More attractive proposition?

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1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

Both us and West Ham have been in the lower divisions, albeit with them there less often than us, but we have won a lot more than recently including appearing in Europe.  I'd say we just edge it.

Nah, the lure of their history, London & that stadium, they can give it the hard sell that "with you as manager, we'll be like Spurs"

 

We can't even sign a player we've been after for two years as a replacement for selling our (then) best midfielder for the 2nd successive season

 

We would rank above Burnley, Bournemouth etc... and with the right sell would be a better prospect than WBA & Stoke, but not at WHU, Southampton & Everton levels

[bald reynard]

US - see my post in the 'Appleton MotD Interview - staying a No 2' thread.  Dyche has always said he'd like to relocate back to the East Midlands - where he and his family live (near Kettering).  He travels up to the Northwest 3 days a week and he is quoted as saying that is not good for family life (and he is a big family man).  Everton would involve just as much travelling as Burnley.  His wife and kids obviously don't want to move from Northamptonshire (his wife is a Tennis Coach in Northampton and the kids are both at Junior School).  His Assistant Manager (Ian Woan) and First Team Coach (Tony Loughlan) could well also want to go back to the East Midlands (both are from the area).  All this, coupled with us probably (now) having as big a spending power as Everton - and a much better recent pedigree - could be decisive ?!

[Daggers]

Depends if the manager minds returning to his car to find it on bricks?

[Kitchandro]

Hate to break it to people but Everton are a bigger club. Their fanbase is a lot bigger than people think and their consistency is a match for anyone. They used to win trophies a lot more regularly but small clubs don't tend to stay in the top division for so long.

 

With their spending power now and some good players already they are a sleeping giant.

[Dan]

Everton. Has been the case all bar one summer in my opinion.

[Dan]

I'll say one thing that goes against Everton, and I'm saying this as a Leicester fan, is their home crowd. Now ours isn't great, but theirs is a disgrace. I've never known such an unsupportive set of fans.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Quite clearly Everton. You have to take into account league position, money to spend, 'size of clubs' = fanbase, history, and then of course practical things like owners.

 

Here's my opinion of 'league table' the current pull of clubs we compete with, so that people can ridicule and tear my opinion apart:

 

Liverpool

Newcastle

Everton

West Ham

Southampton

Stoke

Leicester

Swansea

West Brom

Villa (theres a reason why Terry went to the Championship)

Crystal Palace

Leeds

Burnley

Bournemouth

Brighton

Derby

Huddersfield

 

 

 

Forest

 

Not a chance are we below Stoke and I'd have Everton over Newcastle too.

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It's about direction of travel, Everton are a forward away from a cracking team... and while we know we've got a good squad, from the outside it looks like we're doing a  Blackburn

[Arriba Los Zorros]

4 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Not a chance are we below Stoke and I'd have Everton over Newcastle too.

See, I disagree on this. they've been in the PL for a long time now, and I think most people now see our win as a one-off sort of thing and that we're lower end fodder as per most of our history. If we'd have followed it up with a solid top 10 finish it would be a different matter.

 

Only reason I have us above Swansea and West Brom is because we're a bigger club in fanbase and potential, you could see either of those clubs going down with the wrong appointment. Although same could be said of us!

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

But but they have a massive shiny new stadium (that they didn't pay for) and they blow bubbles and they are owned by the dildo brothers and they won the world cup...

They’re in London. Don’t forget that manages have wives/partners 

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6 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

See, I disagree on this. they've been in the PL for a long time now, and I think most people now see our win as a one-off sort of thing and that we're lower end fodder as per most of our history. If we'd have followed it up with a solid top 10 finish it would be a different matter.

 

Only reason I have us above Swansea and West Brom is because we're a bigger club in fanbase and potential, you could see either of those clubs going down with the wrong appointment. Although same could be said of us!

My opinion too

 

With the right sell we could be a better proposition than them, but they & WBA are established in PL, we're not... We're as likely to finish 18th as we are 10th

 

WHU, Everton & Southampton are a way better proposition for a manager, especially one who wasn't all about the many pound notes in his wage-packet

[Samilktray]

The fact that Tuchel ruled himself straight out of our job but hasn't done the same for Everton answers this question I reckon 

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

See, I disagree on this. they've been in the PL for a long time now, and I think most people now see our win as a one-off sort of thing and that we're lower end fodder as per most of our history. If we'd have followed it up with a solid top 10 finish it would be a different matter.

 

Only reason I have us above Swansea and West Brom is because we're a bigger club in fanbase and potential, you could see either of those clubs going down with the wrong appointment. Although same could be said of us!

They have but they don't look particularly safe to me anymore, they're gradually getting worse under Hughes. Do take the point entirely about us being a bit of a bombscare though.

[Leamington Fox]

3 hours ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Quite clearly Everton. You have to take into account league position, money to spend, 'size of clubs' = fanbase, history, and then of course practical things like owners.

 

Here's my opinion of 'league table' the current pull of clubs we compete with, so that people can ridicule and tear my opinion apart:

 

Liverpool

Newcastle

Everton

West Ham

Southampton

Stoke

Leicester

Swansea

West Brom

Villa (theres a reason why Terry went to the Championship)

Crystal Palace

Leeds

Burnley

Bournemouth

Brighton

Derby

Huddersfield

 

 

 

Forest

 

Us below Stoke?!

[Max Wall]

Everton.

Before I get pilloried. My reasoning is because we recently won the league and they have done feck all for years and therefore similar performances by both teams (under the same manager) would see most neutrals consider him to have done better with Everton than us. I think that will be more appealing, which was the basis of the OP rather than who's bigger.

Having said that, it's also obvious that historically they are obviously a bigger club than us too.

I know some will argue regarding which is the more attractive proposition but that's the way I see it.

Managers ruling themselves out of our job but staying schtum with regards to the Everton position would suggest the same.

 

[Max Wall]

3 hours ago, bald reynard said:

US - see my post in the 'Appleton MotD Interview - staying a No 2' thread.  Dyche has always said he'd like to relocate back to the East Midlands - where he and his family live (near Kettering).  He travels up to the Northwest 3 days a week and he is quoted as saying that is not good for family life (and he is a big family man).  Everton would involve just as much travelling as Burnley.  His wife and kids obviously don't want to move from Northamptonshire (his wife is a Tennis Coach in Northampton and the kids are both at Junior School).  His Assistant Manager (Ian Woan) and First Team Coach (Tony Loughlan) could well also want to go back to the East Midlands (both are from the area).  All this, coupled with us probably (now) having as big a spending power as Everton - and a much better recent pedigree - could be decisive ?!

If the OP is stictly with regards to Dyche, then you make some good points. I assumed the poster meant in general.

[broughtonblue]

10 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

If the OP is stictly with regards to Dyche, then you make some good points. I assumed the poster meant in general.

Yup I never mentioned Dyche. Wondered why he had gone off on one!

[Arriba Los Zorros]

1 hour ago, Leamington Fox said:

Us below Stoke?!

Yeah, read exchanges with @Dan LCFC

 

Differences of opinion to be honest, there's not a whole deal in it anyway whereas we are definitely not as big as Everton.

[Wizerud]

I'd put us, Stoke, Southampton and WBA in the same general vicinity. At this point we are splitting hairs. We're in that 8-12 group behind West Ham and Everton.

[4everfox]

If you're a football manager who enjoys the prospect of managing a club that hasn't won a trophy in donkeys years, is vastly overrated, and play their home games in a cattle shed like structure, then Everton will be the choice. If you're a football manager who enjoys the prospect of managing a club that is the opposite to what is described above then Leicester will be the choice. 

[urban.spaceman]

Everton: 

Consistent top 10 side with Europa League every other year. 

Lopsided squad without a recognised striker 

Building a new stadium in a couple of years which will impact on transfer budget.

Last silverware: 22 years ago. 

 

Leicester City:

Strong squad with owners with deep pockets willing to use recent big prize money on transfers.

Taste of Champions League football that just won't go away. 

Last silverware: 2 years ago. 

Silverware since Everton's last trophy: 6. 

 

Got to be Leicester. 

[midland_red]

The old question - what makes a big club???

Winning the Prem in itself doesn’t do it even though its something achieved by only five other clubs. Most people would consider Newcastle  to be a bigger club than us even though they haven’t won anything important since, I think, 1955. Based on history and tradition most people would consider Everton to be the bigger - and theretofore more attractive - club by some distance. Sadly.