Parsons Green Tube station - Terror threat level raised to 'critical'

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

I'm not saying 'panicking' is going to help. Of course it isn't.

But there almost seems an indifference to it.

And I do find that scary.

 

So what's your alternative to indifference and what would it achieve?

[FoxesDeb]

11 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

That's not the point. My point was, sweeping it under the carpet as though it's 'just another time'. 

Which appears to be happening.

Youve just shown it there. Using the terms 'whinge, moan and cry' belittles it like it was  schoolkid in a playground.

I'm sure you'd whinge, moan and cry if it was, heaven forbid, your wife who was getting ploughed down by a terrorist in a white van?

No?

Or are you saying you'd take it on the chin because 'we shouldn't give in to terrorists'?

Bull-shite.

It's hardly being swept under the carpet, it's all over the news. Many atrocities are happening like this every day around the world. In the grand scheme of things this was really no big deal. Yes a tragedy for those directly affected, but really we shouldn't be giving the perpetrators air time, this is exactly what they want to further their cause. Fvck em I say, keep calm and carry on and all that. 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

That's not the point. My point was, sweeping it under the carpet as though it's 'just another time'. 

Which appears to be happening.

Youve just shown it there. Using the terms 'whinge, moan and cry' belittles it like it was  schoolkid in a playground.

I'm sure you'd whinge, moan and cry if it was, heaven forbid, your wife who was getting ploughed down by a terrorist in a white van?

No?

 

It's not my wife so that's pretty pointless to say, but FYI I wouldn't whinge or moan, I may cry and then I'd seek vengeance but really that's not the point. It's the wives and families of very few people and they have the right to react however they wish. The rest of us will think it's abhorrent and then get on with our lives. There are a lot of abhorrent things in the world. Reacting as you are suggesting is counter productive and playing into the hands of the people doing these acts. Do you think they'd bother with them if they didn't get such great media coverage? I find the over-reaction of people rather egoist "look at me I think it's terrible" as if they want to be the centre of the "story". It's a modern day disease

[Merging Cultures]

Terror threat been increased to critical. Stay safe guys.

[Strokes]

2 hours ago, Buce said:

Do we know it's not?

Well I isil claimed responsibility but I guess it still could be.

[Guest Col city fan]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

So what's your alternative to indifference and what would it achieve?

Indifference breeds apathy in my opinion. It breeds disinterest. If terrorist acts like this become 'the norm' then people become less vigilant. I would always give incidents like these air time and make them big news. Not to give the perpetrators any media coverage..fook them. Instead to keep people on their toes. To remind them to remain vigilant. To say that this isn't acceptable. Hell! Just to continue to say we are bothered and that this mustn't happen,

I see this in completely the opposite way. If we ever reach a point whereby we start to say (or think) that this is 'just another terrorist act', then the terrorists ARE winning imo. Why, because what they are doing becomes almost acceptable. 

And it isn't. I always say to people who suggest that 'we just get on with our lives', that's ok until it happens to you or yours. I don't think you'd be so laissez faire then.

In fact, I'm sure you wouldn't. Let's hope it never does.

[Webbo]

Terrorists create terror. Not being terrified means they don't win.

[Strokes]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Indifference breeds apathy in my opinion. It breeds disinterest. If terrorist acts like this become 'the norm' then people become less vigilant. I would always give incidents like these air time and make them big news. Not to give the perpetrators any media coverage..fook them. Instead to keep people on their toes. To remind them to remain vigilant. To say that this isn't acceptable. Hell! Just to continue to say we are bothered and that this mustn't happen,

I see this in completely the opposite way. If we ever reach a point whereby we start to say (or think) that this is 'just another terrorist act', then the terrorists ARE winning imo. Why, because what they are doing becomes almost acceptable. 

And it isn't. I always say to people who suggest that 'we just get on with our lives', that's ok until it happens to you or yours. I don't think you'd be so laissez faire then.

In fact, I'm sure you wouldn't. Let's hope it never does.

What a bunch of meaningless shite, you can't tell people how to feel after things like this. Wind it in!

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Terrorists create terror. Not being terrified means they don't win.

Far too simple an argument Webbo. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Collymore]

You can argue points above until you're blue in the face but the stats don't lie. Ever stopped and thought just how more dangerous life is in general?

 

You're driving down a busy fast A road and one flick of the wrist from either driver is almost certain death or in the best case (or worst depending on your perspective), severe injury.

 

Ever walked down a road and thought that one slip or one driver not concentrating would be end of game?

 

The people I have known who have been killed in motorbike crashes is just staggering and don't get me started on the Big C.

 

The counter-argument is always "yeah, but these people are trying to kill people!!!" but I'd imagine for every person that goes through with an atrocity they'll be hundreds that don't have the balls or have a few brain cells to see the errors of their ways. 

 

If you fear being caught up in a terrorist attack, as in you literally change your habits and schedule because of it, do some research into statistics!

 

You'll probably never leave your house again though 

 

 

[Izzy]

10 minutes ago, Strokes said:

What a bunch of meaningless shite, you can't tell people how to feel after things like this. Wind it in!

Steady on mate. Col wasn't telling anyone how to feel, he was just giving his opinion like everyone else.

[Wymsey]

They deserve some credit for being just outside the train and videoing the device on fire, but at the same time thought it was a bit dangerous of these certain people to do so.

 

It could've exploded at that point and kill them

 

The device was inside a bucket..;had it been checked beforehand, though there's an element of dangerous risk of doing this too, a near-fatal incident wouldn't have occurred.

[Benguin]

2 hours ago, Collymore said:

You can argue points above until you're blue in the face but the stats don't lie. Ever stopped and thought just how more dangerous life is in general?

 

You're driving down a busy fast A road and one flick of the wrist from either driver is almost certain death or in the best case (or worst depending on your perspective), severe injury.

 

Ever walked down a road and thought that one slip or one driver not concentrating would be end of game?

 

The people I have known who have been killed in motorbike crashes is just staggering and don't get me started on the Big C.

 

The counter-argument is always "yeah, but these people are trying to kill people!!!" but I'd imagine for every person that goes through with an atrocity they'll be hundreds that don't have the balls or have a few brain cells to see the errors of their ways. 

 

If you fear being caught up in a terrorist attack, as in you literally change your habits and schedule because of it, do some research into statistics!

 

You'll probably never leave your house again though 

 

 

I understand the logic of this. Obviously being killed by terrorists is extremely unlikely. It doesn't work though. Dangerous things we do, like driving, are things we choose to do despite the risk and things we feel we are in control of. It's a very different thing to fearing terrorism.

[leicsmac]

48 minutes ago, Benguin said:

I understand the logic of this. Obviously being killed by terrorists is extremely unlikely. It doesn't work though. Dangerous things we do, like driving, are things we choose to do despite the risk and things we feel we are in control of. It's a very different thing to fearing terrorism.

There are a great many elements in our lives that are beyond our control that can kill us that are much more likely and that people don't fear nearly as much, even though they are likewise out of their hands and more likely.

[ozleicester]

more people die in car accidents and bathroom falls, than in terrorism... im gonna start a topic next time i slip in the shower AND IT BETTER MAKE 50 PAGES!

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Steady on mate. Col wasn't telling anyone how to feel, he was just giving his opinion like everyone else.

Don't worry mate, I literally get used to it. I've made the point before. Some of the more liberal posters can actually be some of the most aggressive when you don't agree with them.

Now, it seems, like terrorist acts are being likened to being hit by a bus? This is exactly the point I'm making. Are such acts becoming so commonplace now that the argument is 'well it's just something else dangerous that could happen to you'?

It would appear so.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

 im gonna start a topic next time i slip in the shower AND IT BETTER MAKE 50 PAGES!

You make it sound like that happens all the time.

[ozleicester]

22 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Don't worry mate, I literally get used to it. I've made the point before. Some of the more liberal posters can actually be some of the most aggressive when you don't agree with them.

Now, it seems, like terrorist acts are being likened to being hit by a bus? This is exactly the point I'm making. Are such acts becoming so commonplace now that the argument is 'well it's just something else dangerous that could happen to you'?

It would appear so.

imo.. yes, exactly

 

btw -

https://theconversation.com/rohingya-crisis-this-is-what-genocide-looks-like-83924

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Don't worry mate, I literally get used to it. I've made the point before. Some of the more liberal posters can actually be some of the most aggressive when you don't agree with them.

Now, it seems, like terrorist acts are being likened to being hit by a bus? This is exactly the point I'm making. Are such acts becoming so commonplace now that the argument is 'well it's just something else dangerous that could happen to you'?

It would appear so.

 

I understand and accept your opinion.

 

but death and murder are quite commonplace.

 

2 people die in the world every second.

 

The WHO reported that a person commits suicide every 40 seconds, a person is murdered every 60 seconds and in armed conflict every 100 seconds. 1.8 million people met premature and violent deaths in 2016. Many of these are abhorrent acts but to function we can't all stop the world and cry for these people every time it happens, just those close to them can. Of course there are other abhorrent acts that don't end in death. I read of 2 rapes in the region this weekend on top of a young student nurse being tied up in her house, abused and then murdered. 

[RODNEY FERNIO]

18 year old kid apparently arrested at Dover in connection with this.

ISIS are even worse than the Nazis in terms of brainwashing young minds.