Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[adejo92]

6 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I'm all for helping people that need it, but they definitely don't need top of the range, brand new cars, when many people who work very hard are stretched to buy a decent used car.

The truth is, they don't need a lot of stuff.

 

If I knew I couldn't support a child, I wouldn't have one...but no, not these, they have multiple. 

 

Just programmed differently I guess & unfortunately the system supports the scrounge way of thinking.

[ajthefox]

20 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

These Jaecoo 4x4's are bit like new builds.

 

Some people pay good money for them, only to be near to someone who gets it given to them because they either can't be arsed to work or suffer from mild anxiety etc.

 

Look alright cars to be fair, but wouldn't touch one now.

Can you elaborate on this with specifics? 

 

I'm genuinely curious to understand who is being given a car and for what reason. Because frankly this sounds like some sort of daily m*il headline.

[Thefox81]

2 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Can you elaborate on this with specifics? 

 

I'm genuinely curious to understand who is being given a car and for what reason. Because frankly this sounds like some sort of daily m*il headline.

Glad its not just me 

[adejo92]

12 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Can you elaborate on this with specifics? 

 

I'm genuinely curious to understand who is being given a car and for what reason. Because frankly this sounds like some sort of daily m*il headline.

 

8 minutes ago, Thefox81 said:

Glad its not just me 

The Government have removed 'premium ' cars from disability entitlement so you can't really get the likes of Audi's etc anymore.

 

Jaecoo are the go to mobility vehicle now which is why you see a lot of them - driven by particular individuals...

 

I also have a friend who's partner has it via this route, with basically nothing wrong with her.

 

I also know of many other people.

 

Its no shocking news, probably just something you've never thought of before.

 

Wait until you see a Jaecoo now, you'll see what I mean.

 

It also comes down to the brand massively pushing themselves into the mobility sector and its a lot of car for the money now that people can't get their 'premium brands'.

 

Its an observation as much as anything but there is fact to back it up.

 

I did post this in an unpopular opinions thread for a reason, may I add.

Edited 22 hours ago by adejo92

[The Bear]

With Motability you don't get a car for free. They take away the mobility part of your PIP monthly payment which is around £300 p/m if you get the full amount. 

 

I know this because I've been looking at a motability car for my mum soon. Even with that £300 p/m you're only talking about a new Kia Picanto or medium hatchback. Any bigger or better cars and you have to pay an extra fee on top for the 3 year term. 

 

However you do also get all your tax, MOT, servicing and insurance sorted for you on top which makes it a good deal. 

Edited 21 hours ago by The Bear

[Trav Le Bleu]

32 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Can you elaborate on this with specifics? 

 

I'm genuinely curious to understand who is being given a car and for what reason. Because frankly this sounds like some sort of daily m*il headline.

Nah, my sis-in-law has an electric Skoda, similar in style. There's no physical disorders in the family and any reliable car would do.

[ajthefox]

47 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

 

The Government have removed 'premium ' cars from disability entitlement so you can't really get the likes of Audi's etc anymore.

 

Jaecoo are the go to mobility vehicle now which is why you see a lot of them - driven by particular individuals...

 

I also have a friend who's partner has it via this route, with basically nothing wrong with her.

 

I also know of many other people.

 

Its no shocking news, probably just something you've never thought of before.

 

Wait until you see a Jaecoo now, you'll see what I mean.

 

It also comes down to the brand massively pushing themselves into the mobility sector and its a lot of car for the money now that people can't get their 'premium brands'.

 

Its an observation as much as anything but there is fact to back it up.

 

I did post this in an unpopular opinions thread for a reason, may I add.

Fair enough.

 

I won't argue with your experience, it's not something I've encountered before as you allude to. I've seen plenty of Jaecoos but never noticed any sort of trend in terms of drivers.

 

I know someone who recently got a car from some sort of allowance but she has severe cerebral palsy, lives in a care home and it is genuinely very significant for her lifestyle and being able to see her family. I was a bit surprised honestly and I am amazed that there are people getting cars when there is nothing wrong with them, but I am inclined with these types of things to think that anecdotal experience whilst valid is not necessary reflecti e of society as a whole.

 

Maybe that's naivety/wishful thinking.

[Silebyfox_89]

Hidden profiles on Facebook. People use it as a way of stirring up hatred or horrible comments for attention.

[Free Falling Foxes]

1 hour ago, adejo92 said:

 

The Government have removed 'premium ' cars from disability entitlement so you can't really get the likes of Audi's etc anymore.

 

Jaecoo are the go to mobility vehicle now which is why you see a lot of them - driven by particular individuals...

 

I also have a friend who's partner has it via this route, with basically nothing wrong with her.

 

I also know of many other people.

 

Its no shocking news, probably just something you've never thought of before.

 

Wait until you see a Jaecoo now, you'll see what I mean.

 

It also comes down to the brand massively pushing themselves into the mobility sector and its a lot of car for the money now that people can't get their 'premium brands'.

 

Its an observation as much as anything but there is fact to back it up.

 

I did post this in an unpopular opinions thread for a reason, may I add.

I remember receiving a new referral once when I worked for ASC. During our initial meeting/assessment, she asked me if I could look into getting her a mobility scooter.

Looking into her needs, it certainly looked like she would qualify.

But then it came to my attention that she already had a mobility car. When I pointed this out she said, 'Oh my daughter uses that.'

Her daughter was fully ambulant.

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Hidden profiles on Facebook. People use it as a way of stirring up hatred or horrible comments for attention.

There's a lot of bot accounts on there these days that have their accounts locked too.

 

Meta doesn't care because engagement with the ones spewing bigoted bollocks gets clicks, which gets ad revenue, which gets profit. As far as I know, their entire moderation process is automated these days. 

[CornwallFox]

8 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I remember receiving a new referral once when I worked for ASC. During our initial meeting/assessment, she asked me if I could look into getting her a mobility scooter.

Looking into her needs, it certainly looked like she would qualify.

But then it came to my attention that she already had a mobility car. When I pointed this out she said, 'Oh my daughter uses that.'

Her daughter was fully ambulant.

I think people get riled up by what other people are getting (whether it be mobility cars, benefits, teacher's holidays, public sector pensions etc) because they're told that it comes out of their taxes, c which isn't exactly true or how taxation works.

All of the above things are good for the real economy and are beneficial to local businesses, employment etc.

[NorthWalesFox]

I don’t like how the official twitter feed refers to the players by their first names during games 

[Otis]

3 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I think people get riled up by what other people are getting (whether it be mobility cars, benefits, teacher's holidays, public sector pensions etc) because they're told that it comes out of their taxes, c which isn't exactly true or how taxation works.

All of the above things are good for the real economy and are beneficial to local businesses, employment etc.

I'm interested to learn where the money for mobility cars, etc comes from?

[CornwallFox]

5 minutes ago, Otis said:

I'm interested to learn where the money for mobility cars, etc comes from?

Taxation doesn't pay for government spending. It simply offsets it. A technical point maybe but one I think is important. 

Tbh I don't think I should get into this subject particularly as I can't post in the news thread and assume the mods don't really want me getting political here which is what would happen. 

Ignore the first part of what I wrote and just focus on the second. Benefits, pensions, public sector pay, all the things some complain about are all good for liquidity in the real economy, all good for local businesses, all good for ordinary people now widely than the initial recipients. My general point is that we are all joined in the economy no matter where we are below the ultra rich, by wanting to cut that sort of spending we're actually hurting ourselves. 

Edited 16 hours ago by CornwallFox

[Otis]

10 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Taxation doesn't pay for government spending. It simply offsets it. A technical point maybe but one I think is important. 

The government only has money it raises through taxation. This funds all welfare and the public sector.

12 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

I can't post in the news thread

Join the club.

[adejo92]

4 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I think people get riled up by what other people are getting (whether it be mobility cars, benefits, teacher's holidays, public sector pensions etc) because they're told that it comes out of their taxes, c which isn't exactly true or how taxation works.

All of the above things are good for the real economy and are beneficial to local businesses, employment etc.

I am led to believe it does, albeit indirectly, come from taxation?

 

Okay, its not like I am paying for Chantelles brand new car, I understand they do pay towards its, but the money they pay towards it is the money they get from benefits which come from the Government. Government money comes from a number of sources but one of those is tax / national insurance?

 

Happy to be educated if I am wrong though?

 

To be fair, my original point was never about frustration from where my taxes go, it was just aimed at the people who get everything on a plate because essentially they can't be arsed to go to work.

Edited 15 hours ago by adejo92

[Trav Le Bleu]

41 minutes ago, Otis said:

I'm interested to learn where the money for mobility cars, etc comes from?

Taxis

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, Otis said:

The government only has money it raises through taxation. This funds all welfare and the public sector.

Join the club.

This is simply not true. 

The government issues money as we have our own fiat currency, it doesn't need people to give it money. 

Your taxes don't go into a secret account which is used to spend. It simply vanishes from existence.

 

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/08/09/why-it-matters-that-government-spending-comes-before-tax/#gsc.tab=0

 

This also answers your question @adejo92

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by CornwallFox

[Voll Blau]

4 hours ago, NorthWalesFox said:

I don’t like how the official twitter feed refers to the players by their first names during games 

Wring thread. Everybody thinks that.

[MPH]

Tuchel is a good manager for England . As well as a huge mistake in the final in defending so soon after the first goal, he’s also having to undo 8 years of Southgateism

[Otis]

11 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

This is simply not true. 

The government issues money as we have our own fiat currency, it doesn't need people to give it money. 

Your taxes don't go into a secret account which is used to spend. It simply vanishes from existence.

 

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/08/09/why-it-matters-that-government-spending-comes-before-tax/#gsc.tab=0

 

This also answers your question @adejo92

 

 

So if this what true then why does the government need to raise any taxes?

 

The BOE can of course create money out of thin air (Quantitative easing) this then causes inflation and devalues our currency. 

[Zear0]

11 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

This is simply not true. 

The government issues money as we have our own fiat currency, it doesn't need people to give it money. 

Your taxes don't go into a secret account which is used to spend. It simply vanishes from existence.

 

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/08/09/why-it-matters-that-government-spending-comes-before-tax/#gsc.tab=0

 

This also answers your question @adejo92

 

 

I just read that blog and it's a very misleading representation of modern monetary theory that takes no recognition of inflation and reduces any demand on our currency.  Yes the government doesn't "need" people to give them money just like I don't need to earn a wage if I lived on a credit card. Doesn't need tax to spend, but it needs tax to re-distribute wealth and create demand for sterling.