Dr The Singh Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 43 minutes ago, hejammy said: According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children. * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race OK I know this is the USA but it's comparable here also. Singh suggests that Muslims "sweep this under the carpet" do you think normal Muslims want their sons to daughters exposed to these people? Really? The problem is that because we hear about Muslim grooming gangs in the media and not about others we just assume it's just a Muslim problem cause that is the hot topic. Muslims condone all this type of behaviour, some links I have sent earlier on this thread to show this. Why ignore that? Please do not just see what you want to see. Realise that media isn't the be and end all. So what's the proportion of: 1.Muslim peodos in prison In Relation to say white. 2. Pakistani and Bangladeshi paedos in relation to Sikh and Hindus 3. Overall stats of Muslim prisoners. 4. Overall Pakistani and Bangali compared to Sikhs and Hindus There's a trend, I will let you figure it out. Considering the populist of Pak& Bangali are same as Sikh&Hindu, it's shocking.
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 8 minutes ago, AKCJ said: You're a closet racist. Ah the age old lost the argument with this retort.... You need to remove this sort of comment and allow reasoned debate even if those views aren't yours. His post was fair comment and was around solutions and not just a blind hatred, or racism. By the way please use the new liberals word, Islamophobia, even if its not justified as in this case. Islam is NOT a race.
hejammy Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 39 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: So what's the proportion of: 1.Muslim peodos in prison In Relation to say white. 2. Pakistani and Bangladeshi paedos in relation to Sikh and Hindus 3. Overall stats of Muslim prisoners. 4. Overall Pakistani and Bangali compared to Sikhs and Hindus There's a trend, I will let you figure it out. Considering the populist of Pak& Bangali are same as Sikh&Hindu, it's shocking. So since when are we comparing pak and beng (2 countries) vs sikh and hindu (2 religions)? give up Mr Singh, we know you love your religion, but some conversations can be had without sikhism being introduced.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Just now, hejammy said: So since when are we comparing pak and beng (2 counties) vs sikh and hindu (2 religions) give up Mr Singh, we know you love your religion, but some conversations can be had without sikhism being introduced. It's just like comparing white American to Islamic Americans. I think a better comparison is like for like ethnic groups, this will give a far more detail evaluation and add light to a possible problem Do you not agree? You being a good Muslim boy, this is something you should be interested in. I'm sure your the type that will take great knowledge.and empower yourself and do greater good for your faith, highlight it within your circles and take action to ensure young muslims aren't getting into trouble? Why always think negative, think of how we can help you and help others..... I'm more then happy to help you, do t worry, your not alone, don't be afraid...
Rincewind Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 hour ago, GaelicFox said: He invited them to try and find a path to peace , this Corbyn and the IRA stuff is ignorance of the highest order .... he tried to negotiate peace ... while he was having tea with them MI5 and special branch were bribing them and killing people for them ... honestly the ignorance about Anglo Irish politics in the U.K. Is frightening ! And dangerous there is little to link the IRA and Islamic fundamentalists other than murder the IRA were freedom fighting psychopathic terrorists this Islamic psychopathic barbaric stuff isn't about freedom it's about fecking taking over the world !!!! Makimg islam rule the world and convert us all to Islam or Kill us all ! Please stop pandering to a Tory election tact that is boring and dangerous Thanks for the reasoned explanation. I cannot remember the invite I had last week let alone one someone I do not know had over 30 years ago. I thought it was just something repeated from a Murdoch publication. He does not like Corbyn much you know.
hejammy Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 16 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Yawn...... 1. I asked you a very simple question, is the Qur'an contreversial. Instead of answering that you made some shitty comments about other books, and GGS. You 2. You were proven to be a fraud on your GGS points, you tried so fooking hard it was shameful. I was laughing in my cornflakes 3. I made a comparison to your jihad to Dharam yudh, one key element is the booty of war. You made a pathetic typical apologist response, there was slavery 1400 years ago and not so long g ago and it was acceptable. You forgets....when was Islam formed, yes around 1400 years ago, around guess what, Mohammed's time. If you asked everyone here is. FT, some may say your trying to justify slavery in those days 4. Read the above as to words in mouth, I put two and together 5. You openly admit the Qur'an can be interpreted, hence made extreme...is that no contreversial 6. Your unfunny remarks regarding grammar and comparing me to daily mail, suggests you have this thought that anyone that challenges Islam or has view is right wing or even racist 7. Your post elude me to thinking your a child, maybe you need to think about your behaviour on this site 8. All you have is deflected anything negative about your faith, it's people from your faith that are killing from a idiology from your faith. It's not difficult to see the correlation, I was hoping some acceptance that there is something in the doctrine. Yet you totally refuse to accept it, instead go on the back foot. First thing you need to solve a problem is to accept you have one. This is islamic terrorism, there obviously is something In Islam that makes it happen? 9. I asked you direct questions on the Qur'an, you have not answered any.....is slavery abolished in The quran? 10. I read the Qur'an and was disturbed, how many times was '...what my right possess..'. Written. We know what that means, I'm sure you will sugar coat and deflect it 11. I know you did not say having slaves is ok, I take that back 12. Your dilussional comment about Arabic and Google translate being the means to translate. You really think Arabic has never been translated......another method to deflect or excuse what's written in the quran OK this one.... Where do I start... 1. I did answer that, mentioning Bible etc, leading to the fact that which old religious text isn't controversial 2. Fraud? I stated fact. Did what I say not happen? We're they not religiously motivated as they were trying to get back their religious holy place? And cornflakes? What's that got to do with the price of fish? 3. A lot of what you say here makes no sense to me. BUT I assure you that most people here would not see me justifying slavery, just me pointing out that it was rife in those times. And obviously I made the point about 1400 years as that was when Islam started... Duh! 4. More often than not, your maths is as bad as your spelling.... 2 and 2 for you make God knows what but not 4 (sometimes you have to lighten the mood with some grammer police humour) (and not saying my English grammer is immaculate) 5. See point 1 as you've just repeated what you said 6. Again you are adding 2 plus 2 and making 8. Where did I say you were racist or did I say anyone saying anything about Muslims is racist. You are the one who spews venom constantly about Islam 7. I apologies to anyone who thinks my behaviour is childish. Not intended... (and you can spin on my middle finger if you do think it is ) 8. Murders, rapes etc happen all the time, Islamic terrorist use the religion as an excuse to commit these heinous atrocities, that's me hardly deflecting. It's you assuming that the extremely small percentage of Muslims committing these crimes are because of solely what they read in the Quran. It's their view on it. If the Quran was so bad there would be far more atrocious events than currently. There are around 1.8 billion Muslims in the world you know..... 9. What kind of question is this? Does the Bible change any parts which don't sit well with modern society? Are you actually just stupid? 10. I genuinely don't know what you mean here so you will have to elaborate 11. Why thank you for that 12. Obviously me saying that you used Google translate was tongue in cheek to illustrate how translation from one language to another can be misinterpreted. Unfortunately you didn't get that. OK a question for you : Talking about deflection, why does everything have to be about how horrible Islam is and how great sikhism is? Why are you making assumptions about my faith? I'm sorry have I stated anywhere what faith I am? Perhaps my name gives it away? No? Again your maths need work my friend.
yorkie1999 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Fvck me they're bringing their wars on a football forum now!
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Can we tone it down a bit please chaps? I know I've been guilty too but it's getting a bit personal now.
hejammy Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 20 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: It's just like comparing white American to Islamic Americans. I think a better comparison is like for like ethnic groups, this will give a far more detail evaluation and add light to a possible problem Do you not agree? You being a good Muslim boy, this is something you should be interested in. I'm sure your the type that will take great knowledge.and empower yourself and do greater good for your faith, highlight it within your circles and take action to ensure young muslims aren't getting into trouble? Why always think negative, think of how we can help you and help others..... I'm more then happy to help you, do t worry, your not alone, don't be afraid... Again with the assumptions..... I certainly do not need help.... You on the other hand.... Anger management ever been thought about? Oh and Islamic Americans....
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 hour ago, Lionator said: I'm a lefty, however we keep getting fed the same old nonsense about Iran being our enemy, and Saudi Arabia being our friend. Looking at the current Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, he's overseen some of the most aggressive progressive alterations over the past few years in any country in the world. The people of a democratic Iran have an appetite for progression and while they have an appalling human rights record, here is a country that is starting to make changes to fit in with 2017. Saudi Arabia on the other hand, no democracy, not even the merest sign of a hunt towards equality for women and any other poor soul who is in the minority and yet who is our friend and who is our enemy? It's an utter disgrace and we're being taken for mugs by our governments here in the west. The current situation is the culmination of a series of government's who's staggering inepitude has resulted in the conditions for terrorism to thrive on our very shores. Blair and Cameron's appalling foreign policy decisions, May's blood-curdling decision to reduce police numbers and the combination who have allowed extremists the infiltrate Mosque's within the UK as well as cosying up to the country that literally funds this form of extremist behaviour. There is no easy answer, if there was, this wouldn't be happening, but we're at a crisis point and it's going to take a good few years for us to get out of it, especially when we elect the same old, same old time after time. Can we please remember the state of the countries finances in 2010 they inherited. I'm not blindly defending the decision around police number reduction through reduced recruitment, but a need to reduce the huge deficit at the time was the primary driving force in Police numbers reducing. This was coupled with very clear parallels in reduced/reducing crime numbers, increasing shift to internet crime and smart policing ironically orientated into special forces (counter Terrorism). Corbyn is going for the simple soundbite of more police. Its more complicated a debate than just numbers (don't ask Diane). Its what type of police you need nowadays, what is their individual workload, what sort of back-office staff are needed and so on. Are you saying more police will stop radicalism infiltrating Mosques? I would argue this could actually be counter-productive and maybe heavy handed? Don't get me wrong the imams and mosques need close dialogue with the police, but would having 5 turn up instead of 2 for the chat really work. No, the Muslim community are the ones to reduce / eradicate this minority radical virus amongst them, coupled with close community policing.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 2 minutes ago, hejammy said: Again with the assumptions..... I certainly do not need help.... You on the other hand.... Anger management ever been thought about? Oh and Islamic Americans.... I'm disappointed, I thought we could have a really good discussion about the social problems within South Asian ethnic groups....cus, im sure your aware the islamic lot of the south Asian immigrant group are in a greater proportion, more likely to be in prison, and more shockingly, for paedo acts. Oh well...
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 7 minutes ago, hejammy said: Again with the assumptions..... I certainly do not need help.... You on the other hand.... Anger management ever been thought about? Oh and Islamic Americans.... Just now, Dr The Singh said: I'm disappointed, I thought we could have a really good discussion about the social problems within South Asian ethnic groups....cus, im sure your aware the islamic lot of the south Asian immigrant group are in a greater proportion, more likely to be in prison, and more shockingly, for paedo acts. Oh well... Please you 2. Can we stop this now?
tom27111 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 They feed off hate, this is what they want The bastards have taken down FoxesTalk. Brutal.
act smiley Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 13 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Can we please remember the state of the countries finances in 2010 they inherited. I'm not blindly defending the decision around police number reduction through reduced recruitment, but a need to reduce the huge deficit at the time was the primary driving force in Police numbers reducing. This was coupled with very clear parallels in reduced/reducing crime numbers, increasing shift to internet crime and smart policing ironically orientated into special forces (counter Terrorism). Corbyn is going for the simple soundbite of more police. Its more complicated a debate than just numbers (don't ask Diane). Its what type of police you need nowadays, what is their individual workload, what sort of back-office staff are needed and so on. Are you saying more police will stop radicalism infiltrating Mosques? I would argue this could actually be counter-productive and maybe heavy handed? Don't get me wrong the imams and mosques need close dialogue with the police, but would having 5 turn up instead of 2 for the chat really work. No, the Muslim community are the ones to reduce / eradicate this minority radical virus amongst them, coupled with close community policing. The country's finances in 2010 were recovering; when they took over GDP was going back up again, unemployment was going down, then because they wanted to reduce the defecit quicker, they tanked the economy leaving us with a lower GDP now than in 2010 and a several-year spike in unemployment. Also, the defecit has gone up, so they didn't even get that sorted. They're complete ****wits. Source is: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/l2kq/pn2 (slight mistake in that the current GDP is slightly higher than Q2, but lower still than Q3 2010 and the unemployment stats I was looking at only went up to 2015)http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Can a mod close this? Whilst discussion is good, this isn't particularly constructive.
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 minute ago, act smiley said: The country's finances in 2010 were recovering; when they took over GDP was going back up again, unemployment was going down, then because they wanted to reduce the defecit quicker, they tanked the economy leaving us with a lower GDP now than in 2010 and higher unemployment. Also, the defecit has gone up, so they didn't even get that sorted. They're complete ****wits. None of that is true.
Chico1958 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 I know I've put this on another thread but come on people............ Chill Out
Webbo Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Just now, Realist Guy In The Room said: Can a mod close this? Whilst discussion is good, this isn't particularly constructive. I've considered it but people want to discuss these things. It'll only move to other threads.
yorkie1999 Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 Just watching the news, one of these guys was reported to the police on a number of occasions with fellow muslims believing he had been radicalised because of the stuff he was spouting and listening to. What chance have people got when the police ignore warnings.
Mark Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 18 minutes ago, Webbo said: Can we tone it down a bit please chaps? I know I've been guilty too but it's getting a bit personal now. ^^ 1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Can a mod close this? Whilst discussion is good, this isn't particularly constructive. Thread bans or worse will follow if this carries on.
Guest Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said: Just watching the news, one of these guys was reported to the police on a number of occasions with fellow muslims believing he had been radicalised because of the stuff he was spouting and listening to. What chance have people got when the police ignore warnings. There's a certain impossibility to all of this. We don't have the thought police in this country. Unless they've actually committed a crime there's absolutely nothing the police can do.
Lionator Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 15 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said: Can we please remember the state of the countries finances in 2010 they inherited. I'm not blindly defending the decision around police number reduction through reduced recruitment, but a need to reduce the huge deficit at the time was the primary driving force in Police numbers reducing. This was coupled with very clear parallels in reduced/reducing crime numbers, increasing shift to internet crime and smart policing ironically orientated into special forces (counter Terrorism). Corbyn is going for the simple soundbite of more police. Its more complicated a debate than just numbers (don't ask Diane). Its what type of police you need nowadays, what is their individual workload, what sort of back-office staff are needed and so on. Are you saying more police will stop radicalism infiltrating Mosques? I would argue this could actually be counter-productive and maybe heavy handed? Don't get me wrong the imams and mosques need close dialogue with the police, but would having 5 turn up instead of 2 for the chat really work. No, the Muslim community are the ones to reduce / eradicate this minority radical virus amongst them, coupled with close community policing. Quite honestly I haven't the foggiest. I'd say somehow or other we really need to get into the nooks and crannies of society and not just let this sort of thing slide. 2 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Can a mod close this? Whilst discussion is good, this isn't particularly constructive. While terrorism will never win, they've got the country arguing and made the mood very bitter which is probably the most wide-reaching consequence that their actions can have. It can completely change the face of our society. We all need to stand up to this in one way or another, get the non-extreme Muslims on our side and grit our teeth over the next few months/years.
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