvious wahibist Sunni Muslims are following a hateful version of the Koran 

 

its a book that is easily manipulated to sound hateful 

 

it's has some evil in it , like the bible does I guess 

 

no Shia Muslim has been involved in Islamic terrorism in the west , yet the CIA and MI6 continue to support the wahibist Sunni sect 

 

why ? 

 

Saudi Arabia that's why ! 

 

Time we all woke up 

 

mosques need to hand banners from their external walls proclaiming that all terrorists are bound for hell and that Muhammad will punish all of them ! 

 

We need a law forcing  the mosque leaders/managers to report all incidents of decent and Islamic fundamentalism !!!   

 

Time we stopped the lefty shit  and took control 

I'm a lefty, however we keep getting fed the same old nonsense about Iran being our enemy, and Saudi Arabia being our friend. Looking at the current Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, he's overseen some of the most aggressive progressive alterations over the past few years in any country in the world. The people of a democratic Iran have an appetite for progression and while they have an appalling human rights record, here is a country that is starting to make changes to fit in with 2017. Saudi Arabia on the other hand, no democracy, not even the merest sign of a hunt towards equality for women and any other poor soul who is in the minority and yet who is our friend and who is our enemy? It's an utter disgrace and we're being taken for mugs by our governments here in the west. 

 

The current situation is the culmination of a series of government's who's staggering inepitude has resulted in the conditions for terrorism to thrive on our very shores. Blair and Cameron's appalling foreign policy decisions, May's blood-curdling decision to reduce police numbers and the combination who have allowed extremists the infiltrate Mosque's within the UK as well as cosying up to the country that literally funds this form of extremist behaviour. There is no easy answer, if there was, this wouldn't be happening, but we're at a crisis point and it's going to take a good few years for us to get out of it, especially when we elect the same old, same old time after time.

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, hejammy said:

How am I making excuses!? I'm the first one to condem these attacks. You said don't make this about territory when it's about extermination. I was saying that his reason (rightly or wrongly) was due to his Libyan background. Don't put words in my mouth 

Jog on... You talk so much bull.

[hejammy]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

Jog on... You talk so much bull.

What to do when you run out of any decent argument.. (not saying you had any in the first place mind you) 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

1 hour ago, Rincewind said:

That is three times I have seen the 'Corbyn will invite them to tea' line. Twic e on Facebook now on here. Strange.

If you're not being sarcastic and genuine then....He invited Sinn Fein members for tea to the commons about a week after the Brighton bombing by the IRA killing 4 people I think.  Conveniently they were targeting the Conservative Party at the time, by hey that's ok.

[GaelicFox]

7 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

If you're not being sarcastic and genuine then....He invited Sinn Fein members for tea to the commons about a week after the Brighton bombing by the IRA killing 4 people I think.  Conveniently they were targeting the Conservative Party at the time, by hey that's ok.

He invited them to try and find a path to peace , this  Corbyn and the IRA stuff is ignorance of the highest order .... he tried to negotiate peace ... while he was having tea with them MI5 and special branch were bribing them and killing people for them ... honestly the ignorance about  Anglo Irish politics in the U.K. Is frightening ! And dangerous 

 

there is little to link the IRA and Islamic fundamentalists other than murder 

 

the IRA were freedom fighting psychopathic terrorists 

 

this Islamic psychopathic barbaric  stuff isn't about freedom it's about fecking taking over the world !!!! 

 

Makimg islam rule the world and convert us all to Islam or Kill us all ! 

 

Please stop pandering to a Tory election tact that is boring and dangerous 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

3 hours ago, hejammy said:

Calm down son, some may mistake you to be a bit of a fundamentalist. Also as you know the Quran is written in quranic Arabic, so which translation are you using? Google translate might not be as effective I reckon. If you read my first post on this point, I don't want to make this an Islam Sikh thing, I said I didn't want to get into a religious debate. You poked and kept on poking. Funny how defensive you get when someone even mentions sikhism. Didn't know people couldn't defend Islam everytime you defame it. By the way to correct you, the Quran doesn't have actions, it's the misguided people who have the wahabi translation of it that are controversial (evil) 

 

With regards to masters and slaves etc, you do know that they both lived in different times? Keeping slaves was even normal in the UK and USA early last century, nevermind 1400 years ago 

 Im not defensive, I just do the have patience for fools.  You talk the most amount of crap.  So many excuses, oh I forgot Arabic has never been translated and can never be.  I kept poking?  I made a.post and you replied, so who kept poking...youve made about 6 posts and yet still haven't answered my initial question, where is the contreversy in the GGS?  Yet you've spotted so much irrelevant crap to try and justify yourself, your a joke.

 

Is the Qur'an contreversial, yes it is....nobody says you can disagree, but come up with some sort of logical discussion instead of trying to deflect it on Sikhism, for someone who is trying to defend islam, you come.accross as a little moaning child who has been told santa doesn't exist.

 

Qur'an has many actions, what does the Qur'an action for divorce, apostacy, again you talk shit.

 

So.because it was 1400 years ago makes human possession ok?  What a sickly thing to say.  It used to be acceptable to beat women, I suppose because in that era is was acceptable, makes it ok?  But the Qur'an being the word of God, i'm sure both of the above were vehemently outlawed and severe punishement in hell given to those?  Hence Mohammed ensured no further will slaves be kept, the right hand will possess no more?

 

I'm gonna make sure I will respond back to you and ensure the truth about you is exposed.

[Dr The Singh]

15 minutes ago, hejammy said:

What to do when you run out of any decent argument.. (not saying you had any in the first place mind you) 

Read.my next post, I finally given in, and will ensure I will respond to you, matter how much hyperbole you spout 

[GaelicFox]

4 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

 Im not defensive, I just do the have patience for fools.  You talk the most amount of crap.  So many excuses, oh I forgot Arabic has never been translated and can never be.  I kept poking?  I made a.post and you replied, so who kept poking...youve made about 6 posts and yet still haven't answered my initial question, where is the contreversy in the GGS?  Yet you've spotted so much irrelevant crap to try and justify yourself, your a joke.

 

Is the Qur'an contreversial, yes it is....nobody says you can disagree, but come up with some sort of logical discussion instead of trying to deflect it on Sikhism, for someone who is trying to defend islam, you come.accross as a little moaning child who has been told santa doesn't exist.

 

Qur'an has many actions, what does the Qur'an action for divorce, apostacy, again you talk shit.

 

So.because it was 1400 years ago makes human possession ok?  What a sickly thing to say.  It used to be acceptable to beat women, I suppose because in that era is was acceptable, makes it ok?  But the Qur'an being the word of God, i'm sure both of the above were vehemently outlawed and severe punishement in hell given to those?  Hence Mohammed ensured no further will slaves be kept, the right hand will possess no more?

 

I'm gonna make sure I will respond back to you and ensure the truth about you is exposed.

And pedophilia .... the marauding gangs of Muslim men raping and abusing white children in the UK over last 15 years  could just could be because this so called "holy book" seems to suggest sex with minors consensual or otherwise is OK ! 

[hejammy]

12 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

 Im not defensive, I just do the have patience for fools.  You talk the most amount of crap.  So many excuses, oh I forgot Arabic has never been translated and can never be.  I kept poking?  I made a.post and you replied, so who kept poking...youve made about 6 posts and yet still haven't answered my initial question, where is the contreversy in the GGS?  Yet you've spotted so much irrelevant crap to try and justify yourself, your a joke.

 

Is the Qur'an contreversial, yes it is....nobody says you can disagree, but come up with some sort of logical discussion instead of trying to deflect it on Sikhism, for someone who is trying to defend islam, you come.accross as a little moaning child who has been told santa doesn't exist.

 

Qur'an has many actions, what does the Qur'an action for divorce, apostacy, again you talk shit.

 

So.because it was 1400 years ago makes human possession ok?  What a sickly thing to say.  It used to be acceptable to beat women, I suppose because in that era is was acceptable, makes it ok?  But the Qur'an being the word of God, i'm sure both of the above were vehemently outlawed and severe punishement in hell given to those?  Hence Mohammed ensured no further will slaves be kept, the right hand will possess no more?

 

I'm gonna make sure I will respond back to you and ensure the truth about you is exposed.

OK first of all its controversial 

Secondly I mentioned the Bible, Torah and GGS, but chose to just see GGS, why not defend the other 2?

 

Thirdly - I said slavery existed 1400 years ago because you referred to mohammed having slaves, I didn't say once that it was OK now did I? Again putting "words in my mouth" 

 

Fourth - Quran does not perform action, only pop up books and musical books do that. It's the reader that performs the actions based on his or her interpretation.

 

OK and last point  - who are you, the daily mail? "the truth is exposed" 

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, GaelicFox said:

And pedophilia .... the mauraudung gangs of Muslim men raping and abusing white children in the UK over last 15 years  could just could be because this so called "holy book" seems to suggest sex with minors consensual or otherwise is OK ! 

Mate, this is a major problem with alot of Muslims of today and apologists, I totally understand that majority are good people and would never do anyone else harm, but 'brushing' contreversy under the carpet, and make excuses is not right also.  If we are going to win this war, we need the good Muslims to confront the contreversy and openly discuss the extreme elements, rather then make them a taboo to be discussed in hidden rooms

[lgfualol]

24 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I'm a lefty, however we keep getting fed the same old nonsense about Iran being our enemy, and Saudi Arabia being our friend.

Agree. Iran is our enemy because they wont bend over for the US and we bend over for the US. From what I gather, Iran are the main ones fighting and keeping those cvnts contained.

[Great Boos Up]

1 minute ago, lgfualol said:

Agree. Iran is our enemy because they wont bend over for the US and we bend over for the US. From what I gather, Iran are the main ones fighting and keeping those cvnts contained.

If we want to declare an enemy of Iran, we are all doomed. In a hypothetic war they would swat us like a fly. 

[hejammy]

13 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

And pedophilia .... the marauding gangs of Muslim men raping and abusing white children in the UK over last 15 years  could just could be because this so called "holy book" seems to suggest sex with minors consensual or otherwise is OK ! 

According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children. 

* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race

 

OK I know this is the USA but it's comparable here also. 

 

Singh suggests that Muslims "sweep this under the carpet" do you think normal Muslims want their sons to daughters exposed to these people? Really? 

 

The problem is that because we hear about Muslim grooming gangs in the media and not about others we just assume it's just a Muslim problem cause that is the hot topic. 

 

Muslims condone all this type of behaviour, some links I have sent earlier on this thread to show this. Why ignore that? Please do not just see what you want to see. Realise that media isn't the be and end all. 

[hejammy]

11 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Mate, this is a major problem with alot of Muslims of today and apologists, I totally understand that majority are good people and would never do anyone else harm, but 'brushing' contreversy under the carpet, and make excuses is not right also.  If we are going to win this war, we need the good Muslims to confront the contreversy and openly discuss the extreme elements, rather then make them a taboo to be discussed in hidden rooms

Check my previous links in the thread. No sweeping under the carpet, most Muslims hate these people as much as the next man

[Lionator]

10 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Agree. Iran is our enemy because they wont bend over for the US and we bend over for the US. From what I gather, Iran are the main ones fighting and keeping those cvnts contained.

It just shows that terrorism isn't as much as a priority for our governments compared to the wider geo-political landscape and that three letter word beginning with o which rules the world. 

[Dr The Singh]

8 minutes ago, hejammy said:

OK first of all its controversial 

Secondly I mentioned the Bible, Torah and GGS, but chose to just see GGS, why not defend the other 2?

 

Thirdly - I said slavery existed 1400 years ago because you referred to mohammed having slaves, I didn't say once that it was OK now did I? Again putting "words in my mouth" 

 

Fourth - Quran does not perform action, only pop up books and musical books do that. It's the reader that performs the actions based on his or her interpretation.

 

OK and last point  - who are you, the daily mail? "the truth is exposed" 

really, you going to expose my spelling because I've exposed you.

 

I dont believe exposing the other books adds value, exposing you as Moron was hence I pursued the GGS arguement, which has paid major fruit.

 

So do you think anyone having slaves is ok, and was it abolished In the Qur'an?

 

So I've read the Qur'an,any versions they all seem very similar.  Certain surahs universally by all scholar agree have the same Interpretation, so it's not that Interpretable.  But I take your point there maybe extreme Interpretations, hence adding to the contreversy.

 

Daily Mail??   Nice

[Dr The Singh]

14 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Check my previous links in the thread. No sweeping under the carpet, most Muslims hate these people as much as the next man

Your posts have substantiated everything I have said, well done.

[GaelicFox]

15 minutes ago, hejammy said:

According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children. 

* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race

 

OK I know this is the USA but it's comparable here also. 

 

Singh suggests that Muslims "sweep this under the carpet" do you think normal Muslims want their sons to daughters exposed to these people? Really? 

 

The problem is that because we hear about Muslim grooming gangs in the media and not about others we just assume it's just a Muslim problem cause that is the hot topic. 

 

Muslims condone all this type of behaviour, some links I have sent earlier on this thread to show this. Why ignore that? Please do not just see what you want to see. Realise that media isn't the be and end all. 

Mate there are NO other wide scale gangs gang raping British white girls 

 

its mainly only Muslim groups .....

 

your part of the problem , of you what to help Islam find a better path then please stop covering up your many brothers disgusting behaviour 

 

we all Need to front up to this problem especially moderate Muslims 

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

really, you going to expose my spelling because I've exposed you.

 

I dont believe exposing the other books adds value, exposing you as Moron was hence I pursued the GGS arguement, which has paid major fruit.

 

So do you think anyone having slaves is ok, and was it abolished In the Qur'an?

 

So I've read the Qur'an,any versions they all seem very similar.  Certain surahs universally by all scholar agree have the same Interpretation, so it's not that Interpretable.  But I take your point there maybe extreme Interpretations, hence adding to the contreversy.

 

Daily Mail??   Nice

Exposed me? Really... You are really are dilusional. Exposed me as what exactly? You kept putting words in my mouth to which I "exposed you" and denied. 

 

Again to tried to put words in my mouth, show me where I have said having slaves is OK? I will not even justify your question with an answer is it's downright ignorant. You have resorted to name calling and you called me a child? Well done for reading the Quran, you must now be also brainwashed and a terrorist right? 

[Vestan Pance]

23 minutes ago, hejammy said:

According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children. 

* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race

 

OK I know this is the USA but it's comparable here also. 

 

Singh suggests that Muslims "sweep this under the carpet" do you think normal Muslims want their sons to daughters exposed to these people? Really? 

 

The problem is that because we hear about Muslim grooming gangs in the media and not about others we just assume it's just a Muslim problem cause that is the hot topic. 

 

Muslims condone all this type of behaviour, some links I have sent earlier on this thread to show this. Why ignore that? Please do not just see what you want to see. Realise that media isn't the be and end all. 

Isn't that 70% somewhere in line with the percentage of the 'white' population? if not then maybe the high percentage is due to similar reasons why there is a hugely disproportionate amount per population of Muslims in British and European prisons.

[hejammy]

18 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

Mate there are NO other wide scale gangs gang raping British white girls 

 

its mainly only Muslim groups .....

 

your part of the problem , of you what to help Islam find a better path then please stop covering up your many brothers disgusting behaviour 

 

we all Need to front up to this problem especially moderate Muslims 

Again I will reiterate, never have I said that these problems do not exist, I have simply said that these problems exist in all creeds and colours, it's a minority. Would it be ok for me to say to you stop covering up your preists behaviour and stop them molesting young boys?  Does it really make a difference if it's gangs or individuals. You hear about rapists all the time, all colours and races, in India it's a widespread problem. Trust me if I knew of a rapist or paedophile, after I think about doing all sorts of things to them I would report them. Same goes for a terrorist. 

[hejammy]

1 minute ago, Vestan Pance said:

Isn't that 70% somewhere in line with the percentage of the 'white' population in prison? if not then maybe the high percentage is due to similar reasons why there is a hugely disproportionate amount per population of Muslims in British and European prisons.

My point is exactly that. It's not just 1 caste, creed or religion. It's a problem in all walks of life 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

9 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

He invited them to try and find a path to peace ,

 

 

Listen, you know what you can have your hard lefty leader. You can blag the facade about him trying for a path for peace.  He's never EVER attended a funeral for a soldier, a policeman or Israeli caught up in previous troubles, just those that died for their murderous causes. He deep down hates our nation and its history and is a known terrorist sympathizer, who, when it comes to the security of our nation can't bring himself to press a red button (hypothetically) and in 2015 is very clearly seen on video saying he wouldn't be happy with shoot to kill policy and was against it (in other words last night would not have been concluded in 8 minutes). For me he can have whatever dangerous views he wants on such things on the back benches. Aside of all the politics as a PM he must be trusted with our security and I, like many do not believe in him or his tea pot.

 

[Dr The Singh]

37 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Exposed me? Really... You are really are dilusional. Exposed me as what exactly? You kept putting words in my mouth to which I "exposed you" and denied. 

 

Again to tried to put words in my mouth, show me where I have said having slaves is OK? I will not even justify your question with an answer is it's downright ignorant. You have resorted to name calling and you called me a child? Well done for reading the Quran, you must now be also brainwashed and a terrorist right? 

Yawn......

 

1.  I asked you a very simple question, is the Qur'an contreversial.  Instead of answering that you made some shitty comments about other books, and GGS.  

You

2.  You were proven to be a fraud on your  GGS points, you tried so fooking hard it was shameful.  I was laughing in my cornflakes

3. I made a comparison  to your jihad to Dharam yudh, one key element is the booty of war.  You made a pathetic typical apologist response, there was slavery 1400 years ago and not so long g ago and it was acceptable.  You forgets....when was Islam formed, yes around 1400 years ago, around guess what, Mohammed's time.  If you asked everyone here is. FT, some may say your trying to justify slavery in those days

 

4.  Read the above as to words in mouth, I put two and together

 

5.  You openly admit the Qur'an can be interpreted, hence made extreme...is that no contreversial

 

6.  Your unfunny remarks regarding grammar and comparing me to daily mail, suggests you have this thought that anyone that challenges Islam or has view is right wing or even racist

 

7.  Your post elude me to thinking your a child, maybe you need to think about your behaviour on this site

 

8.  All you have is deflected anything negative about your faith, it's people from your faith that are killing from a idiology from your faith.  It's not difficult to see the correlation, I was hoping some acceptance that there is something in the doctrine.  Yet you totally refuse to accept it, instead go on the back foot.  First thing you need to solve a problem is to accept you have one.  This is islamic terrorism, there obviously is something In Islam that makes it happen?

 

9.  I asked you direct questions on the Qur'an, you have not answered any.....is slavery abolished in The quran?

 

10.  I read the Qur'an and was disturbed, how many times was '...what my right possess..'. Written.  We know what that means, I'm sure you will sugar coat and deflect it

 

11.  I know you did not say having slaves is ok, I take that back

 

12.  Your dilussional comment about Arabic and Google translate being the means to translate.  You really think Arabic has never been translated......another method to deflect or excuse what's written in the quran

 

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, GaelicFox said:

We need a law forcing  the mosque leaders/managers to report all incidents of decent and Islamic fundamentalism !!!   

 What?

 

You think mosques are full of people openly talking about mass murder and terrorism?

or

You think that people would turn a blind eye to it?

 

 

You're a closet racist. Mosques aren't full of people making bombs and planning terror attacks. Sorry to burst the bubble.