Nick Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: I think there are a number of people who that applies to rather more than @Col city fan on these forums... Yeah but they are not as good fun to have a good natured prod and poke at!
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2017 Author Posted 5 August 2017 Just now, Swan Lesta said: Yeah but they are not as good fun to have a good natured prod and poke at! True story.
sycokilla Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 I think a lot of the players in the epl winning team felt that team will never again achieve it. So moving to a new club seems appealing. It was a team built over 5 or so years and it kept improving until it hit its peak of the title and a respectable finish in the CL but that team is now on a downward curve. So I like what the club is doing now...good young players all under 25, Ineacho,Ndidi,Gray, Maguire, Chilwell, Lawrence all good and potentially great players being moulded into a new team starting from a much higher standard than the original EPL winning team. So if the club continues with this policy we are building a team that will only improve and will be in europe within the next three years and be capablele of winning the EPL again. the other great thing in our favour is that the club including commercial, coaching and management and some senior players now know exactly what it takes to win the EPL. Thats an advantage not many clubs have. As far as team spirit is concerned, this comes from Management, by buying players that fit into that ethos and the team spirit will grow with successes
Countryfox Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 4 hours ago, StanSP said: Drnkwater out and Silva in ... 4 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: Without question ... NO. NO. NO. NO !
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2017 Author Posted 5 August 2017 Just now, Countryfox said: NO. NO. NO. NO ! Thanks for the double abridgement...
Countryfox Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 10 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Thanks for the double abridgement... You're quite welcome Peaky ... and if you want anything else abridging ... single, double .. or otherwise ... just let me know.
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2017 Author Posted 5 August 2017 3 minutes ago, Countryfox said: You're quite welcome Peaky ... and if you want anything else abridging ... single, double .. or otherwise ... just let me know. Nuisance
Countryfox Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 4 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: I have been pondering, what with the (seemingly) inevitable sale of Mahrez, and rumours of Drinkwater going, that the key to our future may be in having to let SOME of our Champions go. I think that having too many of those heroes around for too long may end up being a false economy, and diluting those that remain (that I hope are still hungry) with fresher players may yet be necessary in order to progress. It's a difficult thing, letting these players go, and I don't expect people to either agree or necessarily understand what I'm meaning, but I think last season demonstrated a lot of psychological baggage - a new team is starting to emerge, and losing DD in particular might be a blessing in disguise, much as I like him. Our title winning team was a freak but with good acquisitions and clever management that COULD have been turned into a regular top ten finishing team ... alas I think we missed the boat (although overall we gave it a reasonable shot). I think we should not actively change things around, personnel wise, but replace when necessary e.g. two new solid young centrebacks.
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2017 Author Posted 5 August 2017 2 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Our title winning team was a freak but with good acquisitions and clever management that COULD have been turned into a regular top ten finishing team ... alas I think we missed the boat (although overall we gave it a reasonable shot). I think we should not actively change things around, personnel wise, but replace when necessary e.g. two new solid young centrebacks. I don't necessarily disagree with that. It's another view in a similar vein.
StriderHiryu Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 2 hours ago, sycokilla said: I think a lot of the players in the epl winning team felt that team will never again achieve it. So moving to a new club seems appealing. It was a team built over 5 or so years and it kept improving until it hit its peak of the title and a respectable finish in the CL but that team is now on a downward curve. So I like what the club is doing now...good young players all under 25, Ineacho,Ndidi,Gray, Maguire, Chilwell, Lawrence all good and potentially great players being moulded into a new team starting from a much higher standard than the original EPL winning team. So if the club continues with this policy we are building a team that will only improve and will be in europe within the next three years and be capablele of winning the EPL again. the other great thing in our favour is that the club including commercial, coaching and management and some senior players now know exactly what it takes to win the EPL. Thats an advantage not many clubs have. As far as team spirit is concerned, this comes from Management, by buying players that fit into that ethos and the team spirit will grow with successes Really good post, and I very much agree. I hope we continue to find exciting young-ish players and help mould them. Of course I would love it if we won more silverware, but I would personally hate it if we turned into a money bags club like Chelsea, Man City or PSG. There is nothing classy about spending disgusting amounts of money and buying titles. Congratulations you outspent every other team in the league... no magic in that. Create a team with excellent team spirit and a real identity and take it from there. In Maguire, Ndidi and Ihenacho we have a spine that looks good now, and yet could improve to world class levels. I just hope we can keep them around for a bit :).
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 You are right, we do need to move on in style and personnel but its dangerous to do too much too soon. We are not so well established in the PL we can afford to throw away all of what has made us successful because transition weakens teams. Avoiding relegation is still our number one aim. Rather we should do it like Stoke did, cement a couple of mid table finishes and then start to develop once comfortable PL regulars. Bed in more ball playing types one by one and move on the old guard one by one rather than a mass exodus and move away from the over reliance on quick counters. That way I think we can change our style gradually whilst keeping the Leicester team spirit.
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2017 Author Posted 5 August 2017 1 minute ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: You are right, we do need to move on in style and personnel but its dangerous to do too much too soon. We are not so well established in the PL we can afford to throw away all of what has made us successful because transition weakens teams. Avoiding relegation is still our number one aim. Rather we should do it like Stoke did, cement a couple of mid table finishes and then start to develop once comfortable PL regulars. Bed in more ball playing types one by one and move on the old guard one by one rather than a mass exodus and move away from the over reliance on quick counters. That way I think we can change our style gradually whilst keeping the Leicester team spirit. Very much so.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 Great question, evolution is inevitable and part of the modern game and more difficult for teams like Leicester than the Premiership powerhouse clubs. However we are not cut adrift financially and imo we are within reach of being a top 6-8 club. Sadly too much evolution in the shape of key departures in one window and we could be looking at 12-15. This is why I feel the club are rightly playing complete hardball with Riyad.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 4 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: Yeah but they are not as good fun to have a good natured prod and poke at! Saw this and thought of you mi ol cocker...
steflcfc Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 Unfortunately, most players have a price that is too hard to turn down. Like most teams in this league, barring a couple, some players just move to "bigger teams" or for regular European competition. Its all about getting the recruitment right if we have to find a replacement. Or giving a player we already have, a first team oppertunity they have been waiting for. I don't like to compare clubs, or say that we should be like another club, but Southampton have lost numerous players to other Premiership teams and have always mostly found adequate replacements. Like someone said, we moved on after Izzet,Walsh etc, and we will do if/when we lose Mahrez or Drinky.
DatfoxesKid23 Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 8 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: I have been pondering, what with the (seemingly) inevitable sale of Mahrez, and rumours of Drinkwater going, that the key to our future may be in having to let SOME of our Champions go. I think that having too many of those heroes around for too long may end up being a false economy, and diluting those that remain (that I hope are still hungry) with fresher players may yet be necessary in order to progress. It's a difficult thing, letting these players go, and I don't expect people to either agree or necessarily understand what I'm meaning, but I think last season demonstrated a lot of psychological baggage - a new team is starting to emerge, and losing DD in particular might be a blessing in disguise, much as I like him. our whole defence is over 30 most of our strikers are too so I wouldn't worry about players sticking around
Blue ROI Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 29 minutes ago, steflcfc said: Like someone said, we moved on after Izzet,Walsh etc, and we will do if/when we lose Mahrez or Drinky. Very true. Now let us never speak of it again!
Nick Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Saw this and thought of you mi ol cocker...
StriderHiryu Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 2 hours ago, pmcla26 said: But would you really hate it though if we were winning the league or playing champions league football most seasons? Just curious why because I'd love it if we could get back into Europe after last season and wouldn't really care how haha Honestly yes, as crazy as that sounds. If it involves becoming a soulless club and a rich man's plaything then for me, though it's the club I support I would lose a lot of interest. I'd rather we try and emulate what Atletico, Dortmund or Monaco have achieved. We will always have to sign players, but there is a difference between going out and buying an entirely new team for a ton of cash and adding to what you already have with targetted improvements. The Man City of today wins way more trophies, has a world class manager and plays great attacking football. Sounds great doesn't it? But look behind the curtain and it's a series of mercenaries that don't really care for the shirt. Well maybe not Kompany, but even players that made me think of the real Man City like Joe Hart have been moved on. I can understand why plenty of people would want their club to be in that top bracket of the elite, but it's not for me. Or rather it is, but doing it in a more idealisitc way.
FoyleFox Posted 5 August 2017 Posted 5 August 2017 I'd rather not become a soulless club but would love to see us progress further. A lot of our team spirit came from those squad members who experienced the play off heartbreak, promotion, the great escape with NP creating a seige mentality . Introducing other players into that gradually, those with the right mind set, we can retain it. Ndidi and Maguire look as though they've embraced it. Iheanacho looks like someone who wants to be part of a team who appreciate him and could also do so.
Hack Posted 6 August 2017 Posted 6 August 2017 12 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: So when do you decide to let these players go? When they retire? Don't get me wrong, team spirit is crucial for a club like LCFC, but in order to progress, the team has to evolve. The John Terry situation is a good example of when a club deems you not good enough but the player wants to play on. He is 36 and no question a great of Chelsea but they made the hard decision to let him go rather than let him retire and be a one club man. The time maybe be sooner than either Wes or Huth think, but I do think they are worth having and being considered to play for at least this season.
Daggers Posted 6 August 2017 Posted 6 August 2017 18 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: I guess it was inevitable that people would extrapolate and be selective with what I said - I never said do it now, flog 'em all, or anything close. You want them publicly flogged now? What kind of monster are you?
rn9013 Posted 6 August 2017 Posted 6 August 2017 8 hours ago, StriderHiryu said: Honestly yes, as crazy as that sounds. If it involves becoming a soulless club and a rich man's plaything then for me, though it's the club I support I would lose a lot of interest. I'd rather we try and emulate what Atletico, Dortmund or Monaco have achieved. We will always have to sign players, but there is a difference between going out and buying an entirely new team for a ton of cash and adding to what you already have with targetted improvements. The Man City of today wins way more trophies, has a world class manager and plays great attacking football. Sounds great doesn't it? But look behind the curtain and it's a series of mercenaries that don't really care for the shirt. Well maybe not Kompany, but even players that made me think of the real Man City like Joe Hart have been moved on. I can understand why plenty of people would want their club to be in that top bracket of the elite, but it's not for me. Or rather it is, but doing it in a more idealisitc way. As crazy as it sounds, I agree with you. If winning trophies and playing in Europe meant losing the soul of the club, I'd rather not. I love our football club, and of course I want us to win trophies, but I want us to try and do it in a responsible way and with a long term plan. Perhaps the dark days of administration and third tier football are still relatively recent enough for me to be over cautious, but I find nothing attractive about our owners potentially throwing hundreds of millions at us to try and buy some trophies. Let's face it one of the reasons our premier league win was so special was the way we did it-on a shoe string budget, we achieved the impossible.
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