More attractive proposition?

[broughtonblue]

So with both us and Everton in the market for a new manager, and obviously the same names being linked to both clubs. Who is the most attractive proposition and Why?

[Ric Flair]

Given Everton were the more attractive club for Sigurdsson, I suspect that's the view a lot of players and managers have. They were a big club decades ago and we all know that's how you are defined as a club and it doesn't matter what you do in the modern era. 

[lgfualol]

Everton

[broughtonblue]

10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Given Everton were the more attractive club for Sigurdsson, I suspect that's the view a lot of players and managers have. They were a big club decades ago and we all know that's how you are defined as a club and it doesn't matter what you do in the modern era. 

Good point 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Clearly them. 

[Babylon]

Everton, not the only reason obviously but we're painted by the press as being run by  bunch of nutters who accept nothing but top 4.

[Jon the Hat]

Everton have been consistently in the top flight, and had that top 4 in the last decade, so clearly they are a more stable proposition.  

[FLAN]

Depends how much belief you have in your ability to shape and motivate a team. Can you push Everton into top 6 or make Leicester a comfortable mid table team. 

On paper that makes ours the most attractive given we will probably pay a decent wedge too. 

[ZeGuy]

Everton. I don't think that's even up to debate. Even if they won nothing since the nineties, they're pretty much an established PL club that can regularly aim for an european spot. No brainer.

[hackenbacker]

Who cares if they are more 'attractive' ... WE'VE WON THE PREMIER LEAGUE

Toffees SUCK!

 

 

[nnfox]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Everton, not the only reason obviously but we're painted by the press as being run by  bunch of nutters who accept nothing but top 4.

It's weird how Koeman clearly makes Everton the "best of the rest" last season after proving himself a good premier league manager at Southampton, yet the press say it was the correct decision to sack him 9 games after spending over 140m on players in the summer.  Yet we had an inexperienced manager, clearly out of his depth and have decided to make a change and we are the shambles of a club.

 

The press paint a pretty vivid picture of who the more attractive proposition is, but ultimately all these managers that would be interested in either job will have enough about them to see through the headlines.  They will know much more about the truth of the matter than what is seen in the press.

 

I can personally see why both clubs can be seen as an attractive proposition, there are positives and negatives to both.  I think the Everton job carries more short term stress but longer term they should be challenging top 4.  This season is lost for them now and they will have to pay over the odds for a striker in January.  Leicester on the other hand, largely have a decent squad, capable of pulling away from our current position, and a more patient approach to challenging the top 6.

[ZeGuy]

16 minutes ago, nnfox said:

It's weird how Koeman clearly makes Everton the "best of the rest" last season after proving himself a good premier league manager at Southampton, yet the press say it was the correct decision to sack him 9 games after spending over 140m on players in the summer.  Yet we had an inexperienced manager, clearly out of his depth and have decided to make a change and we are the shambles of a club.

 

The press paint a pretty vivid picture of who the more attractive proposition is, but ultimately all these managers that would be interested in either job will have enough about them to see through the headlines.  They will know much more about the truth of the matter than what is seen in the press.

 

I can personally see why both clubs can be seen as an attractive proposition, there are positives and negatives to both.  I think the Everton job carries more short term stress but longer term they should be challenging top 4.  This season is lost for them now and they will have to pay over the odds for a striker in January.  Leicester on the other hand, largely have a decent squad, capable of pulling away from our current position, and a more patient approach to challenging the top 6.

Agreed more or less until the last sentence. It's true that we should be higher on the table but challenging the top 6? No. Not this season, not the next one and not the one after. Not in the next 8-10 seasons actually unless it was what you meant. Whilst top 8th is realistic, anyone thinking about being in the big 6 has lost touch with reality.

 

Not until the club has a clear plan and direction, capable decision makers, appoint a manager accordingly and is ready to invest 80-100M the next 5 years.

 

Even with the Koeman disaster Everton are light years ahead of us in term of attractivity.

[Fox92]

I always think it comes down to how each owner and manager can sell the club to each player but being honest Everton are a bigger club than us and though they haven't really won much in recent years they haven't been relegated in about 60 years. I think all that adds up to forming an opinion of a club in the present.

[Matt]

If I was a manager looking at recent history Leicester have won the Premier League, scratch a bit deeper than that and you’ll see abit of a circus, scratch deeper than that see that the bloke responsible for the last 2 managers failures (or a big contributor to their failures) is still employed and I’d write Leicester off straight away.

 

Now I’m not going to claim Everton is a better proposition (They are but...) as I don’t know the ins and outs, I’m not sure what has/is going wrong there - if I were looking into applying or offered the job there you then look into that as I’ve explained our situation above.

 

I’d certainly see some positives but a lot of negatives to take the job here - unless of course you’re simply doing it to get a big pay off.

[gerrytaggart]

whoever has the bigger cheque book.

 

time will tell.

[surrifox]

People might complain about the senior management at City but Everton have Moshiri who seems to think he's an expert on football and crops up in the media all the time - he was rumoured to be on the point of firing Walsh for his disastrous first transfer window . Any prospective manager would have to deal with him 

[Tuna]

Everton, without a doubt.

[Ted Maul]

17 minutes ago, surrifox said:

People might complain about the senior management at City but Everton have Moshiri who seems to think he's an expert on football and crops up in the media all the time - he was rumoured to be on the point of firing Walsh for his disastrous first transfer window . Any prospective manager would have to deal with him 

The 'disastrous' transfer window which was being lauded by the media and Everton fans alike all summer?

 

It's incredible how the media have viewed Everton sacking Koeman compared to us and Shakespeare. We really did ruffle everyone's feathers by winning the league and sacking Ranieri  oh well, f**k them, let's find some form and rub it in their condescending faces.

[surrifox]

7 minutes ago, Ted Maul said:

The 'disastrous' transfer window which was being lauded by the media and Everton fans alike all summer?

 

It's incredible how the media have viewed Everton sacking Koeman compared to us and Shakespeare. We really did ruffle everyone's feathers by winning the league and sacking Ranieri  oh well, f**k them, let's find some form and rub it in their condescending faces.

no, as I said,  his first transfer window when he was unable to bring hardly any new players into the club (presumably he was following his instincts and trying to get value for money) . He learned from his mistake, buying a load of mediocre players for big money this time around which worked out much better.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Quite clearly Everton. You have to take into account league position, money to spend, 'size of clubs' = fanbase, history, and then of course practical things like owners.

 

Here's my opinion of 'league table' the current pull of clubs we compete with, so that people can ridicule and tear my opinion apart:

 

Liverpool

Newcastle

Everton

West Ham

Southampton

Stoke

Leicester

Swansea

West Brom

Villa (theres a reason why Terry went to the Championship)

Crystal Palace

Leeds

Burnley

Bournemouth

Brighton

Derby

Huddersfield

 

 

 

Forest

 

[FLAN]

Steve Walsh not being here is a reason we have failed. Steve Walsh being at Everton is a reason they have failed. Funny old game 

[brucey]

What about us vs West Ham?

[Foxxed]

55 minutes ago, brucey said:

What about us vs West Ham?

Both us and West Ham have been in the lower divisions, albeit with them there less often than us, but we have won a lot more than recently including appearing in Europe.  I'd say we just edge it.

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, nnfox said:

It's weird how Koeman clearly makes Everton the "best of the rest" last season after proving himself a good premier league manager at Southampton, yet the press say it was the correct decision to sack him 9 games after spending over 140m on players in the summer.

The best of the rest tag and every pundit putting Everton as 7th guaranteed was really a bit of a millstone round their necks. The pressure was on them from the start, throw in losing their main man, and a Europa League campaign and they were clearly not going to walk to 7th place again.

 

Overall you would have to say Everton are the bigger attraction, but we are not looking overall, we are looking right now and at the squads you will have to deal with and improve on in January. Everton are seriously lacking in goals and without goals you don't win games, their defence is shoddy, but that can be fixed, as a new manager you can organise them defensively, but you would have to sacrifice some of their expensive number 10s with big wages and even then you are still without a striker, Niasse is the best they have (and I wonder how much Koeman's treatment of him contributed to his decline). In January  you have to buy a striker, everyone knows that and they don't come cheap especially in January and will have players looking to leave.

 

Now Leicester has it's problems, mainly midfield, but Iborra's emergence will hopefully improve that area and in January you get Silva, instant signing, you have a player like Mahrez who still has magic in his boots and a bunch of talented forwards with something to prove as well as players like Albrighton and Shinji who will run through brick walls for you. Defence has been ok, Maguire has been superb, Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs solid, but we also have options with Huth, Chilly, Benny-loony and Dragovic. We looked good with 3 at the back against West Brom. Priority signing would be a right back/right wing back in Jan, a lot easier to pull off than a striker and manage the Mahrez/Gray and maybe Slimani/Ulloa/Nacho want aways.

 

I think we would be easier to turn around right now as we haven't been that bad this season, only Man United dominated us, Arsenal we should have won and it wasn't the players that cost us that one, Liverpool and Chelsea could easily have been draws. We don't need major rebuilding now or in January and we have a fall back formation that works more often than not. Everton need some serious reworking and some big players that might not take kindly to being on the bench.

[Captain...]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

Both us and West Ham have been in the lower divisions, albeit with them there less often than us, but we have won a lot more than recently including appearing in Europe.  I'd say we just edge it.

But but they have a massive shiny new stadium (that they didn't pay for) and they blow bubbles and they are owned by the dildo brothers and they won the world cup...