VAR Issues

[David Hankey]

7 hours ago, Ted Maul said:

I'm not sure I agree with that. On that basis, if you're driving at 31 MPH in a 30 area, you're speeding and should be penalised. In reality, that would be incredibly pedantic and the law gives motorists a little leeway- I think new offside rules should do similar for attackers. 

 

The rule has changed so much over the years anyway, I think they will tweak it in some ways when VAR is introduced properly. Your toe being beyond the last defender doesn't exactly give you a massive advantage, and goals being disallowed for that just seems silly to me.

Well on that basis there is no need to introduce VAR then.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Alan Shearer asked the question a lot of you guys are asking, what would happen if the same incident as last night happens close to the centre circle. Ie. Iheanacho beats the offside trap, but he's only just in the opposition half and the lino flags for offside.

 

Mike Riley the refs chief said the ref will blow his whistle and stop play as it's too far away from the goal.

 

 

Edited 17 January 2018 by TheUltimateWinner

[SCP4Ever]

8 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Alan Shearer asked the question a lot of you guys are asking, what would happen if the same incident as last night happens close to the centre circle. Ie. Iheanacho beats the offside trap, but he's only just in the opposition half and the lino flags for offside.

 

Mike Riley the refs chief said the ref will blow his whistle and stop play as it's too far away from the goal.

 

 

Correct. Which is why linesmen need to change that. They now have a new tool at their disposal that means that, when in doubt, they can let the play continue with the knowledge that, if a goal is scored after an offside, it will be overruled.

[gw_leics772]

1 hour ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Please elaborate why it would be 'middle aged men' randomly chanting VAR ? Ridiculous point but funny ?

 

Because that is what actually happened. Like in real life. Behind me. And middle age was generous. The faces said touching 60, the voices and chants said Justin bieber concert.

[Bluetintedspecs]

3 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

Because that is what actually happened. Like in real life. Behind me. And middle age was generous. The faces said touching 60, the voices and chants said Justin bieber concert.

Ha ha ha, I'll  take your word on that ? nice to hear the 'old timers' contributing to the atmosphere then, melodious too so I'm sure UFS will applaud their efforts  Are you suggesting that VAR is to blame , or are you ageist or anti Bieber? 

[orangecity23]

People complaining that VAR takes power away from referees - GOOD! Finally something that limits the disastrous effects that shitbadgers like Moss, Madley and Pawson can have on our games. You could see Moss was thinking about ****ing us over last night, especially when Fleetwood got their first corner and his little beady eyes lit up and he was straight over to "have a word" about shirt pulling, despite not having any interest at all on the previous 3 corners, which coincidentally had been at the other end of the pitch. Obviously trying to lay the groundwork for a dodgy pen, but gave up on it when he realised he wouldn't be able to get away with it under the new system.

 

I can't see any drawbacks to the new system. Lose 60 seconds reviewing a goal? Gain back countless minutes of time watching post games analysis and replays of crap decisions. Bad refs might actually realise how many mistakes they are making when another ref is sitting there watching over them, could force the deadwood to up their standards, because god knows they've been letting some absolute dross stink out the Premier League for years without any sign of improvements. I watch football to see good football, not to see a load of "drama" caused by some norris with a whistle ruining matches by making it all about them. If I wanted to watch situations spiral into a lot of shouty drama over nothing because they are being run by an incompetent, I'll watch the Apprentice, or check out what President Trump has been up to in the newspaper.

[gw_leics772]

1 hour ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Ha ha ha, I'll  take your word on that ? nice to hear the 'old timers' contributing to the atmosphere then, melodious too so I'm sure UFS will applaud their efforts  Are you suggesting that VAR is to blame , or are you ageist or anti Bieber? 

all of the above ;o)

 

[gw_leics772]

34 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

People complaining that VAR takes power away from referees - GOOD! Finally something that limits the disastrous effects that shitbadgers like Moss, Madley and Pawson can have on our games. You could see Moss was thinking about ****ing us over last night, especially when Fleetwood got their first corner and his little beady eyes lit up and he was straight over to "have a word" about shirt pulling, despite not having any interest at all on the previous 3 corners, which coincidentally had been at the other end of the pitch. Obviously trying to lay the groundwork for a dodgy pen, but gave up on it when he realised he wouldn't be able to get away with it under the new system.

 

I can't see any drawbacks to the new system. Lose 60 seconds reviewing a goal? Gain back countless minutes of time watching post games analysis and replays of crap decisions. Bad refs might actually realise how many mistakes they are making when another ref is sitting there watching over them, could force the deadwood to up their standards, because god knows they've been letting some absolute dross stink out the Premier League for years without any sign of improvements. I watch football to see good football, not to see a load of "drama" caused by some norris with a whistle ruining matches by making it all about them. If I wanted to watch situations spiral into a lot of shouty drama over nothing because they are being run by an incompetent, I'll watch the Apprentice, or check out what President Trump has been up to in the newspaper.

In all seriousness, that was probably one of the best refereeing performances I've seen, especially one of his best.

 

As long as they speed up the decisions, should be ok. Fact is, they are finally answerable to someone. But looks like not been used properly according to bbc live text. everyone says penalty, ref says no, doesn't even bother looking at it.

[orangecity23]

3 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

In all seriousness, that was probably one of the best refereeing performances I've seen, especially one of his best.

 

As long as they speed up the decisions, should be ok. Fact is, they are finally answerable to someone. But looks like not been used properly according to bbc live text. everyone says penalty, ref says no, doesn't even bother looking at it.

Yes, the VAR seems to be barely used in this Chelsea game, the Ref seems to be not interested in referring anything to the VAR guy.

[cropstonfox]

Just get some decent refs and let Fergie jnr shoot the rest!

[Mrfox452]

Ref and var have both had a shocker!

 

Willian one should have been a pen, but var disagreed?

 

Morata one ain't a dive imo but it weren't a pen.

 

Bit of a mess atm. If it is going to be introduced there's gotta be some serious refining.  

[Sol thewall Bamba]

So if the referee gives a decision but the VAR team are looking at it and can see it's a incorrect decision, they can't relay that to the ref unless the ref asks for assistance? 

[danhaw]

Think VAR should have been used in a different way tonight. Pedro's dive was terrible and I think the ref should have sent him off. Prove a point, show that there is no getting away with it now.

Edited 17 January 2018 by danhaw

[Donut]

36 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So if the referee gives a decision but the VAR team are looking at it and can see it's a incorrect decision, they can't relay that to the ref unless the ref asks for assistance? 

The on field referee is still the most important man and rightly.

 

Im sure he can disagree and keep his original decision.

[jammie82uk]

51 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So if the referee gives a decision but the VAR team are looking at it and can see it's a incorrect decision, they can't relay that to the ref unless the ref asks for assistance? 

They won’t say anything to the ref on opinion based stuff, they will only say something on a matter of fact things like the offside being overturned last night 

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

Question on last nights ‘offside’ decision... i felt from the assistant referees immediate movements that he had judged it to be onside (he initially ran with flag pointed down, which I’ve seen linesman do in tight decisions to indicate ‘onside’) and put his flag up as an after thought; possibly knowing VAR was in use? 

 

Anyone else care to back back up my thoughts on this?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

On and personally - I wouldn’t want to see any 3 of tonight’s incidents given as a penalty.

 

Willian’s is a close call, but if we consider whether the challenge impeded him playing the ball... it didn’t, Willian had hurdled it and was still had reasonable control of the ball, he had to ‘adjust’ himeself mid-air to be impeded - so i back the referee on this one. 

[yorkie1999]

The only real complaint I’ve heard in the media is about fans not knowing it’s going to var. why don’t they just flash up var on the screens.

Edited 18 January 2018 by yorkie1999

[yorkie1999]

7 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Question on last nights ‘offside’ decision... i felt from the assistant referees immediate movements that he had judged it to be onside (he initially ran with flag pointed down, which I’ve seen linesman do in tight decisions to indicate ‘onside’) and put his flag up as an after thought; possibly knowing VAR was in use? 

 

Anyone else care to back back up my thoughts on this?

Maybe it’s to stop the ref blowing the whistle

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

Maybe it’s to stop the ref blowing the whistle

 

Come again? 

 

He’s blowing that whistle in either situation?

[Donut]

The concept of help for referees is welcome and necessary but the system doesnt function all that well in my opinion.

 

Several reasons that would make for a very long post

[ozleicester]

Why is it  (VAR) restricted to only certain things, goals, penalties etc?

[SCP4Ever]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So if the referee gives a decision but the VAR team are looking at it and can see it's a incorrect decision, they can't relay that to the ref unless the ref asks for assistance? 

The referee doesn't ask for assistance. He continues to do his job as normal. 

However, if a bad or dubious decision in made in one of those 4 types of incidents (penalties, goals, red cards and mistaken identities) the VAR can inform the referee about that.

Usually, he asks the referee to delay restarting the game (VAR can only intervene when the game is stopped, once it resumes the decisions stand) so that he can properly review the situation.

Then, one of 3 things will happen, either the VAR thinks the call on the field was correct, and the game resumes; or the VAR determines that the call was wrong and the referee accepts it and whatever needs to happen happens (send off, penalty, goal validated or disallowed, etc.); or in extreme cases, the referee can check the images for himself in order to determine if he agrees with the VAR or lets the decision stand.

 

This is how things stand at the moment, so even if the referee wanted to check a situation that isn't covered in those 4 types of things, he cannot. Things like offsides. However, since VAR reviews ALL goals, if an offside wasn't called, the goal can be disallowed, which is why linesmen, when in doubt, are encouraged to let the play go on.

[SCP4Ever]

35 minutes ago, Donut said:

The on field referee is still the most important man and rightly.

 

Im sure he can disagree and keep his original decision.

It's always the principal referee's decision that stands. The VAR is an assistant to the referee, hence the VAR. Video Assistant Referee.

[yorkie1999]

13 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Come again? 

 

He’s blowing that whistle in either situation?

I thought if the ref blows when it’s a goal, it doesn’t go to var, therefore giving the ref the decision

Edited 18 January 2018 by yorkie1999