Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Mild displays of public affection are hardly comparable to that... There's a big difference between sexual acts, or even French kissing, and two blokes holding hands or a light kiss. If you are genuinely uncomfortable at two men/women giving a PDA that you wouldn't be if it were a hetero couple, then you need to ask why (and not give the old rubbish of latent homosexual desires), and typically it's because you were implicitly told that it was wrong as a kid, not because it does nothing for you. 

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There needs to be a lot of that asked.

[Innovindil]

10 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Mild displays of public affection are hardly comparable to that... There's a big difference between sexual acts, or even French kissing, and two blokes holding hands or a light kiss. If you are genuinely uncomfortable at two men/women giving a PDA that you wouldn't be if it were a hetero couple, then you need to ask why (and not give the old rubbish of latent homosexual desires), and typically it's because you were implicitly told that it was wrong as a kid, not because it does nothing for you. 

I was never told 2 tubbos smooching was wrong, why do I find that uncomfortable? 

[The Doctor]

2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

I was never told 2 tubbos smooching was wrong, why do I find that uncomfortable? 

Because you've been taught that being fat is a failing as well (take note of your choice of words there - tubbos?)

[Innovindil]

17 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Because you've been taught that being fat is a failing as well (take note of your choice of words there - tubbos?)

I have never in my life, let alone as a kid, been implicitly told being a tubbo is wrong. 

 

Next theory please. 

[leicsmac]

Are we segueing into a nature vs nurture debate here?

 

Quite frankly, IMO if derisive views towards other demographics (or simply being "uncomfortable" towards them) are a genetically ingrained thing rather than learned behaviour, then we've got a whole lot of problems.

[Innovindil]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Are we segueing into a nature vs nurture debate here?

 

Quite frankly, IMO if derisive views towards other demographics (or simply being "uncomfortable" towards them) are a genetically ingrained thing rather than learned behaviour, then we've got a whole lot of problems.

We've always got a whole lot of problems. I am merely saying "it is taught" is a pathetically inept generalisation towards people's behaviour. Considering some scientists have found genetic markers that they believe (this is clearly, all theory) are linked to homosexuality, is it beyond the realm of possibility that a person's genetic make-up could lead to uncomfortableness around it? 

 

I don't know, but I wouldn't pigeon-hole around a theory that outright denies it as a possibility. 

 

I've been taught many thing throughout my life, smoking is bad, drinking is bad, computer games are a useless waste of time for someone of my abilities. All taught to me by people that genuinely matter to me, yet I do all those things. 

 

People are bigger than the sum of what they're taught. They have to be, or we'd all be mindless drones. 

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

We've always got a whole lot of problems. I am merely saying "it is taught" is a pathetically inept generalisation towards people's behaviour. Considering some scientists have found genetic markers that they believe (this is clearly, all theory) are linked to homosexuality, is it beyond the realm of possibility that a person's genetic make-up could lead to uncomfortableness around it? 

 

I don't know, but I wouldn't pigeon-hole around a theory that outright denies it as a possibility. 

 

I've been taught many thing throughout my life, smoking is bad, drinking is bad, computer games are a useless waste of time for someone of my abilities. All taught to me by people that genuinely matter to me, yet I do all those things. 

 

People are bigger than the sum of what they're taught. They have to be, or we'd all be mindless drones. 

Interesting. I think "it is inbuilt" or "it is natural/genetic" to be equally pathetically inept generalisations and copouts - ones that buy into the ludicrous ideas that we're somehow slaves to our biological imperative. IMO that doesn't matter nearly as much as what people choose for themselves, and what other people choose for them too.

 

I totally agree that people have the potential to be more than what other people dictate them to be, but not because of what genetic predestination has told them...because of the choices THEY make. By making the choice to be a decent human being, and overcoming that inherent BS.

[Innovindil]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Interesting. I think "it is inbuilt" or "it is natural/genetic" to be equally pathetically inept generalisations and copouts - ones that buy into the ludicrous ideas that we're somehow slaves to our biological imperative. IMO that doesn't matter nearly as much as what people choose for themselves, and what other people choose for them too.

 

I totally agree that people have the potential to be more than what other people dictate them to be, but not because of what genetic predestination has told them...because of the choices THEY make. By making the choice to be a decent human being, and overcoming that inherent BS.

Ah yes. What a world we could have if we could all rise above our pathetic limitations and rise to somebody else's ideal. Will that be a choice, or will you teach it. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

Ah yes. What a world we could have if we could all rise above our pathetic limitations and rise to somebody else's ideal. Will that be a choice, or will you teach it. 

Nope, it's down to choice. Of course what I'm quoting here is merely an opinion, and what people do is entirely up to them. They want to do what they feel they're predisposed to do, fair enough. Freedom to act, freedom to talk and challenge that act.

 

However, it's also my opinion that one day the choice to overcome that biological imperative will be crucial. I hope that I'm wrong on that one, though.

[Innovindil]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Nope, it's down to choice. Of course what I'm quoting here is merely an opinion, and what people do is entirely up to them. They want to do what they feel they're predisposed to do, fair enough. Freedom to act, freedom to talk and challenge that act.

 

However, it's also my opinion that one day the choice to overcome that biological imperative will be crucial. I hope that I'm wrong on that one, though.

And for the people that can't get beyond that biological imperative? The mentally unstable or just the generally damaged, where do they fit into your decent human being utopia? 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

And for the people that can't get beyond that biological imperative? The mentally unstable or just the generally damaged, where do they fit into your decent human being utopia? 

They do as they wish.

 

I thought I made that clear, and apologies if I didn't - I'm talking about the potential for something to happen given choice, not that it should be made to happen.

[Innovindil]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

They do as they wish.

 

I thought I made that clear, and apologies if I didn't - I'm talking about the potential for something to happen given choice, not that it should be made to happen.

That's great, if everyone had the choice to get beyond their genetic disposition. Unfortunately, it's just a pipe dream. 

[leicsmac]

Just now, Innovindil said:

That's great, if everyone had the choice to get beyond their genetic disposition. Unfortunately, it's just a pipe dream. 

You could well be right on that - in fact I'd probably offer better than even money that you are. I hope, in the long run, that it's not the case though.

 

Guess only time will tell.

[Carl the Llama]

3 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Mate, I get bullied to fvck all the time on the joke thread.

 

This forum is relentless, cruel and nasty sometimes (but I still love it)

 

The only way to deal with it is to stand your ground and give as good as you get I find...

Shut up Izzy.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Because you've been taught that being fat is a failing as well (take note of your choice of words there - tubbos?)

 

Isn't being fat a failing?

 

If not why do doctors, nutriotionists et al. claim it to be bad?

 

Unpopular opinion: Our society makes to many excuses for some people's failings and not enough for others.

[Izzy]

30 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Shut up Izzy.

Fvck off you big bully 

[lifted*fox]

4 hours ago, Captain... said:

However the fact you have to look away when you see a mans bottom on the TV is just a bit weird, how do you watch porn?

 

Haha, I nearly bought this up the other day.

 

How many people on here who can't bear to catch a brief glimpse of two men kissing / holding hands in the street have probably watched a million cocks going in/out + up/down in porn over the years.

 

And don't give me some bullshit about how you only watch lesbian porn or female masturbation - lies all day long.

 

Fair enough though, some people aren't comfortable enough with their sexuality. Probably the same guys who won't wear pink because it's a colour for girls. 

 

Probably got something to do with feeling like an 'alpha male' - "nah mate, I'd never look at a cock, EVER" but then has a secret folder hidden on their desktop with thousands of pictures of dicks in it.

[Captain...]

Being uncomfortable at  something is clearly not a genetic predisposition, or if it is it is one that we can easily break through exposure.

 

I don't have an issue with people feeling uncomfortable, but I do think that sometimes you need to think why you feel uncomfortable and what you can do about it. You can continue to feel uncomfortable or decide it is silly, like we do with many things, sometimes you need to man up and get over it and not be controlled by these irrational feelings whether they are a result of nature or nurture, doesn't really matter. We have all faced things in our life that maybe scared us, or repulsed us, or made us uncomfortable like going on a roller coaster or bungee jumping or eating oysters or taking the plunge on a new job or a new relationship.

 

It is not wrong to feel uncomfortable but it is also in your power to do something about it.

Edited 31 October 2017 by Captain...

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, lifted*fox said:

Probably got something to do with feeling like an 'alpha male' - "nah mate, I'd never look at a cock, EVER" but then has a secret folder hidden on their desktop with thousands of pictures of dicks in it.

Interestingly people with homophobic views might be more likely to be gay than those without: http://psycnet.apa.org/record/1996-00463-014; but can we not play the "every homophobe is actually really gay" game?

 

4 hours ago, Innovindil said:

I have never in my life, let alone as a kid, been implicitly told being a tubbo is wrong. 

 

Next theory please. 

Implicitly? You have (You wouldn't be using the phrase tubbo otherwise), behaviour is so much about nurture, not nature (the nature side is evopsych which is mostly bollocks). It comes to the same roots as the stereotypes discussion - no-one is saying to their kids: "can't trust the Welsh son, they shag sheep", but that's a view promoted by society and pop culture: same with fat people (how many obviously fat film characters can you think of that aren't just intended as comic relief - the pigeon hole Melissa McCarthy has herself in is a point to that)

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, lifted*fox said:

 

Probably got something to do with feeling like an 'alpha male' - "nah mate, I'd never look at a cock, EVER" but then has a secret folder hidden on their desktop with thousands of pictures of dicks in it.

Stop stalking me!

[ajthefox]

7 hours ago, Innovindil said:

I have never in my life, let alone as a kid, been implicitly told being a tubbo is wrong. 

 

Next theory please. 

Seriously? You don't think you've ever heard or seen a message conveying the notion that being "a tubbo" is wrong?

 

I don't know if I am being dense and confusing myself or if you've been living in a cave your whole life. 

Edited 31 October 2017 by ajthefox

[Innovindil]

22 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Seriously? You don't think you've ever heard or seen a message conveying the notion that being "a tubbo" is wrong?

 

I don't know if I am being dense and confusing myself or if you've been living in a cave your whole life. 

Unhealthy, for sure. Just like I've seen messages conveying many things in my life are unhealthy. Wrong? Absolutely not. 

[lifted*fox]

Google adverts at the bottom of this page is showing me an advert for gay cruises with an image of a man giving another man a piggy back. 

 

Absolutely ****ing nailed it Google. Bwahaha. 

[Carl the Llama]

12 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

Google adverts at the bottom of this page is showing me an advert for gay cruises with an image of a man giving another man a piggy back. 

 

Absolutely ****ing nailed it Google. Bwahaha. 

The ads are based on your public search history...

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

The ads are based on your public search history...

Only if you've opted into ad personalisation in your browser I think