Guest MattP Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Sad as it is, a Merkel victory is probably the least worse option for us as she is very pro trade/business. Schultz really isn't.
Webbo Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 There's a pro business party ( something like the FDP?) who are likely to form part of the coalition. They've been saying they should give Britain a good deal.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 1 hour ago, KingGTF said: Is John McDonnell the most dangerous man in Britain? https://capx.co/is-this-the-most-dangerous-man-in-britain/ Him and Chris Williamson are the dream team imo
Guest Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 5 hours ago, KingGTF said: Is John McDonnell the most dangerous man in Britain? https://capx.co/is-this-the-most-dangerous-man-in-britain/ Well that isn't a particularly interesting article. Alistair Darling guaranteeing people's savings is exactly the sort of policy I would expect McDonnell to enact. I've no doubt that he is against the status quo - and the status quo is failing ordinary people so fair play to him - but how that alone can be used to ask a rhetorical question about how he would have handled the crisis is just bizarre. The article doesn't see to go anywhere.
Buce Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Furious Tories urge May to sack Bozo: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/16/may-too-weak-fire-johnson-say-furious-tories
Strokes Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 Gwon Boris, get us the brexit we voted for. Mays a snake and Hammond is a rat. Even if he is a stalking horse, it might be enough to stop them watering down brexit.
Guest MattP Posted 16 September 2017 Posted 16 September 2017 9 minutes ago, Strokes said: Gwon Boris, get us the brexit we voted for. Mays a snake and Hammond is a rat. Even if he is a stalking horse, it might be enough to stop them watering down brexit. Damn right.
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 (edited) Remoaners’ dream of a second referendum ‘is stone dead’ thanks to EU’s arrogance - Farage - Expresshttp://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/855082/brexit-news-eu-uk-latest-nigel-farage-brussels-jean-claude-juncker How did any leave voters react in here, does further federalisation concern you? Has junker gone too far? Or is Farage talking out his arse and you will never accept you might be wrong? Edited 17 September 2017 by Strokes
Webbo Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 2 hours ago, Strokes said: Remoaners’ dream of a second referendum ‘is stone dead’ thanks to EU’s arrogance - Farage - Expresshttp://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/855082/brexit-news-eu-uk-latest-nigel-farage-brussels-jean-claude-juncker How did any leave voters react in here, does further federalisation concern you? Has junker gone too far? Or is Farage talking out his arse and you will never accept you might be wrong? #inbeforetoddybad. Can you copy and paste that? I'm not paying money to the Express
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: #inbeforetoddybad. Can you copy and paste that? I'm not paying money to the Express Lol, na. Nobody but @Alf Bentley bothers too accommodate me and my crusade.
The Floyd Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 Dawn Butler criticises public sector pay rise not being an increase in real terms but then refuses to say if Labour's public sector pay rise would be greater than rate of inflation.
foxinexile Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 3 hours ago, Strokes said: Remoaners’ dream of a second referendum ‘is stone dead’ thanks to EU’s arrogance - Farage - Expresshttp://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/855082/brexit-news-eu-uk-latest-nigel-farage-brussels-jean-claude-juncker How did any leave voters react in here, does further federalisation concern you? Has junker gone too far? Or is Farage talking out his arse and you will never accept you might be wrong? Not according to Vince Cable ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41294083 I have no particular opinion on who might/might not be right/wrong (Farage vs Cable isn't a fight that would fill most people with anticipation I imagine), but it's always good to balance the argument ...
Carl the Llama Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 5 hours ago, Strokes said: Or is Farage talking out his arse I've not read the link because I find your source to be a violent attack on my safe space but probably: That's Farage's MO, it's what pays his bills, it's his raison d’être. 5 hours ago, Strokes said: and you will never accept you might be wrong? Sigh. Tell us more about how you want to hold an honest, open-minded debate.
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 23 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I've not read the link because I find your source to be a violent attack on my safe space but probably: That's Farage's MO, it's what pays his bills, it's his raison d’être. Sigh. Tell us more about how you want to hold an honest, open-minded debate. It's alright, it only says we are right and you are wrong and that remainers are a bunch of self loathing, champagne quaffing, gender bending quislings. I'm paraphrasing of course.
Charl91 Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 15 hours ago, Strokes said: Gwon Boris, get us the brexit we voted for. Mays a snake and Hammond is a rat. Even if he is a stalking horse, it might be enough to stop them watering down brexit. The one with the £350m?
lifted*fox Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 to be honest a vote once we know the terms of the deal would be a perfectly reasonable idea tbh. i'm in favour of remain but if the deal was agreeable and it looked like a good way to move forward for the UK and myself then I'd have no issue changing my mind. I get the feeling that most people (including many in this thread) who want a 'hard' Brexit would push on regardless even if the deal looked like it would be bad for the UK and them personally; it seems to be more about the act of ****ing off the EU than basing it on any actual economic / factual evidence. 1
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 19 minutes ago, Charl91 said: The one with the £350m? I didn't vote for that brexit, I'd rather we didn't give the black hole NHS more money personally.
Charl91 Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: I didn't vote for that brexit, I'd rather we didn't give the black hole NHS more money personally. What would you rather? Genuine question, just wondering what people think the viable alternatives are. A more privatised system?
Carl the Llama Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: It's alright, it only says we are right and you are wrong and that remainers are a bunch of self loathing, champagne quaffing, gender bending quislings. I'm paraphrasing of course. I think the article was a bit kinder than that but I take your point that it's essentially a bias confirmation piece. (Shit you got me I did read the article, I guess I still have a bit to learn from you about wilful ignorance.)
leicsmac Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 25 minutes ago, Charl91 said: What would you rather? Genuine question, just wondering what people think the viable alternatives are. A more privatised system? I wouldn't mind knowing this either. Is it a false dichotomy between more fully funding the NHS and going for an American style system? If so, what's the middle road?
Innovindil Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 27 minutes ago, Charl91 said: What would you rather? Genuine question, just wondering what people think the viable alternatives are. A more privatised system? A better ran system. Far too much waste. £800 for a £30 blind was one of the stories that popped up last year. How can you overspend on everything and just expect more money to spaff away?
Buce Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 41 minutes ago, Strokes said: I didn't vote for that brexit, I'd rather we didn't give the black hole NHS more money personally. How is it going to fund your holidays without it?
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 58 minutes ago, Charl91 said: What would you rather? Genuine question, just wondering what people think the viable alternatives are. A more privatised system? I think it needs scaling down and parts of it privatising yes. It's behemoth and it's eating up money and it will never stop unless lines are drawn. What we need are clear lines drawn between what is the states responsibility when it comes to healthcare. In its current format it needs infinite funds and the whole service seems to suffer. GPs privatise but fund welfare and students. Cosmetics, privatise completely. Dental privatise completely. I don't think giving it more money solves the issues it faces.
Strokes Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 22 minutes ago, Buce said: How is it going to fund your holidays without it? We can seemingly afford them even on this modest wage, one shouldn't be too greedy my friend. Im off to Scotland tomorrow and I'm away again at half term, it's not all bad
leicsmac Posted 17 September 2017 Posted 17 September 2017 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: I think it needs scaling down and parts of it privatising yes. It's behemoth and it's eating up money and it will never stop unless lines are drawn. What we need are clear lines drawn between what is the states responsibility when it comes to healthcare. In its current format it needs infinite funds and the whole service seems to suffer. GPs privatise but fund welfare and students. Cosmetics, privatise completely. Dental privatise completely. I don't think giving it more money solves the issues it faces. So...an American style system then?
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