Puel - Not Shy!

[TAFKA Castroneves]

He's doing a good job of backing up what he put across in the interview(s) so far, been impressed overall and encouraged by what appears to be a potential evolution of our playing style. We're going to need to invest in the defence going forward if we want to be able to push up another gear - but our game is looking more exciting with seeing Mahrez and Gray beginning to find a bit more space.

 

Puel looks capable of getting the best out of some underperformers as well - i can see Chilwell/Ndidi/Iborra/Silva/Nacho/Slim all performing better as he seems very smart tactically and seems to focus on how to get the most potential out of an individual - also having already been seen having a close word with Mahrez after a game, in hindsight i think there was an underperformance for Shakey, i'd perhaps got used to seeing it and was slightly blinkered - i still think the sacking was a few games premature - but fair play to Puel for putting his money where his mouth is and getting us moving a bit more. Fancy us to perhaps surprise City now in the Cup and i'd take that over 3 points really, would be nice to potentially win a trophy and football is kinda funny and rhythmic sometimes - what with Puel being the runner up last year. Perhaps a Nacho hattrick in a massive return to form

 

Anyways well done so far, let's give Man City a game next and get everyone looking sharper, when we are on - we'll be capable of giving them a game at least!

[hejammy]

7 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Total nonsense.

 

I feel he is actually under rated in terms of his game aside from his pace.

 

You will also find over the last couple of seasons his goals per shots ratio is high and compares favourably with other top strikers in the division.

 

While we are at it, keeping possession is not high on the attributes we need from a striker. They literally have to take chances in terms of decision making and erring on the side of caution does not a good striker make.

Like I said, those blue tinted specs won't like it. First of all, you mentioned "last couple of seasons" I'm talking about the here and now. With regards to possession, clearly Puel likes that type of football, and if we are going to play 1 striker upfront we need someone who can "play" with the ball. Vardy does not have that in his locker, I'm knocking him for what he does best and he's being doing it for the last few seasons, my point was that in a system based on possession football, he would struggle to be as potent as he can be playing the style we have been accustomed to. 

[hejammy]

3 hours ago, Collymore said:

I can kind of see your point but still disagree but dropping Vardy is ridiculous. 

 

I think Albrighton is out of form, simple as that. We've seen it in the past where he can pivotal for the side but he tends to go through long spells of being out of form. I think it's the right choice to allow Gray to take his place at the moment but I certainly expect Marc to play an important role in the near future. 

 

Simpson is without doubt the best defender at the club. His positional sense is obscenely good. If he was better going forward I think he'd be an England regular. Dropping him is not an option as I think we'd leak a lot more goals without him in the side as he has got the central defenders out of trouble on so many occasions, especially with crosses and difficult balls to defend where quick thinking and natural positional sense is key. We'd need to spend £30m in January just to get someone as good as him defensively and then probably another £20m to get someone who can go forward too. Why waste £50m when that's not where we need to invest?

 

Fuchs is a more tricky one as we have Chilwell waiting in the wings. It was interesting seeing us incorporate both Fuchs and Chillwell the other day but I think Fuchs might become more of a squad player. I can see Chilwell starting more home games when the onus is on us to attack and perhaps see Fuchs starting more away games, especially against a top side. 

 

To drop Vardy is just a criminal statement.  

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about dropping Vardy now as we clearly have no-one to fill his place. I'm saying if we do carry on with Puel type of football then we need another striker as Vardy is not the type of player who would excel in possession football. Look at all the teams who play this way, they play with a lone striker who can actually play with the ball at his feet. 

[ZeGuy]

13 hours ago, Collymore said:

I can kind of see your point but still disagree but dropping Vardy is ridiculous. 

 

I think Albrighton is out of form, simple as that. We've seen it in the past where he can pivotal for the side but he tends to go through long spells of being out of form. I think it's the right choice to allow Gray to take his place at the moment but I certainly expect Marc to play an important role in the near future. 

 

Simpson is without doubt the best defender at the club. His positional sense is obscenely good. If he was better going forward I think he'd be an England regular. Dropping him is not an option as I think we'd leak a lot more goals without him in the side as he has got the central defenders out of trouble on so many occasions, especially with crosses and difficult balls to defend where quick thinking and natural positional sense is key. We'd need to spend £30m in January just to get someone as good as him defensively and then probably another £20m to get someone who can go forward too. Why waste £50m when that's not where we need to invest?

 

Fuchs is a more tricky one as we have Chilwell waiting in the wings. It was interesting seeing us incorporate both Fuchs and Chillwell the other day but I think Fuchs might become more of a squad player. I can see Chilwell starting more home games when the onus is on us to attack and perhaps see Fuchs starting more away games, especially against a top side. 

 

To drop Vardy is just a criminal statement.  

 

 

 

 

If you're expecting Albrighton to be a starter again then you're going to wait a very long time. Unless Gray or Mahrez are injured or screw up badly (like really, really bad) Albrighton will be on the bench. He doesn't have the quality on the ball Gray and Mahrez possess and Puel clearly favourizes that. One of the most important statements Puel actually made is to start Gray. He will build the team with him, not Albrighton, unless he plays in a a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 where you can have both of them, which I doubt since Puel is more fond of the 4-4-2 diamond.

 

Simpson is defensively consistent and really one of the most solid players we have. But he's likely to be the next one to be axed as soon as a RB will be bought. It is vital in Puel's system that the FB must also offer something forward. Simpson just can't. If he did he'd be called to the national team. January is a very probable deadline for him.

 

Fuchs is out, Puel wants to work with the youngs and Chillwell clearly has his preference. I'd say FBs will be the biggest priority in january and the next summer. It is criminal to let Simpson unchallenged.

 

Dropping Vardy isn't a criminal statement, but a very plausible scenario. This season will see him as starter, I have little doubt about that, but the next one is far less certain. You can't build a team around a striker who's 31 and slowly losing his first weapon namely his pace.

 

One thing is sure, the team we'll in january/february will be different than the actual one. That includes the style of play.

[TheLittleBigMan]

On 04/11/2017 at 20:05, Dr The Singh said:

I hear he walks around with his cock out in the dressing room

That's sexual harassment. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

9 hours ago, hejammy said:

Like I said, those blue tinted specs won't like it. First of all, you mentioned "last couple of seasons" I'm talking about the here and now. With regards to possession, clearly Puel likes that type of football, and if we are going to play 1 striker upfront we need someone who can "play" with the ball. Vardy does not have that in his locker, I'm knocking him for what he does best and he's being doing it for the last few seasons, my point was that in a system based on possession football, he would struggle to be as potent as he can be playing the style we have been accustomed to. 

Including THIS season. 

 

Nothing to do with ‘blue tinted specs’.

 

I am not sure you can back this view up with anything other than your own anecdotal evidence, can you?

 

[fuchsntf]

10 hours ago, hejammy said:

Like I said, those blue tinted specs won't like it. First of all, you mentioned "last couple of seasons" I'm talking about the here and now. With regards to possession, clearly Puel likes that type of football, and if we are going to play 1 striker upfront we need someone who can "play" with the ball. Vardy does not have that in his locker, I'm knocking him for what he does best and he's being doing it for the last few seasons, my point was that in a system based on possession football, he would struggle to be as potent as he can be playing the style we have been accustomed to. 

We have a strength that even the top clubs wouldnt mind.Vardy gives us that something, teams know him but cant stop,

what he creates.We should be using him and that pace with him never giving up on any channel.

oh!!  its obvious no doubt, but the oppo cant handle it..That "it"  gives us  an advantage in every game.

All strikers in all systems miss chances, but his allround play is more dangerous than many.

We should use that, until Vardy leaves or retires.

 

That said Puel will also need to build a solid plan B, without Vardy we need diversity, Spurs also struggle

When Kane/Ali are not in their team.

To compete for that 4-6th spot, regularly we will need that diversity, but lets first get to 1st base.

You use your strengths, you dont push them away...!!!  

Especially when it cant be cancelled out by the oppo, no matter what they know and try...!!!

Yes he should of scored, on more occasions recently, but so should of all the PL top club strikers.

 

Many expect too much too soon, step by step, we are still at " square one", We rebuild

[urban.spaceman]

21 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

You'd think this was the Spurs forum the way some people are going on about possession.  I guess we technically won yesterday, then.

That's what's so disheartening to see Spurs doing well at the minute. I miss their meltdowns.

[hejammy]

58 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Including THIS season. 

 

Nothing to do with ‘blue tinted specs’.

 

I am not sure you can back this view up with anything other than your own anecdotal evidence, can you?

 

Well no.... 

 

As you can see, stats (evidence) suggests offensively so far this season, Mahrez, Ndidi and... MAGUIRE! are ahead of Vardy (60th in the league). In terms of strikers, he's number 22! Doesn't that make him slightly out of form? Let's see a few more games in if he improves these stats (evidence) and perhaps I will change my tune... 

[hejammy]

35 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

We have a strength that even the top clubs wouldnt mind.Vardy gives us that something, teams know him but cant stop,

what he creates.We should be using him and that pace with him never giving up on any channel.

oh!!  its obvious no doubt, but the oppo cant handle it..That "it"  gives us  an advantage in every game.

All strikers in all systems miss chances, but his allround play is more dangerous than many.

We should use that, until Vardy leaves or retires.

 

That said Puel will also need to build a solid plan B, without Vardy we need diversity, Spurs also struggle

When Kane/Ali are not in their team.

To compete for that 4-6th spot, regularly we will need that diversity, but lets first get to 1st base.

You use your strengths, you dont push them away...!!!  

Especially when it cant be cancelled out by the oppo, no matter what they know and try...!!!

Yes he should of scored, on more occasions recently, but so should of all the PL top club strikers.

 

Many expect too much too soon, step by step, we are still at " square one", We rebuild

Don't get me wrong! I love the guy, I think when we play a certain system he is one of the best in the world at doing what he does. He's a pest and defenders hate that, plus he has pace in abundance. I was just saying that if we are going to play a system which doesn't rely heavily on that over the top long ball for him to chase, are we best using him? Are we using him to his potential and strength? 

[StriderHiryu]

I think labelling Vardy as only being able to fit into one system pays him a huge disservice. He’s a surprisingly intelligent football player (if not in real life!), and is so much more than just running in behind.There are plenty of occasions when he plays a great ball or links play with others. 

[CosbehFox]

52 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Well no.... 

 

As you can see, stats (evidence) suggests offensively so far this season, Mahrez, Ndidi and... MAGUIRE! are ahead of Vardy (60th in the league). In terms of strikers, he's number 22! Doesn't that make him slightly out of form? Let's see a few more games in if he improves these stats (evidence) and perhaps I will change my tune... 

Perfect example of how stats can be irrelevant and made to argue any argument. 

Six goals in twelve games is a good goalscoring rate for any striker playing for a team of our stature. He carries on that ratio and you are looking at 19/20 for the season. 

[Lovejoy]

I could see Albrighton coming in at fullback as that's where he's played for the last 18 months.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

7 hours ago, hejammy said:

Well no.... 

 

As you can see, stats (evidence) suggests offensively so far this season, Mahrez, Ndidi and... MAGUIRE! are ahead of Vardy (60th in the league). In terms of strikers, he's number 22! Doesn't that make him slightly out of form? Let's see a few more games in if he improves these stats (evidence) and perhaps I will change my tune... 

I rest my case based on Cardiff Fox’s testimony (see above)

 

6 goals 12 games is good enough so far.....

 

Ratings as evidence.....really

 

?

[jonny fox]

the one problem i have with claude puel at the moment is i cant understand what he says when he is interviewed on match of the day he just seems to mumble no wonder appleton looks confused with on the bench just agrees with him to keep his job cant they get a voice coach for him any comments

[jim5000]

On 11/4/2017 at 19:56, FoxesDeb said:

Nah, I think Appleton is just doing that thing all us Brits do when we can't understand a foreigner 

Talk louder?

[hejammy]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I rest my case based on Cardiff Fox’s testimony (see above)

 

6 goals 12 games is good enough so far.....

 

Ratings as evidence.....really

 

?

What you fail to understand again and again is that I'm talking about him playing in a new system. Ah well sometimes you just can't get through to a brick wall. You right, Vardy, greatest player ever in any situation or tactic. He's fast you know! 

[BenTheFox]

He's shown some real balls so far in my opinion. Especially coming into his first game and starting Gray and Chilwell over an in-form Okazaki and and a first team regular Albrighton. 

[fuchsntf]

17 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

If you're expecting Albrighton to be a starter again then you're going to wait a very long time. Unless Gray or Mahrez are injured or screw up badly (like really, really bad) Albrighton will be on the bench. He doesn't have the quality on the ball Gray and Mahrez possess and Puel clearly favourizes that. One of the most important statements Puel actually made is to start Gray. He will build the team with him, not Albrighton, unless he plays in a a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 where you can have both of them, which I doubt since Puel is more fond of the 4-4-2 diamond.

 

Simpson is defensively consistent and really one of the most solid players we have. But he's likely to be the next one to be axed as soon as a RB will be bought. It is vital in Puel's system that the FB must also offer something forward. Simpson just can't. If he did he'd be called to the national team. January is a very probable deadline for him.

 

Fuchs is out, Puel wants to work with the youngs and Chillwell clearly has his preference. I'd say FBs will be the biggest priority in january and the next summer. It is criminal to let Simpson unchallenged.

 

Dropping Vardy isn't a criminal statement, but a very plausible scenario. This season will see him as starter, I have little doubt about that, but the next one is far less certain. You can't build a team around a striker who's 31 and slowly losing his first weapon namely his pace.

 

One thing is sure, the team we'll in january/february will be different than the actual one. That includes the style of play.

2yrs makes him 33..Is that too old  ??..I mentioned it before, you dont waste that advantage, that gives you something different.

2-4yrs, gives you the world...why throw it away..!!!! There are cups, league postions to fight for..

Good coaches, good management, makes use of top rescources, and that old agage Plan for plan b and the future.

But you dont sacrifice or give up on the NOW. 

 

Another couple of points...why should Vardy, suddenly lose his pace??   

I bet  Manu, would love to have right now , and would use right now..That Swede that old man Zlatan..

Vardy though aint injured.

 

[fuchsntf]

11 minutes ago, hejammy said:

What you fail to understand again and again is that I'm talking about him playing in a new system. Ah well sometimes you just can't get through to a brick wall. You right, Vardy, greatest player ever in any situation or tactic. He's fast you know! 

But he has scored goals, where he hasnt depended on pace, hes scored for England without that need to be fast, only in thought.

Hes underrated, thankfully because people think wrongly he is a one trick pony.

If you believe I am wrong, go through his selection of goals, might suprise you..

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

9 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

That's what's so disheartening to see Spurs doing well at the minute. I miss their meltdowns.

Fear not, like Arsenal,  you may just get to see it again around April time.

[ZeGuy]

2 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

2yrs makes him 33..Is that too old  ??..I mentioned it before, you dont waste that advantage, that gives you something different.

2-4yrs, gives you the world...why throw it away..!!!! There are cups, league postions to fight for..

Good coaches, good management, makes use of top rescources, and that old agage Plan for plan b and the future.

But you dont sacrifice or give up on the NOW. 

 

Another couple of points...why should Vardy, suddenly lose his pace??   

I bet  Manu, would love to have right now , and would use right now..That Swede that old man Zlatan..

Vardy though aint injured.

 

Who're you talking about? If it's Fuchs then yes, he's downhill and it won't get better. Didn't say ditch him but he's won't be a starter very long. Puel is right to work with Chillwell. 

 

Zlatan never based his game on pace but on vision and technique. He could play as a 9 1/2 or a 10 (he did for Sweden) what Vardy can't, being a pure striker. He's past his prime anyway (for his standards) and not going to be a starter at ManU this season. Furthermore Zlatan takes great care of his body, no redbull, booze and all that crap. 

 

Another example is C.Ronaldo, who is what 32?, and despite his incredible fitness (can't stand guy but I don't think any footballer to date has taken care of his body like him, he's an absolute monster and a pioneer in that matter) and still lost his pace and is not as decisive on the wing as in his prime. That's why Zidane plays him more as a striker, nearer of the box, where his clinical finish can still be devastating. He's not even playing every game, who could have thought that for 2-3 years?

 

Vardy is losing his pace, there is nothing you can do against time. He still can hold the ball well and do nice link ups but I doubt that a slow paced game would suit him, that's not his style and while having a good first touch he lacks the technique to take on an opponent standing.

 

I swear people here would put players on the pitch out of loyalty and not based on performance but at the same time expect a competitive team. It doesn't work like that. It never did. At some point you have to evolve even if it implies to bench or ditch players you hold dear. Nothing personal. The actual system is dead and Puel is already working on the new one. New players will coming to light whilst other will join the bench or simply go.

[1972 Fox]

22 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Irony appears to be lost on you, oh mighty keyboard warrior. 

The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind! 

[ZeGuy]

35 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

He's shown some real balls so far in my opinion. Especially coming into his first game and starting Gray and Chilwell over an in-form Okazaki and and a first team regular Albrighton. 

Albrighton is out of form and should have been benched since for ever this season, but Shakey, like many here, thought it's better to play safe and let him start because he "puts a shift"  and is better defensively than Gray, not seeing that by sacrificing an attaking player good on the ball, you condemn your self to lose the initiative and reduce your attacking options to one player (Mahrez). 

[HighPeakFox]

41 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind! 

If you insist - If you can find me flinging insults instead of simply standing my ground, then fine. You'll be hard pressed though.