So, 5 games in...

[desertfox2]

11 hours ago, Col city fan said:

This is absolute bollox it really is.

Every manager feels they can do better than the last one.

If Puel fooks this up and gets sacked, there will be plenty of decent applicants waiting in the wings insisting that they ‘can do a better job’. (Seriously have you not heard of the managerial Merry-go-round)?

It will be about money too. Promise a potential incumbent a zillion quid a season and the queue will be backing up to the River Soar. There may even be a few fat managerial rejects stood in it!

It's unlikely Puel was our first choice Col, and arguably Ranieri probably wasn't either although that went better than anyone expected. I did say who would come that was any good. What's bollox is the assumption that loads of top quality managers will be beating a path to our boardroom to come and manage us, or that we would pay zillions for them. Not managerial rejects who would be, but would again be uninspiring to many of our fan base.Job security would play a role in a lot of decent managers minds. Our owners are fantastic but they are also pragmatic. I'd be amazed if our managerial budget was anything higher than just over mid table which is where we will probably finish, maybe a few positions higher. With the training ground and stadium expansion plans I can't see that changing anytime soon. Not to mention paying off another manager to sack him.

 

Out of interest who do you think we would get? 

[desertfox2]

12 hours ago, l444ry said:

Doesn't seem to have hurt Chelsea or, more pertinently, Watford. 

We are in no way comparable to Chelsea in attracting managers though.

 

Watford have achieved nothing yet. We should know better than anyone how judging a manager over a handful of games can work out.

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, Strokes said:

Where were all these better applicants last time around Col, surely we would have taken them then?

It's an interesting point you make. We seem to only appoint managers out of work, who have likely applied for the role. I'm often very critical of our board of directors, who's heart might be in the right place but they're hardly in the upper echelons of the footballing elite. I genuinely think it's there where we fail to convince managers.

 

Some would come here, but they need to be sold the dream which we're very good at telling our fans but it doesn't make sense why we aren't trying to recruit the management and coaches both at first team level and the academy to match the ambition our owners have.

 

It would help for a start if we tried to do our recruiting in the summer when managers of other clubs are more obtainable and more likely to move. The past two summers we've headed in to the off season with serious doubts about the man in charge and rumours circulating that we'd make another change, yet we didn't and 8 games in last season we binned Shakespeare and 5 games in now there's grown men who are considering going whacky warehouse with their bairns or fcukin Asda with their missus rather than watch this toss under Puel. 

 

It's time our owners employed a better class of directors on the board to take this club to the level they want, people that understand football at the level we aspire to get to. And people who have an effective plan in the recruitment of managers, each time we need a new manager it's like we're starting from scratch in our search. It's amateurish and no wonder why we end up plumping for someone who's begged for the gig who's out of work. Clowns.

[Bert]

Big two games for Puel.... 4 points minimum needed. 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

Big two games for Puel.... 4 points minimum needed. 

Yeah. It was exactly this sort of run of games last season around Feb/March time when we defied science and couldn't buy a win. We've not recovered since, we've lost the ability to dispose of dog shit.

[l444ry]

19 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

We are in no way comparable to Chelsea in attracting managers though.

 

Watford have achieved nothing yet. We should know better than anyone how judging a manager over a handful of games can work out.

Should have put in your original post that...…."and if anyone proves my assertion wrong with examples I'll cook up some excuses why they don't count."    

[desertfox2]

14 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Should have put in your original post that...…."and if anyone proves my assertion wrong with examples I'll cook up some excuses why they don't count."    

  it would be pretty boring if we all agreed. 

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[desertfox2]

12 hours ago, Webbo said:

How many managers did newcastle sack before they appointed Benitez?. Most managerial vacancies occur after a sacking. Dozens of managers want to manage in the premier league, we have a good squad and the wages will be damn good. the idea that nobody will want to come here if we sack Puel is laughable.

I didn't say that nobody would come just that I don't think anyone any good would if we were to sack Puel right now. Benitez was out of work when he joined Newcastle and it was on the same day Schteeve was sacked. Pardew had 4 years at Newcastle which for is a decent run for anyone in the current climate particularly someone of his standard.

[Webbo]

30 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

I didn't say that nobody would come just that I don't think anyone any good would if we were to sack Puel right now. Benitez was out of work when he joined Newcastle and it was on the same day Schteeve was sacked. Pardew had 4 years at Newcastle which for is a decent run for anyone in the current climate particularly someone of his standard.

They had Carver and McClaren with 6 and 3 months a piece since Pardew. We sacked Shakespeare 8 games into the season and managed to attract Puel who is an outstanding manager according to some on here.

[MC Prussian]

36 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

I didn't say that nobody would come just that I don't think anyone any good would if we were to sack Puel right now. Benitez was out of work when he joined Newcastle and it was on the same day Schteeve was sacked. Pardew had 4 years at Newcastle which for is a decent run for anyone in the current climate particularly someone of his standard.

Well, that depends on your definition of a "good manager".

 

A younger manager like Graham Potter could've acted as a massive boost to players and fans alike, much like Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim.

 

Puel has had some success in France, but only lasted one season at Southampton, where the football on show was dire for most part - something we saw during the second half in 2017-2018. And to some extent still now, with a somewhat different starting XI.

[Guest MattP]

49 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

I didn't say that nobody would come just that I don't think anyone any good would if we were to sack Puel right now. Benitez was out of work when he joined Newcastle and it was on the same day Schteeve was sacked. Pardew had 4 years at Newcastle which for is a decent run for anyone in the current climate particularly someone of his standard.

That's because he was paying off his casino debts to Ashley.

[CosbehFox]

25 minutes ago, Webbo said:

managed to attract Puel who is an outstanding manager according to some on here.

Here’s the Foxestalk curse - hyperbole and exaggeration. It’s either black or white. Pro or anti.

 

I don’t think you’ll find many who are backing the manager calling him outstanding. Most of us are saying he’s doing okay, not great but certainly not dogshite like some posters are making out 

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[Finnaldo]

18 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...not so much the last 5 games, more what had gone on before!!!

We were all crying out for a RB, he brings in Ricardo who is not a RB, does  not seem to understand the concept and a total light weight defensively. Such a waste, we could have a bona fide RB with Ricardo playing RW, (he knew the way Ricardo plays) once again he seems to have over complicated the situation.

   He seems to have a built in self destruct button.......the only problem is he keeps pushing it!!!!!!

 

Ricardo.... isn’t a right back? 

[ARM1968]

3 hours ago, Finnaldo said:

 

Ricardo.... isn’t a right back? 

Thought he was supposed to be da shit at right back, not shit at right back. 

[Smudge]

11 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Here’s the Foxestalk curse - hyperbole and exaggeration. It’s either black or white. Pro or anti.

 

I don’t think you’ll find many who are backing the manager calling him outstanding. Most of us are saying he’s doing okay, not great but certainly not dogshite like some posters are making out 

Only on Foxestalk, rampant tautology, where will it all end? 

[Chrysalis]

Personally I find this football better than shakespeare's later games which were basically random hoofs up the pitch.

[Dahnsouff]

Puel has been here about a year, but during this time he could not implement the system he desired as the players he needed for the new system were not at the club until the recent transfer window. So the whole been here a year is not quite right, Bit of a cop out I know, but this feel like a fact too me.

(Slight Puel apologist, but I think we underestimate the task he has.)

However - he now has his players mostly (the article about bidding/enquiring for Golovin was interesting but maybe rubbish)  but I do think he wanted more creativity.

(So maybe we will see Barnes back in Jan?)

He has what he has, it should be better than a lot of teams in the league and critical judgement begins in earnest NOW.

Unfortunately he faces perceived lower quality teams which we struggle to break down/create against.