Sweden v Korea Republic match thread

[StanSP]

Great use of VAR there. Best use of it so far this tournament maybe? 

[goose2010]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Great use of VAR there. Best use of it so far this tournament maybe? 

yeah definitely, from where the ref seen it from it did look like the defender took the ball.

[Brainy]

Comms acting as though that bloke will never have taken a penalty, as though Sweden were letting him take it for a laugh.

[Mrfox452]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

It’s a definite penalty but should the Korean attack have been stopped? What if the ref decided to stick with his original decision

I thought the rules were, the decision will be reviewed when the ball goes out of play? 

 

Wonder what will happen going forward. 

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Mrfox452 said:

I thought the rules were, the decision will be reviewed when the ball goes out of play? 

 

Wonder what will happen going forward. 

Yeah that’d be the logical approach imo

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Walkers said:

Comms acting as though that bloke will never have taken a penalty, as though Sweden were letting him take it for a laugh.

He's never taken a penalty before. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andreas-granqvist/elfmeterstatistik/spieler/29213

[Suzie the Fox]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

It’s a definite penalty but should the Korean attack have been stopped? What if the ref decided to stick with his original decision

I really am confused where VAR is concerned. If the ref decides to not go with the penalty call and the game carrys on (like it seemed to then.) Can VAR then step in and say to the ref thru his headset to stop the game so they can have a look at it? 

 

 

[Brainy]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

He's never taken a penalty before. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andreas-granqvist/elfmeterstatistik/spieler/29213

if it says so but Sweden clearly know something we don't.

[Jaspa]

9 minutes ago, SpazticChicken said:

Korea should be nicking this one

 

If you ever see me chirping with bits like this, it's probably wise to put money against exactly what I said. Happened three times in the last week, only real one I got right on the day was Iran v Morocco

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Suzie the Fox said:

I really am confused where VAR is concerned. If the ref decides to not go with the penalty call and the game carrys on (like it seemed to then.) Can VAR then step in and say to the ref thru his headset to stop the game so they can have a look at it? 

 

 

Well that’s what seemed to happen but why let them play on at all? Looked a threatening attack by SK but it was halted fo the ref to check the monitor. If the ref sticks to his original decision SK have lost all of the momentum from the counter attack. Needs to be more clarity

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

Well that’s what seemed to happen but why let them play on at all? Looked a threatening attack by SK but it was halted fo the ref to check the monitor. If the ref sticks to his original decision SK have lost all of the momentum from the counter attack. Needs to be more clarity

Indeed. Its confusing. 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Walkers said:

if it says so but Sweden clearly know something we don't.

To be honest I had the same reaction like the commentators did too. Expected Larsson to take it. 

[TheMightySystem]

Just now, Suzie the Fox said:

I really am confused where VAR is concerned. If the ref decides to not go with the penalty call and the game carrys on (like it seemed to then.) Can VAR then step in and say to the ref thru his headset to stop the game so they can have a look at it? 

 

 

VAR are always looking at the incident and will only talk to the ref if they are 99% sure an error has been made. I think it was explained in the Denmark game that the game will be stopped when the ball is in the central area of the pitch, it does need to be a bit better explained though.

 

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Well that’s what seemed to happen but why let them play on at all? Looked a threatening attack by SK but it was halted fo the ref to check the monitor. If the ref sticks to his original decision SK have lost all of the momentum from the counter attack. Needs to be more clarity

Because most peoples complaints where that VAR takes up too much time, allowing play to carry on means the VAR officials can check in the background and if the decision was wrong they pull it back, if not then play continues and there is no wasted time. Not too sure how they could make it better, doing either option has positives and negatives.

[KingsX]

The standard is clear and obvious error.  Which means the VAR feels the call should be overturned.  However the process leaves the decision with the referee so we get a possibly game-changing interruption of play. 

 

Given the multiple angles and repeated viewings available to the VAR, and the fact that Sweden deserved the pen, I'd say it was the best outcome in this case.  But wonder if the process will eventually change to move the decision to the VAR.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, TheMightySystem said:

VAR are always looking at the incident and will only talk to the ref if they are 99% sure an error has been made. I think it was explained in the Denmark game that the game will be stopped when the ball is in the central area of the pitch, it does need to be a bit better explained though.

 

Because most peoples complaints where that VAR takes up too much time, allowing play to carry on means the VAR officials can check in the background and if the decision was wrong they pull it back, if not then play continues and there is no wasted time. Not too sure how they could make it better, doing either option has positives and negatives.

Ah ok, just seems a bit harsh on the attacking team if the decision isn’t then reversed. As you though there’s probably no ideal way although I think the next break of play would be best option for now

[davieG]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Ah ok, just seems a bit harsh on the attacking team if the decision isn’t then reversed. As you though there’s probably no ideal way although I think the next break of play would be best option for now

...and if SK had scored it would be even harsher.

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

...and if SK had scored it would be even harsher.

Hmmmm I dunno. If it’s a penalty then they can’t have any complaints really but if it’s not they’ve stopped their opportunity to score

[davieG]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Hmmmm I dunno. If it’s a penalty then they can’t have any complaints really but if it’s not they’ve stopped their opportunity to score

But as the review was instigated by the VAR reviewers and not the ref the chances of it being a penalty would be very  high.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

But as the review was instigated by the VAR reviewers and not the ref the chances of it being a penalty would be very  high.

Yeah I guess so. Unless you get a stubborn ref

[Finnaldo]

9 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Ah ok, just seems a bit harsh on the attacking team if the decision isn’t then reversed. As you though there’s probably no ideal way although I think the next break of play would be best option for now

 

The threshold is so high currently that if the VAR staff are pleading the ref to check the footage, it's 99% likely stonewall and the ref's decision will be reversed. I bet the staff were practically begging him to check it so that's why he stopped it mid-flow, if it was a difficult choice he probably would've checked when the ball went out of play.

[KingsX]

Y'all better hope your Spurs contingent show up a lot more strongly than Son (the only Spurs player I do really like) has in this early match.

[davieG]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Yeah I guess so. Unless you get a stubborn ref

Yeah well it's  all a bit hit and miss.

The danger for me is refs will stop making decisions knowing VAR is there as it seems like that in the rugby. I think it should only be reversed if it is undeniably wrong a bit like the cricket.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Deserved Win for Sweden

[urban.spaceman]

I'd forgotten about Son's predicament . Absolutely hilarious and very Spursy.

[MC Prussian]

South Korea were abysmal today, could hardly cope with Swedens physical style and were overcomplicating things in the final third.

Very poor. Sweden with a deserved victory.

 

Germany now under pressure, need a win against Sweden.

Edited 18 June 2018 by MC Prussian