Finnaldo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1) Deport all Muslamics back to Muslamistan. 2) Fail to cease trading and place heavy embargoes on Wahhabist and Salafist hotbeds, in fact keep trading with them and give them a platform to spread their poisonous beliefs. 3) ??? 4) Profit.
yorkie1999 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 15 minutes ago, Foxxed said: This "there is too much tolerance of extremism" annoys me. What does it mean? Give me an example of such tolerance. We learnt from the Manchester bombing the guy's mosque spoke against ISIS and reported him to the police. The main source of extremism is the Saudi wahhabism. And we're giving the Saudi's loads of money. Is she saying we're going to stop trade deals with the Saudis? If so we need a coordinated approach with our allies and neighbours. It's probably difficult to dictate how a religious organisation is funded. They'll just use front organisations. But it's worthwhile trying. And giving the source of the funding money in the first place. And that'd need a move away from fossil fuels and western coordination on such. I'll give you an example. That preacher that stands at the clock tower with his PA system handing out the Koran to anyone who listens slap bang in the middle of Leicester. What's he preaching? It doesn't sound like love your fellow man to me.
bovril Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: We sell arms to Saudi Arabia, there are Wahabis in Saudi Arabia so all Islamic terrorism is our fault, that's thick. especially as these people were killed with a van and knives. This political point scoring is pathetic and hypocritical after such events. It's only political point scoring if you see everything as left vs right / labour vs conservatives.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: We sell arms to Saudi Arabia, there are Wahabis in Saudi Arabia so all Islamic terrorism is our fault, that's thick. especially as these people were killed with a van and knives. This political point scoring is pathetic and hypocritical after such events. Once again knives and vans are everyday items that millions of people use everyday. They are not necessarily dangerous items. The ideology is dangerous, and the ideology is the thing that is being exported from Saudi Arabia and that is being encouraged by the government either by censorship https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia or by accepting their bribes https://theintercept.com/2017/06/04/tory-uk-saudi-arabia-gifts-money/
Alf Bentley Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 47 minutes ago, Webbo said: So if we didn't sell arms legally to the Saudis then there wouldn't be any wahabism? Given Corbyn's, McDonnell's and Abott's support for terrorism I don't think this is a path you want to go down. 1 minute ago, Webbo said: We sell arms to Saudi Arabia, there are Wahabis in Saudi Arabia so all Islamic terrorism is our fault, that's thick. especially as these people were killed with a van and knives. This political point scoring is pathetic and hypocritical after such events. I'm not going to get dragged into this tedious debate for a third time, but I will say this: I've been on Foxes Talk for 8-9 years and have never put anyone on "ignore". Just now, I went and tried to put you on "ignore", but apparently you're not allowed to ignore Moderators. I agree with the highlighted comment in your second post above. Your first post above is a classic example of exactly what you are condemning!
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Once again knives and vans are everyday items that millions of people use everyday. They are not necessarily dangerous items. The ideology is dangerous, and the ideology is the thing that is being exported from Saudi Arabia and that is being encouraged by the government either by censorship https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia or by accepting their bribes https://theintercept.com/2017/06/04/tory-uk-saudi-arabia-gifts-money/ Well if The Intercept are saying that it must be true. Are you saying we should stop buying Saudi oil, with all the damage that would do to the economy? Do you think if the Saudi govt fell they'd be replaced by something better? If we didn't sell them arms do you think they couldn't buy them elsewhere? Do you think we'd have more influence over them? I can't be doing with this simplistic sixth form politics.
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm not going to get dragged into this tedious debate for a third time, but I will say this: I've been on Foxes Talk for 8-9 years and have never put anyone on "ignore". Just now, I went and tried to put you on "ignore", but apparently you're not allowed to ignore Moderators. I agree with the highlighted comment in your second post above. Your first post above is a classic example of exactly what you are condemning! I was replying to point scoring.
Finnaldo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: We sell arms to Saudi Arabia, there are Wahabis in Saudi Arabia so all Islamic terrorism is our fault, that's thick. especially as these people were killed with a van and knives. This political point scoring is pathetic and hypocritical after such events. The selling of arms as an individual case isn't the issue, it's the fact this state spreads their poisonous beliefs by funding cells and mosques who spew their vile beliefs and rather than blacklist or place embargoes we continue to give them a platform and seat or international recognition. We're giving ISIS's godfather a seat at the captain's table. That's the issue.
leicsmac Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: Well if The Intercept are saying that it must be true. Are you saying we should stop buying Saudi oil, with all the damage that would do to the economy? Do you think if the Saudi govt fell they'd be replaced by something better? If we didn't sell them arms do you think they couldn't buy them elsewhere? Do you think we'd have more influence over them? I can't be doing with this simplistic sixth form politics. The issue here isn't really realpolitik as you put it, it's the hypocrisy of those who call one group terrorists but then are OK with dealing with a country that at least indirectly funds other terrorists simply because they have something we want and it is easier to do so.
RoboFox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Extremists get just as much opposition from within their own communities as they do from any of us.
Rincewind Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Does May know that the other May is supporting terrorism?
bovril Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 6 minutes ago, Rincewind said: Does May know that the other May is supporting terrorism? Give it a rest. It's tiring from you and Webbo. Bodies aren't even cold.
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 minute ago, bovril said: Give it a rest. It's tiring from you and Webbo. Bodies aren't even cold. I apologise if I came across that way. I was reacting to what I thought was an attempt to make political capital out of a tragedy. If it appears that's what I was doing I'm sorry, that's the last thing I wanted.
Fox92 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Just read that a business editor for the Sunday Express tried to defend a bouncer and was stabbed in the throat. Horrid. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-isnt-happening-watch-heroic-10557375
SystonFox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 hour ago, Samilktray said: I have a shaved head and a beard and I've had a few weird looks today tbf Why?
The Doctor Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: Too right, you never know who the face behind the beard is, apart from ginger ones because you know they're only growing it as a sun barrier More because I can't be arsed to shave everyday tbh. Looking like some knockoff Henry VIII is just the trade off you make for laziness and sun protection.
Tielemans63 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 minute ago, SystonFox said: Why? It's an unusual look for a 15 year old girl.
bovril Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 9 minutes ago, Webbo said: I apologise if I came across that way. I was reacting to what I thought was an attempt to make political capital out of a tragedy. If it appears that's what I was doing I'm sorry, that's the last thing I wanted. Fair enough
SystonFox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Just now, Paddy. said: It's an unusual look for a 15 year old girl.
spacemunky Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Just read that a business editor for the Sunday Express tried to defend a bouncer and was stabbed in the throat. Horrid. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-isnt-happening-watch-heroic-10557375 Brave man. Best wishes to him.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 2 hours ago, hejammy said: As is the Torah, Bible and The Sri - gur granth sahib amongst others (controversial) Dr Singh you should not omit fact from your apparent disapproval of Islam. The things you refer to when stating Islamic terrorism is not a new thing can be applied to any of these religions. As I've said other religions have evolved Islamic nations have not. Non of the above that you have mentioned are indescriminantly killing innocent people of there own nation. There is nothing in The Granth sahib that says do terrorist acts, the Granth sahib isn't a rule book, it's about elevation. There is nothing I. The Granth sahib that would result I. Killing non believers. Please do tell me these contraversies in the Guru Granth Sahib?
Rincewind Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 26 minutes ago, bovril said: Give it a rest. It's tiring from you and Webbo. Bodies aren't even cold. apologies. It was seeing similar posts. It was not meant to be how it seemed.
hejammy Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 25 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: As I've said other religions have evolved Islamic nations have not. Non of the above that you have mentioned are indescriminantly killing innocent people of there own nation. There is nothing in The Granth sahib that says do terrorist acts, the Granth sahib isn't a rule book, it's about elevation. There is nothing I. The Granth sahib that would result I. Killing non believers. Please do tell me these contraversies in the Guru Granth Sahib? So places like Dubai, Malaysia, most of Turkey etc are not evolved? You forget that Saudi, Iraq etc are not the only "Islamic countries" Militant Sikhs have engaged in terrorist killings and other violent campaigns "to back their demand for the creation of an independent country - which they call Khalistan - in Punjab" In 1984, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi ordered troops to attack these radical Sikhs at the Golden Temple in the city of Amritsar, Sikhism's holiest shrine. The siege resulted in an estimated 1500 deaths, sparked protests and riots around the world with many more killings, and four months later led to the assassination of Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguard. I don't want to get into a religious debate with you. All I am trying to say is that most religions have their bad sides and good sides. Hot topic is "Islam" and its small faction of the bad side. In the 80s it was the catholics and the IRA. You know as well as I that India has had its fair share of fighting in the name of religion. Muslims in the 80s and 90s were just seen as "one of the Asians"
Carl the Llama Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Fvcking terrible thing to happen, nobody should arbitrarily lose their life just because some cvnts have a problem with a way of life associated with the country they live in. Thoughts go out to all the victims and those close to them. That said I'd now like everybody to take a second to reflect on the Three Lions looking twats who spent last night driving up a kerb then running around with fake suicide vests and embarrassingly low-grade weaponry, continuing the recent trend of terrorists who look like clueless morons with crap resources because our counter terrorist chaps are actually already doing quite a good job when it comes to preventing them from getting their hands on the skills/tools/ingredients necessary for more successful acts of fear and destruction. Now have a good laugh at the three car wankers. Hopefully you all feel a bit better now. If you get scared and start letting them get to you all that does is give the government an excuse to strip you of your freedoms in the name of safety ie. the Chinese internet proposals. I refuse to lose my free porn just because some people don't understand that literally anybody with functioning motor skills can buy a knife and drive onto a pavement.
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 42 minutes ago, Webbo said: I apologise if I came across that way. I was reacting to what I thought was an attempt to make political capital out of a tragedy. If it appears that's what I was doing I'm sorry, that's the last thing I wanted. Actually, after re reading @Sharpe's Fox post I over reacted . I apologise to him too.
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