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Thailand Cave Rescue

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Jattdogg

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6 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

not relevant really but imagine getting stuck in a cave with 13 Thai ladyboys. 

 

eating good job GIF

What happens in a thai cave  stays in a thai cave.

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stripeyfox

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According to Ben Reymenants, of Blue Label Diving of Thailand, and part of the international rescue effort: "[There are three rescue options] One is to teach them to scuba dive. It is [at] least a 2.5km swim through narrow restrictions of a complex cave system. This is not the easiest solution. They are also trying to pump the cave empty with giant pumps which was working to some extent. But they are expecting heavy rains in the next two days. The last option is sitting it out and waiting. Two medical officers in the Thai Navy have volunteered to have themselves locked in with enough food and supplies to sit there for three or four months until the water drops again." Further, Reymenant stated: "This is one of the more extreme cave dives that I have done. It is very far, and very complex. There is current. The visibility can be zero at times. So getting boys through there one by one, and the risk that they will panic is there. They can’t even swim. This has been done before with pulling people out of wrecks alive. So it is not impossible, but the issue is the restrictions – just one person can fit through. So guiding a boy through in front of you could be quite challenging, especially if the rain picks up and there’s a strong flow and the visibility reduces to zero. When it starts raining the flow is so hard you can barely swim against it. It took us four hours just to swim to the point where we had to tie off the lines. It is [a] really long swim. So it is really hard to give an opinion on what is the best solution. I think the weather is going to be the deciding factor."[20]

 

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davieG

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I'm feeling panicky and claustrophobic just reading about this. 

 

I did some potholing in Derbyshire some years back as part of business training where we went down 400/500 metres crawling on our stomachs a fair bit and your rucksack kept catching in the top of the tunnel I was shaking most of the way and was so relieved to get out, still often think about it so feel so much for these lads.

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On 03/07/2018 at 16:22, MrSpaM said:

Surely it'd be quicker to just pump the water out rather than having to make them wait for months and months?

I read in a paper today that they need to pump something like 10,000 litres out just to lower the water level by 10mm, not including the rainy season that’s coming up. 

 

If that stats true it shows just how hard it is to get to them and get them out, also you can hardly walk through the caves, just hope they get out safely.

stripeyfox

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43 minutes ago, simFox said:

Anyone else feel massively proud that these kids were found by British cave divers.

 

I think it is amazing that these people come together to help try to rescue the kids. I think it will be a major international effort, like it was in Chile. Experts in the field from all over the world will come together because we have to. We can't just leave them to die down there, can we? And it's great that it's British divers that found them who no doubt put themselves at considerable risk to do so. 

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jonthefox

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Like everyone else I’m praying this has a happy ending. I was thinking earlier that ( given our Thai connections) maybe a few of us could chip in and buy them some new kit / footballs etc?. Just a thought. 

VLC86

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31 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

Like everyone else I’m praying this has a happy ending. I was thinking earlier that ( given our Thai connections) maybe a few of us could chip in and buy them some new kit / footballs etc?. Just a thought. 

Postage down there would be astronomical pal.

stripeyfox

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1 hour ago, Webbo said:

A Thai navy diver has died in the tunnels.

A former Thai navy diver has died while taking part in efforts to rescue 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a flooded cave in Thailand.

Petty Officer Saman Gunan lost consciousness on his way out of the Tham Luang cave complex, where had been delivering air tanks.

"His job was to deliver oxygen. He did not have enough on his way back," the Chiang Rai deputy governor said.

PO Saman was brought out by his dive partner but could not be revived.

The oxygen level in the chamber where the boys have taken refuge has fallen to 15%, officials said at a news conference. The usual level is about 21%.

The boys and their coach ventured into the cave while it was dry, but were trapped by a sudden deluge of rainfall. Ten days later British rescue divers found them perched on a rock shelf about 4km (2.5 miles) from the cave mouth.

A death in the cave

PO Saman, who was reportedly 38, had left the navy but returned to aid in the rescue operation. Officials said his funeral would be sponsored by the Thai king.

Said to be an avid runner and cyclist, he was part of the massive rescue operation launched after the group became stranded in the Tham Luang cave.

Thai military carrying equipment into the caveImage copyrightEPA Image captionEven for experienced divers, the cave is dangerous

"Inside the cave is tough," said Thai Seal commander Rear Adm Arpakorn Yookongkaew.

"On the way back from setting up oxygen bottles, Petty Officer First Class Saman Gunan passed out. His buddy tried to give him first aid, but he did not respond. We brought him to chamber three and gave him another round of first aid, but he remained unconscious."

The search operation would go on, he said. "I can guarantee that we will not panic, we will not stop our mission, we will not let the sacrifice of our friend go to waste."

Around 1,000 people are involved in the rescue operation, including navy divers, military personnel and civilian volunteers.

A relative of one of the 12 boys listens to a news conference announcing the diver's deathImage copyrightREUTERS Image captionA relative of one of the 12 boys listens to a news conference announcing the diver's death

PO Gunan's death underscored the dangers involved in the search efforts.

When asked how the group could make it out safely if an experienced diver could not, Rear Adm Arpakorn said they would take more precautions with the children, who are aged between 11 and 16, and their 25-year-old coach.

Do the boys have enough oxygen?

Authorities say there are concerns about falling oxygen levels in the chamber where the boys and their coach are trapped.

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Media captionBill Whitehouse from the British Cave Rescue Council explains how the boys and their coach might be rescued

Oxygen levels were being depleted by the large number of people working inside the cave network, said Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osotthanakorn.

Authorities are now working to get a 5km (3 mile) cable into the cave to supply the group with air.

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A blow to morale

Sophie Long in Chiang Rai

Rescue operation leaders here say most of those involved have been trained to work in high risk environments, and to deal with eventualities like this.

They say the death of PO Saman won't impact on their mission. But there is a different atmosphere today in the makeshift village that's evolved at the cave's entrance, and the death of a former navy Seal highlights just how dangerous the route out of the cave remains.

It is unlikely the boys will be told about the death. One of the prime concerns here is to keep them not just physically but mentally strong.

Today, the priority is to connect a fibre optic cable that will allow the boys to speak to their families for the first time in nearly two weeks.

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What are the rescue options now?

The boys are being regularly supplied with food and medical care, but there are grave concerns over heavy rainfall forecast for Sunday.

Authorities are trying to work out how best to bring the group to safety, with officials stressing they do not intend to take any risks with the boys' safety.

The military has been pumping water out of the cave but if they cannot hold the water level down, they will be left with two stark options - teaching the boys to use diving equipment, or waiting months until the rainy season ends.

Leaving the boys to wait brings with it another danger: that the sinkholes and streams in the hills could flood the chamber completely.

"At first, we thought the children could stay for a long time... but now things have changed, we have a limited time," Rear Adm Arpakorn warned.

Cave complex from above and cross-section
Jon the Hat

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RIP, that guy is a hero.  If an experienced Navy Seal can die just preparing the route, there is no way these kids are coming out by diving unless the alternative is certain drowning.  I can only think they expect where they are to be fully submerged.

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Bellend Sebastian

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1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

RIP, that guy is a hero.  If an experienced Navy Seal can die just preparing the route, there is no way these kids are coming out by diving unless the alternative is certain drowning.  I can only think they expect where they are to be fully submerged.

He had a level of bravery I know I'll never have.

 

This made me feel sorry for the football coach. How's he not going to feel responsible for this? Just when everyone was starting to think there was a chance of getting through the whole thing without anyone actually dying

stripeyfox

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Just now, Bellend Sebastian said:

He had a level of bravery I know I'll never have.

 

This made me feel sorry for the football coach. How's he not going to feel responsible for this? Just when everyone was starting to think there was a chance of getting through the whole thing without anyone actually dying

Yes, thoughts with the family of the diver. What a sacrifice to make and a stark reminder of the danger they are all facing and that we are far from out of the woods yet.

 

As for the coach, he must be feeling the strain. 

VLC86

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2 hours ago, jonthefox said:

Shame we don’t know anyone with a helicopter :rolleyes:

Yep, it’s well known that they operate impressively well in a cave.

Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo

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Should we really be making jokes about this? There's a very good chance that 11 kids are going to drown after having spent god knows how long in circumstances you can't comprehend. Only a few days of bad rain away from drowning, but they might suffocate in the meantime

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