Changes needed from the top down

[fairbanksh]

This topic and most of the responses really get to the nub of the problem

Yes Puel has to go unfortunately 

I think we have great owners who are given consistently bad advice

 

Rudkin has a reputation as a poor inefficient negotiator

I think Wheelen does have a good reputation from a business angle

The Thias need better sounder advice and direction

Yes Puel out but Rudkin too

[Monsell1976]

54 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Puel will be sacked after that fiasco, but what I am convinced of is our problems as a football club run a lot deeper.

 

Look at our transfer business. I don't believe for a minute Craig Shakespeare asked us to sign Iborra, Silva, Iheanacho, Jakupovic etc.

 

It's perfectly obvious to me players are being recruited without any real plan in place for how and where they will actually fit in.

 

Iheanacho has been a disaster for the money spent. Silva - for 22 million - doesn't look worth the money spent.

 

Iborra has been in and out, Dragovic has been in and out, Jakupovic what a waste of money rarely makes the bench unless Kasper is injured!

 

Look at Sean Dyche at Burnley...shrewd signings like Cork, Wood and Aaron Lennon. I guarantee you he's asked his board/transfer team to pursue these specific players because he wants them there and guess what, they're in Europe and looking good.

 

We need to bring in a manager that we are going to back completely, to rebuild the football club and instill some discipline.

 

Until we review our structure, I cannot see this happening. We need a maverick manager, and I do stress, like Pearson who can sort this thing out, ship out the dross and rebuild.

 

Questions need to be asked by our owners of who actually wields power at this football club, and for the repeated, expensive transfer failures and the constant managerial sackings.

 

We're not in this situation down to Claude Puel alone. He was a terrible fit for us and a disastrous appointment long term, but should never have been appointed in the first place.

 

We simply must get the next appointment right.

 

 

 

Totally agree, having people around that cannot run a top club, wasted the best opportunity we ever had of competing for Europe every season.

 

 The owners are great, but have been poorly advised by non football people, and a dof, who is no better than a youth team coach in a suit, who has no idea in the big league.

 

 I have no doubt about the owners, with the right people running the behind the scenes, we could still achieve what top said many years ago, about being a top six club.

 

 To many amateurs, who aren’t football people, to many without the inside knowledge of the game, and to much player power, players going to the owners to moan about managers, shouldn’t happen, they deny it, but it happened I’m sure.

[Guest Col city fan]

This is all very well and clearly what the club needs. It needs an overhaul from top to bottom. A freshening up.

The problem is, the Thais have created this infrastructure haven’t they. I don’t mean the buildings, training facilities etc, I mean the staffing situation.

Is it really likely that they will offload Whelan, Rudkin and all those cronies? They’d have to start again?

[foxinsocks]

This is a big moment.

 

It is all about the owners sending a clear message about what is and is not acceptable.  The tactics and comments of pule of over the last 10 games are not acceptable ... ever.

[lgfualol]

Too many people still living off the title win. Need to start thinking forwards as a club. Rudkin would never have survived this long anywhere else.

[foxinsocks]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

This is all very well and clearly what the club needs. It needs an overhaul from top to bottom. A freshening up.

The problem is, the Thais have created this infrastructure haven’t they. I don’t mean the buildings, training facilities etc, I mean the staffing situation.

Is it really likely that they will offload Whelan, Rudkin and all those cronies? They’d have to start again?

Col - I have met both whelan and rudkin... she is an asset.  I don't know how he got his job.

[Bunyip]

40 minutes ago, maynefox said:

Rudkin needs to be held accountable for his disastrous role. Okay it looks good being a DoF in a title winning season with a lucky team.

 

Silva 14 seconds late. Get a grip that was a shambles. Potentially ruined his chance for WC spot because we wanted more money from Chelsea. If you want a player. Go and get him. Stop fannying around and blaming it on the Fax machine.

 

Two wasteful summer Windows. The worst being immediately after we won the league. That was terrible. I can't stress how much of a disgrace that was.

 

Hiring yes managers. We know there was friction between him.and Pearson. Pearson is a leader who takes no shit. Puel is a yes man. Shakespeare was a bad appointment. Similar repetitions how we ended last season to this season.

 

Rudkin OUT.

 

WELL AS FOR SILVA AND THE 14 SECONDS IT JUST MEANT WE HAD TO WAIT 6 MONTHS TO FIND OUT HOW CRAP HE IS .

Edited 28 April 2018 by Bunyip

[foxinsocks]

IN order for a club to have a direction it should be the Dof that ensuring that the right mode of play are development are being pursues in all our teams... that our recruitment supports this direction.  Manager will come and go.  It was ironic that puel started to spout this stuff recently.  IMO we need a clinical and driven DOF.

 

WE need manager recruitment that identified the right manager and pursue him,.  If we have to be patient then let appleton steady things... but we have to be focused on where we are going.

[steflcfc]

The club really is at a huge crossroads. And I for one don’t know what turn we will take wether that’s for the better or worse.

Throwing money at the situation isn’t always the answer.

 

We catapulted players to highs and an experience (that most of them) never though they would achieve in English football.

 

They played with a high press style that wasn’t really seen and others didn’t know how to tackle this.

Only Liverpool now implement this style now with relevant success.

 

With that title win the Thais rewarded this with big contracts to players that also cemented them to “untouchables”

 

On long contracts and wages they won’t get elsewhere, so when changes are being implemented we see this style of performance as they know their position is at stake.

This is why we are seeing a massive downing of effort over the last few weeks.

 

You only need 2-3 players not giving 110% and the whole team suffers at this level.

 

A change of style is needed at this club to move forward.

A manager who takes no shit is needed, and any lack of effort is rewarded with a seat in the dugout is needed.

 

There is no fear factor at the football club, some players and Rudkin have it too cushy.

 

A Pearson type Cull is needed to get this club back on the right track as at the moment we seem in free fall I fear for next season.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Today was the "proof of the pudding" with regard to Puel. Both he and Rudkin should be dismissed asap.

[reynard]

12 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

This is all very well and clearly what the club needs. It needs an overhaul from top to bottom. A freshening up.

The problem is, the Thais have created this infrastructure haven’t they. I don’t mean the buildings, training facilities etc, I mean the staffing situation.

Is it really likely that they will offload Whelan, Rudkin and all those cronies? They’d have to start again?

I think they could keep Whelan and off load Rudkin? he needs replacing the transfer record alone over the lst few years for which he has a role in overseeing has been enough of a shambles for him to be sacked. Surely there must be better alternatives out there.

[mozartfox]

Root and branch review desperately needed, this after the Texas Chain-Saw Crew have come in and done a number on the on the entire set up including the DOF,  coaching staff, scouting team, recruitment, and the Old Guard, (with a few exceptions).

 

Today was an embarrassment and humiliation.  Enough is enough. I was in the Puel Camp until I saw Morgan re-instated.  Time for massive change starting now.

[foxinsocks]

4 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Today was the "proof of the pudding" with regard to Puel. Both he and Rudkin should be dismissed asap.

I have been very outspoken against puel in the last two weeks - this is coz I believed he was not the right guy.  What amazed me was why some many of you guys (60% in the second poll) though he was worth supporting.  In fact this was only 2% worse than the first poll despite the Newcastle game.   

 

I blame FT for not being more decisive earlier  - ft needs reform from top to bottom.

Edited 28 April 2018 by foxinsocks

[drofmor55]

2 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Too many people still living off the title win. Need to start thinking forwards as a club. Rudkin would never have survived this long anywhere else.

When Bob Paisley was manager at Liverpool the first thing he said at the start of a new season was " anybody who is tired of winning trophies just let me know and i will go and find some  players who are'nt" ...we need a manager who is willing to make himself unpopular with some of the big egos in the dressing room and the owners willing to back him.

[mozartfox]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I have been very outspoken against puel int he lats two weeks - this is coz I believed he was not the right guy.  What amazed me was why some many of you guys (60% in the second pool) though he was worth supporting.  In fact this was only 2% worse than the first pool despite the Newcastle game.   

 

I blame FT for not being more decisive earlier  - ft needs reform from top to bottom.

I hold my hands up, I was wrong.   

[UPinCarolina]

32 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

This is a big moment.

 

It is all about the owners sending a clear message about what is and is not acceptable.  The tactics and comments of pule of over the last 10 games are not acceptable ... ever.

It cannot be, yet again, that the manager falls on their sword while the ineptitude from the DOF and the poor professionalism of some, not all, of the players goes unpunished.

Edited 28 April 2018 by UPinCarolina

[foxpleasure]

56 minutes ago, jumbo747 said:

Fair enough and you have a mostly reasonable argument - but one thing I can't agree with you about is what the owners have done for us. Everything they've done has been with more than one eye on their own business interests and their status in Thailand. As you can probably see, I have a bit of a thing about foreign owners - and it's not racism, it's simply that I'd really like to go back to owners/chairmen who were rooted in the community. It's not going to happen, but I can dream.

You mean like when we went into administration?

[maynefox]

21 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

WELL AS FOR SILVA AND THE 14 SECONDS IT JUST MEANT WE HAD TO WAIT 6 MONTHS TO FIND OUT HOW CRAP HE IS .

He has been underwhelming. Who knows he may have been better had we signed him in the summer? We will really see next season. Though nobody knows where in the midfield he is capable of playing!!??

[tomlcfc]

Been lurking here for ages but finally posting because I'm sick of reading and hearing this utter nonsense regarding Jon Rudkin.

 

Why do people think his role is to identify targets? The Head of Senior Player Recruitment is Eduardo Macia, and much like Walsh did in the exact same role, he leads a scouting department of technical scouts, classic scouts and performance analysts in target identification and scouting. That is no different to any other modern football club.

 

The director of football role exists in some capacity at every club. It may not be designated but there is always one man or a team of people who will perform the negotiation part of transfers. That happens once the manager, board and scouting department have decided on positional targets and then picked out players that they think fit the bill. 

 

I remember after the title win there were lots of names talked about with PL experience that we didn't get - Keane, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Deeney off the top of my head as examples. These were players we can be pretty confident we were tracking for a long time, and as a result were likely players suggested by Walsh and team as oppose to particular requests from Ranieri. We didn't get those and instead got Hernandez, Musa, Mendy, Slimani, Zieler and Kapustka. Now I am not ITK, but I do remember Walsh saying in May 2016 that Ranieri wanted Mendy when he came in the previous July but Walsh eventually convinced him that Kante was the better target. The fact we got Mendy the following summer seems a little fishy to me, and I have to wonder whether there was more to Walsh leaving and the eventual Ranieri sacking than meets the eye in that regard.

 

My main point is though that those four players I named have hardly been a success since. Maguire is miles better than Keane. Diabate cost 1/15 of Bolasie and looks a real snip. Slimani, when played to his strengths, still delivered a decent return of goals. And we've also brought in Wilf and Iborra who we've sorely missed while they've been out during that time. There will always be failures and successes in player recruitment.

 

Nobody gives Rudkin or the club any credit for persisting with trying to sign Kante when he favoured at first West Ham over us and then Marseille when they matched our bid. That was the reason why there was a release clause in the contract, because otherwise he would never have come here.

 

And on managers, I don't know why Rudkin takes the flak. Do you people really think that people worth £4bn are stupid enough to put faith in a single man to recruit the manager of a football club, when if it goes wrong they will lose at least £120m in revenue every year if we got relegated? Do people really think Vichai, Top and co are stupid enough to not have a coherent recruitment process in place?

 

They've got things wrong. Name a club that hasn't got lots of things wrong. 12 months ago there were a lot of Liverpool fans unhappy with Klopp about the results and their board for wasting money on poor investments. One summer with a couple of shrewd signings in Salah, Robertson and Oxlade-Chamberlain and they are 90 minutes from a Champions League final. 

 

But at the end of the day, I trust the owners. They made the right decision in re-appointing Pearson, and then sacking him after the events in Thailand. They made the right decision in appointing Ranieri, then sacking him when he lost the plot. They made the right decision in appointing Shakey in the short-term, and while the last two decisions have not worked out, we must be real about it - not appointing Shakey long-term would have made us look extremely unappealing to other managers due to our ruthlessness, and Puel did drag us out what could have been a very dangerous situation. Long-term, Puel is not the right man in my opinion, but that's no different to Allardyce at Everton, or Hughes at Southampton. 

 

I agree we need a manager that has the confidence to get rid of players that have been poor for far too long. We need a manager capable of spending what could be £100-150m come the summer. Do I trust the board to make the decision? Absolutely. 

 

I just do not understand where all of this unsubstantiated stuff about Rudkin comes from.

[Izzy]

2 hours ago, tomlcfc said:

Been lurking here for ages but finally posting because I'm sick of reading and hearing this utter nonsense regarding Jon Rudkin.

 

Why do people think his role is to identify targets? The Head of Senior Player Recruitment is Eduardo Macia, and much like Walsh did in the exact same role, he leads a scouting department of technical scouts, classic scouts and performance analysts in target identification and scouting. That is no different to any other modern football club.

 

The director of football role exists in some capacity at every club. It may not be designated but there is always one man or a team of people who will perform the negotiation part of transfers. That happens once the manager, board and scouting department have decided on positional targets and then picked out players that they think fit the bill. 

 

I remember after the title win there were lots of names talked about with PL experience that we didn't get - Keane, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Deeney off the top of my head as examples. These were players we can be pretty confident we were tracking for a long time, and as a result were likely players suggested by Walsh and team as oppose to particular requests from Ranieri. We didn't get those and instead got Hernandez, Musa, Mendy, Slimani, Zieler and Kapustka. Now I am not ITK, but I do remember Walsh saying in May 2016 that Ranieri wanted Mendy when he came in the previous July but Walsh eventually convinced him that Kante was the better target. The fact we got Mendy the following summer seems a little fishy to me, and I have to wonder whether there was more to Walsh leaving and the eventual Ranieri sacking than meets the eye in that regard.

 

My main point is though that those four players I named have hardly been a success since. Maguire is miles better than Keane. Diabate cost 1/15 of Bolasie and looks a real snip. Slimani, when played to his strengths, still delivered a decent return of goals. And we've also brought in Wilf and Iborra who we've sorely missed while they've been out during that time. There will always be failures and successes in player recruitment.

 

Nobody gives Rudkin or the club any credit for persisting with trying to sign Kante when he favoured at first West Ham over us and then Marseille when they matched our bid. That was the reason why there was a release clause in the contract, because otherwise he would never have come here.

 

And on managers, I don't know why Rudkin takes the flak. Do you people really think that people worth £4bn are stupid enough to put faith in a single man to recruit the manager of a football club, when if it goes wrong they will lose at least £120m in revenue every year if we got relegated? Do people really think Vichai, Top and co are stupid enough to not have a coherent recruitment process in place?

 

They've got things wrong. Name a club that hasn't got lots of things wrong. 12 months ago there were a lot of Liverpool fans unhappy with Klopp about the results and their board for wasting money on poor investments. One summer with a couple of shrewd signings in Salah, Robertson and Oxlade-Chamberlain and they are 90 minutes from a Champions League final. 

 

But at the end of the day, I trust the owners. They made the right decision in re-appointing Pearson, and then sacking him after the events in Thailand. They made the right decision in appointing Ranieri, then sacking him when he lost the plot. They made the right decision in appointing Shakey in the short-term, and while the last two decisions have not worked out, we must be real about it - not appointing Shakey long-term would have made us look extremely unappealing to other managers due to our ruthlessness, and Puel did drag us out what could have been a very dangerous situation. Long-term, Puel is not the right man in my opinion, but that's no different to Allardyce at Everton, or Hughes at Southampton. 

 

I agree we need a manager that has the confidence to get rid of players that have been poor for far too long. We need a manager capable of spending what could be £100-150m come the summer. Do I trust the board to make the decision? Absolutely. 

 

I just do not understand where all of this unsubstantiated stuff about Rudkin comes from.

I might not 100% agree with everything you've said, but as first posts go that's right up there with the best I've seen on here 

[Rogstanley]

4 hours ago, jumbo747 said:

This, but I'll go further - (it's not going to happen I know) but I wish we could swap the owners for someone who has a bit of feeling for English football and has at least a modicum of roots in the community. Ah well, dream on.

Wtf 

Weirdo alert

[Nigel Graham Pearson]

Time for the Thais to ask themselves if they really are serious about us becoming a team that can consistently fight for sixth or above. Put up or shut up. 

[Guest Col city fan]

2 hours ago, tomlcfc said:

Been lurking here for ages but finally posting because I'm sick of reading and hearing this utter nonsense regarding Jon Rudkin.

 

Why do people think his role is to identify targets? The Head of Senior Player Recruitment is Eduardo Macia, and much like Walsh did in the exact same role, he leads a scouting department of technical scouts, classic scouts and performance analysts in target identification and scouting. That is no different to any other modern football club.

 

The director of football role exists in some capacity at every club. It may not be designated but there is always one man or a team of people who will perform the negotiation part of transfers. That happens once the manager, board and scouting department have decided on positional targets and then picked out players that they think fit the bill. 

 

I remember after the title win there were lots of names talked about with PL experience that we didn't get - Keane, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Deeney off the top of my head as examples. These were players we can be pretty confident we were tracking for a long time, and as a result were likely players suggested by Walsh and team as oppose to particular requests from Ranieri. We didn't get those and instead got Hernandez, Musa, Mendy, Slimani, Zieler and Kapustka. Now I am not ITK, but I do remember Walsh saying in May 2016 that Ranieri wanted Mendy when he came in the previous July but Walsh eventually convinced him that Kante was the better target. The fact we got Mendy the following summer seems a little fishy to me, and I have to wonder whether there was more to Walsh leaving and the eventual Ranieri sacking than meets the eye in that regard.

 

My main point is though that those four players I named have hardly been a success since. Maguire is miles better than Keane. Diabate cost 1/15 of Bolasie and looks a real snip. Slimani, when played to his strengths, still delivered a decent return of goals. And we've also brought in Wilf and Iborra who we've sorely missed while they've been out during that time. There will always be failures and successes in player recruitment.

 

Nobody gives Rudkin or the club any credit for persisting with trying to sign Kante when he favoured at first West Ham over us and then Marseille when they matched our bid. That was the reason why there was a release clause in the contract, because otherwise he would never have come here.

 

And on managers, I don't know why Rudkin takes the flak. Do you people really think that people worth £4bn are stupid enough to put faith in a single man to recruit the manager of a football club, when if it goes wrong they will lose at least £120m in revenue every year if we got relegated? Do people really think Vichai, Top and co are stupid enough to not have a coherent recruitment process in place?

 

They've got things wrong. Name a club that hasn't got lots of things wrong. 12 months ago there were a lot of Liverpool fans unhappy with Klopp about the results and their board for wasting money on poor investments. One summer with a couple of shrewd signings in Salah, Robertson and Oxlade-Chamberlain and they are 90 minutes from a Champions League final. 

 

But at the end of the day, I trust the owners. They made the right decision in re-appointing Pearson, and then sacking him after the events in Thailand. They made the right decision in appointing Ranieri, then sacking him when he lost the plot. They made the right decision in appointing Shakey in the short-term, and while the last two decisions have not worked out, we must be real about it - not appointing Shakey long-term would have made us look extremely unappealing to other managers due to our ruthlessness, and Puel did drag us out what could have been a very dangerous situation. Long-term, Puel is not the right man in my opinion, but that's no different to Allardyce at Everton, or Hughes at Southampton. 

 

I agree we need a manager that has the confidence to get rid of players that have been poor for far too long. We need a manager capable of spending what could be £100-150m come the summer. Do I trust the board to make the decision? Absolutely. 

 

I just do not understand where all of this unsubstantiated stuff about Rudkin comes from.

Ok Jon, keep yer bib on son...!

 

[MC Prussian]

On the whole and trying to look a bit from the outside in, there are several questions the club need to answer in the coming months:

 

Predominantly, where do we want to be, where do we want to go as Leicester City FC? What are our goals for the near future? What is realistic? Where can we position ourselves in the Premier League? How do we go on about it?

How do we proceed from winning a fantastic Premier League title?

 

From my point of view, we've just not had the necessary expertise of what it takes to use the momentum following what we achieved in May 2015. But I can't blame them - who'd have thought?

In the past two years or so, we've struggled to put a cohesive club philosophy together and our transfer strategy looks rather questionable. We've gained fifteen times more fans on Facebook since the Championship days and maybe we've grown too big too fast in some ways.

The owners have squandered a lot of money on players that have failed to make an impact and we've yet to see a tangible change in the starting XI - because let's face it, this team needs a makeover badly. Some of the heroes under Ranieri don't cut it at this level anymore.

 

Everyone at the club should be asking himself/herself the question: What am I doing here?

As mentioned by somebody else before, it's time to look at the whole hierarchical structure and maybe shake it up a bit. There have been too many people sitting in their comfy chairs for too long, living off the success from two years ago. The hiring policy in terms of management needs to come under close inspection also. On what basis was Puel hired? Why did they go for a manager who - on a Premier League level - cannot connect with his own players, who fails to motivate them?

Why wasn't Mahrez punished more severely for almost walking out on the club that gave him his chance in English football, by threatening not to honor his contract?

How come we managed to fvck up the Silva deal last summer? What message does that send out to the players and other people at the club? What does it tell about our level of competence? Sure, we'll probably never be given the full details and some of it must've been depending on Drinkwater going to Chelsea, but still...

 

It makes us look so unprofessional on so many levels.

 

The upcoming few months could/should be very telling in what direction the club really want to go.

 

Please let's rediscover a healthy level of enthusiasm and positivity again. Because I'd personally want to wipe this season off my memory completely if I could.

[Rogstanley]

3 hours ago, Wookie said:

Under the Thais we’ve appointed 6 managers, Sousa, Sven, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel.

 

Sousa was a terrible fit, widely known for playing a short passing style. The squad we had was built by Pearson who had built a pragmatic squad full of grafters. Obviously didn’t work playing that style of football with Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs and Robbie Neilson. Terrible appointment. Especially after they essentially forced Pearson out.

 

Sven Goran-Eriksson, signed because he was another “big name”, let him spunk a load of money up the wall, sacked after some horrific performances and an imminent FFP failure, as well as being a QPR like circus.

 

Reappointed the bloke that was already very successful but they didn’t want because he’s not a big name. Unsurprisingly he does very well again, reinvigorates us and creates a fantastic set up behind the scenes in terms of sports science and recruitment. We had foresight and we were well run, sadly this was the last time we were.

 

Ranieri appointed after looking for a manger for a while, he applied for the job ffs. Worked out well with the league but it was luck rather than judgement.

 

Sacked another manager, searched far and wide to replace him with Pearson’s assistant, Shakespeare. Gave Shakey a summer, sacked him after 8 games.

 

Appointed Puel after he’d been sacked by Southampton, we’ll known for playing short passing football. We give him a job with a squad that used to be suited to playing on the counter but struggles now. Go on a terrible run and mostly likely sack him.

 

Whether it’s the Thais or Rudkin they basically know **** all about long term appointments. The only time we had any sort of strategic planning was under Pearson. Without Shakespeare and Walsh I can’t imagine he’d be any good here even if he would come back.

 

Our issues run much deeper than just the manager. If our owners weren’t so quiet they’d be seen as almost the same as Gold and Sullivan. 

Yeah done no good for us whatsoever have they. Oh except the most successful era in the entire history of the club. There is that.