Incident at London Bridge

[SystonFox]

How do you tell if someone is "Muslim" just by looking at them? 

 

Just out of interest

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

I don't think the bloke who killed Jo Cox last year was very Muslim.

 

Think again.

 

 

You're arguing with a man who omits the verb to be and the indefinite article from the phrase "it's a fact". Which is irony right there.

[Dr The Singh]

13 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

I don't think the bloke who killed Jo Cox last year was very Muslim.

 

Think again.

 

 

What's a very Muslim?  The guy who formed the islamic state of Pakistan is revered as one of the greatest in that nation, wasn't very Muslim, he ate pork, and did loads of baaaad stuff

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

How do you tell if someone is "Muslim" just by looking at them? 

 

Just out of interest

[bovril]

1 minute ago, SystonFox said:

How do you tell if someone is "Muslim" just by looking at them? 

 

Just out of interest

Beard innit. Famous muslims include: Brian Blessed, Abraham Lincoln and Ryan Fitzpatrick of the New York Jets.

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

Beard innit. Famous muslims include: Brian Blessed, Abraham Lincoln and Ryan Fitzpatrick of the New York Jets.

Ban the beard then, apart from ginger ones

[Tielemans63]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

Beard innit. Famous muslims include: Brian Blessed, Abraham Lincoln and Ryan Fitzpatrick of the New York Jets.

Pretty sure Captain Birdseye founded Al Nusra.

[SystonFox]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

Beard innit. Famous muslims include: Brian Blessed, Abraham Lincoln and Ryan Fitzpatrick of the New York Jets.

Best get mesen in the bathroom and trim

me beard down before I get deported back to Syston.

 

deport all muslims. Fvckin love that line

[urban.spaceman]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

Ban the beard then, apart from ginger ones

Hooray for racist pogonophobia! 

[hejammy]

7 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I think we have to disagree, Islamic terrorism is not a new thing, it has been going in since the day it was formed.  Any book of law or guidance or any totalariam concept that can is up for interpretation in an extreme form, is dangerous.   Not wanting it to be a Islamic debate, it's fair to say the Qur'an and Mohammed himself are controversial.  A sixth century law book and a 6th century guy who is seen as the epitome of man, being used in the 20th century, there is bound to be controversy.

As is the Torah, Bible and The Sri - gur granth sahib amongst others (controversial) Dr Singh you should not omit fact from your apparent disapproval of Islam. The things you refer to when stating Islamic terrorism is not a new thing can be applied to any of these religions. 

 

 

 

[The Guvnor]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/may-we-are-too-tolerant-of-extremism/ar-BBBVYbg?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

 

At last the fcuking penny has dropped

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Hooray for racist pogonophobia! 

Too right, you never know who the face behind the beard is, apart from ginger ones because you know they're only growing it as a sun barrier

[Vacamion]

My copy of The Sunday Times (so, hardly a lefty rag) which was published *before* last night's events, reports on a "surge in anti Muslim hate crime".

 

This thread, and my Twitter and Facebook feeds, suggest that surge will increase.

 

Modern life is rubbish.

 

 

[Innovindil]

5 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

My copy of The Sunday Times (so, hardly a lefty rag) which was published *before* last night's events, reports on a "surge in anti Muslim hate crime".

 

This thread, and my Twitter and Facebook feeds, suggest that surge will increase.

 

Modern life is rubbish.

 

 

It's almost like seeing fellow countrymen get killed could upset people. Who knew? 

[LiberalFox]

19 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Well one solution is to have a counter terrorism specialist in every mosque in the country and the authorities must have a list of every Muslim man of a certain age group that's visited Syria or Libya in the last couple of years

 

Well the first one sounds okay but then most mosques will have no issues with terrorism so putting a specialist there would be a waste of resources. The second one is something we likely have.

[urban.spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

My copy of The Sunday Times (so, hardly a lefty rag) which was published *before* last night's events, reports on a "surge in anti Muslim hate crime".

 

This thread, and my Twitter and Facebook feeds, suggest that surge will increase.

 

Modern life is rubbish.

The Sunday Times quoted TellMAMA - who have been discredited again and again since they lost their government funding when they were discovered to be "doping" their figures of "Islamophobic attacks" by including online comments with physical/verbal attacks. Turns out most of their figures on "hate crimes" were actually people posting online saying they just disliked Islam. They cannot ever be taken seriously again. 

[Vacamion]

1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

It's almost like seeing fellow countrymen get killed could upset people. Who knew? 

You appear to be suggesting that being upset about terrorists justifies attacking innocent people, because those people share a religion with criminals.

 

Britain, famed for democracy and the rule of law, is better than that.

 

 

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, LiberalFox said:

 

Well the first one sounds okay but then most mosques will have no issues with terrorism so putting a specialist there would be a waste of resources. The second one is something we likely have.

Increase the resources, its only money at the end of the day which would be probably far less than the clean up costs and media costs etc after these acts occur. 

[Strokes]

35 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

A mosque will burn down and people inside will die.

 

Another attack will result etc etc etc.

 

We're all ****ed.

I'm afraid this might be the way we are going, in for a rough ride.

[leicsmac]

Horrendous stuff, once again. Low tech attack by death-worshipping fascists.

 

And every time after one of these events the same damn discussions pop up, but right now pretty much all I can say is this; if you want to go down the thoughtcrime path in the name of "added security" (in whatever way that is suggested and there have been plenty of suggestions in this thread)...then that's your own viewpoint and fair enough but it's a very, very slippery slope you would be embarking upon. 

[LiberalFox]

8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Increase the resources, its only money at the end of the day which would be probably far less than the clean up costs and media costs etc after these acts occur. 

 

But where do you draw the limit? The resources allocated to tackling terrorism are already huge and growing year by year. Only a tiny minority of mosques harbour people who sympathise with terror attacks so putting a terrorism expert there would be wasteful. I'm not trying to be argumentative by the way, just saying how it's impossible to solve the issue with a simple solution. 

[Samilktray]

I have a shaved head and a beard and I've had a few weird looks today tbf 

[Tielemans63]

 “It is time to say enough is enough. Everybody needs to go about their lives as they normally would. Our society should continue to function in accordance with our values. But when it comes to taking on extremism and terrorism, things need to change.”

 

May said the recent spate of attacks showed the UK was “experiencing a new trend in the threat we face”.

She said: “As terrorism breeds terrorism and perpetrators are inspired to attack, not only on the basis of carefully constructed plots after years of planning and training, and not even as lone attackers radicalised online, but by copying one another and often using the crudest of means of attack.”

May said action was needed in the UK as well as overseas. She said: “While we have made significant progress in recent years, there is – to be frank – far too much tolerance of extremism in our country.

 

“But the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism, and we need to live our lives not in a series of separated, segregated communities, but as one truly United Kingdom.”

May’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, who was formerly London’s mayor, also warned that attitudes must change, saying: “The wells of tolerance are running empty.”

In a statement, Johnson urged Londoners to “carry on with business as usual”, but said: “To those who sympathise or encourage or harbour or aid or abet these killers – in any way – we say enough is enough. Your time is up.”

 

So what are you actually going to do Theresa? A load of ****ing hot air as bloody usual. Just a series of empty words. This is why I can't stand the woman. 

 

This isn't some implicit support for Corbyn btw, he's just as bad. Obviously most politicians have an aversion to actually telling the truth but May seems to be turning bare-faced dishonesty into an art form.

[Rincewind]

Just had to come off Facebook. Some right misinformed people. There are posts such as 'Kill the C...s Dirty f...kers.

Then they are blaming Human Rights Do gooders and lefties. I know the people and sometimes they talk about depression. I wonder if they realise that if it was not for Human Rights people would still be thrown in asylums wearing straight jackets?

I have known them for years and one who I worked with was anti foreigner 2o plus years ago when I knew her and it seems her daughters sisters nieces have followed suit. For them I don't think the label 'Muslim' matters They are non British so therefore dirty c...s

Isnt this hate preach like the preachers that they would be calling to be deported?

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

 

But where do you draw the limit? The resources allocated to tackling terrorism are already huge and growing year by year. Only a tiny minority of mosques harbour people who sympathise with terror attacks so putting a terrorism expert there would be wasteful. I'm not trying to be argumentative by the way, just saying how it's impossible to solve the issue with a simple solution. 

Wonder how many mosques there actually are in this country