Sing for Claude

[Freeman's Wharfer]

6 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Shameful you are even thinking this way all things considered.?

 

It's not really though is it?

 

We have to move on at some point and get back to normality. The accident is not going to define Leicester City for the rest of time.

 

All I've asked is when people individually feel that might be.

[Bluetintedspecs]

17 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

It's not really though is it?

 

We have to move on at some point and get back to normality. The accident is not going to define Leicester City for the rest of time.

 

All I've asked is when people individually feel that might be.

Yes in time, however, after the horrific tragedy losing our beloved Chairman and 4 other precious lives the emotional and physical turmoil and the travel I personally do not feel NOW is the time.

I think your agenda is cold and heartless though each to their own.

IMO grief affects individuals differently and it's the time for togetherness not petty personal agendas. It will take as long as it takes.

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

All I've asked is when people individually feel that might be.

It is difficult to judge - have you ever had a loss that was devastating? Different people will take differing lengths of time to deal with it fully, no two people react to grief the same. One could reasonably ask how long the naysayers will keep up their dogmatic negativity whilst the whole club is in turmoil - the manager is/was good enough for Top/Vichai, but not good enough for the unhappy on here. I feel some people only roar their heads off for the team on certain conditions - when are THEY going to learn what unconditional (NOT the same as uncritical) support means?

 

 I think this international break could not have been better timed for our club, first time I've ever felt that way.

[Tringfox]

4 hours ago, Livid said:

I’ll hold my hands up.

 

A year ago I thought there was no way on earth Chilwell would cut it as a left back let alone an England international but I was wrong he has come on tremendously. That is down to Puel, he stood by him when he was getting slated (including by me), gave him confidence and probably taught him a couple of things.

 

Ricardo is starting to get it. As good as he looks bombing forward I think he’s beginning to understand you can’t do that at will in this league. 

 

A couple of of months ago I didn’t see much progress but the longer the season goes the better we seem to look. It will come. 

What are your thoughts on players like Ndidi and Diabaté?

[Livid]

 

4 minutes ago, Tringfox said:

What are your thoughts on players like Ndidi and Diabaté?

Defensively I don’t have a problem with Wilf or Mendy. They are what they are two solid defensively minded CM. Could they be doing more, I don’t know. Should they be doing more again I don’t know. I think we have lacked a decent attacking box to box CM for some time. I don’t think either of them are going to fulfill that role.  It’s one thing to tweak someone’s game another to change it totally. 

 

Diabate I haven’t seen for some time. I think we’ve improved as a team since he last had a run. I can’t comment. 

[Ted Maul]

He's not getting sacked this season, absolutely no chance. So suck it up and get behind them, they need it more than ever.

[Duncan_K]

For me it's very simple. The unity our club has shown in the last fortnight is very special and must be maintained. Any fans agitating against the manager or players are doing more harm than good. 

 

If Top, and realistically looking at the body language and leadership; Kasper and Vardy, decide a change is necessary then keep the unity and back the decision. 

 

I'm not saying there's never a place for disunity, sometimes the board need to be shown the feelings of the fans. But not at the moment, at the moment we are as one  so let Top make a decision as and when he wants to and get behind the team. 

[HybridFox]

Hearing "Claude Puel's blue army" as loud and passionately as it was post Cardiff on a regular basis would be brilliant

[Dan LCFC]

23 hours ago, Oxfordfox83 said:

If you have a lot of shots but don’t score, the problem’s not the tactics, it’s the shooting. 

Can't agree with that. Depends where the shots are from. We don't create enough as a side in general. Should've scored at least one of the chances yesterday, mind you, but I think as a general rule we usually have a lot of shots without actually having that many clear chances, if that makes sense.

[Wolfox]

I would join in with any song for Puel…. I was disappointed one didn’t get one going on Saturday…. It must’ve been like parading your beautiful ex girlfriends in front of your wife!  It would be good to show him some love…

 

Maybe a song for Top whist we are at it?

[Hanan96]

7 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Can't agree with that. Depends where the shots are from. We don't create enough as a side in general. Should've scored at least one of the chances yesterday, mind you, but I think as a general rule we usually have a lot of shots without actually having that many clear chances, if that makes sense.

Gray one on one, vardy shoot to a goal which the gk are down already, and maybe ghezzal crossbar header were the clear cut chances. 

 

But the rest of the match, I agree we are sometime struggle to create clear cut, especially when our opposition start to mark our no. 10

 

Not sure what will happen to ghezzal if he play as no 10 and get tightly marked as madison 

[sylofox]

16 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

It's not really though is it?

 

We have to move on at some point and get back to normality. The accident is not going to define Leicester City for the rest of time.

 

All I've asked is when people individually feel that might be.

Pretty fecking obviously not the first home game after the accident. 

 

As for blaming Puel for setting up so defensive have you considered the wishes and thoughts of our new owner. 

 

Who may have said do not risk loosing this game. 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

10 hours ago, sylofox said:

Pretty fecking obviously not the first home game after the accident. 

 

As for blaming Puel for setting up so defensive have you considered the wishes and thoughts of our new owner. 

 

Who may have said do not risk loosing this game. 

If you scroll back through the thread mate, I think it's quite clear that I'm not judging Puel on just the Burnley game.

 

In fact far from it, I'm pushing the point that he should be judged across a prolonged period of time rather than just the last two weeks (as the OP was suggesting that he should have his name sung because of the last two weeks).

 

As soap opera as your suggestion sounds, if Puel is taking tactical direction from any owner at any time then that would only add further weight to him not being the right man for me.

 

I don't think this is the case though seeing as we've persisted with a back four and two defensive midfielders all season (even versus 10-men or when we have nothing to lose).

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

If you scroll back through the thread mate, I think it's quite clear that I'm not judging Puel on just the Burnley game.

 

In fact far from it, I'm pushing the point that he should be judged across a prolonged period of time rather than just the last two weeks (as the OP was suggesting that he should have his name sung because of the last two weeks).

 

As soap opera as your suggestion sounds, if Puel is taking tactical direction from any owner at any time then that would only add further weight to him not being the right man for me.

 

I don't think this is the case though seeing as we've persisted with a back four and two defensive midfielders all season (even versus 10-men or when we have nothing to lose).

Not so, but it is a part of the overall picture 

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

 

 

As soap opera as your suggestion sounds, if Puel is taking tactical direction from any owner at any time then that would only add further weight to him not being the right man for me.

Who said he's took tactical advice. 

 

Under the circumstances I would think him all the players the owners and other board members felt the same. Or would you rather we threw everything at them and lost to a breakaway goal. 

 

90% of our fans under the circumstances seem happy with the result. Your coming across as one of the 10%.

[yks]

On 11/11/2018 at 01:10, Freeman's Wharfer said:

So seven defensive players on the pitch for the 90 minutes at home to a poor Burnley side is adventurous is it?

He should totally have played Okazaki instead of Evans.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

53 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Who said he's took tactical advice. 

 

Under the circumstances I would think him all the players the owners and other board members felt the same. Or would you rather we threw everything at them and lost to a breakaway goal. 

 

90% of our fans under the circumstances seem happy with the result. Your coming across as one of the 10%.

You were suggesting that maybe the 'new owner' told him to play defensively/not lose the game?!

 

But again, you're missing the point that I'm not talking about Saturday in isolation. I'm talking about Puel over the last year.

 

You didn't scroll back through the thread did you you little scoundrel!!!

 

 

Edited 12 November 2018 by Freeman's Wharfer

[Freeman's Wharfer]

41 minutes ago, yks said:

He should totally have played Okazaki instead of Evans.

Great contribution to the thread. That's clearly what I was suggesting so thanks for putting it so succinctly. 

[sylofox]

13 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

You were suggesting that maybe the 'new owner' told him to play defensively/not lose the game?!

 

But again, you're missing the point that I'm not talking about Saturday in isolation. I'm talking about Puel over the last year.

 

You didn't scroll back through the thread did you you little scoundrel!!!

 

 

The clue was in the word MAYBE. 

 

Yes I do get the point but not sure you do. Perhaps some of us don't want your bullshite at the present time. 

 

Oh well another off my Xmas card list. 

[HighPeakFox]

9 minutes ago, sylofox said:

The clue was in the word MAYBE. 

 

Yes I do get the point but not sure you do. Perhaps some of us don't want your bullshite at the present time. 

 

Oh well another off my Xmas card list. 

He's on my list of people I responded to entirely reasonably, only to be ignored.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

He's on my list of people I responded to entirely reasonably, only to be ignored.

Well I won't be seeing his drivel again

[Freeman's Wharfer]

17 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

He's on my list of people I responded to entirely reasonably, only to be ignored.

Your response was entirely reasonable. And well articulated. I wasn't ignoring it, I just didn't realise that it required a direct response from me!

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Your response was entirely reasonable. And well articulated. I wasn't ignoring it, I just didn't realise that it required a direct response from me!

Thank you - given you'd asked for feedback, I went to the trouble of giving it.

[gw_leics772]

On 11/11/2018 at 11:17, Freeman's Wharfer said:

I'll ask this question again as I'm genuinely interested to hear people's responses...

 

When does the accident stop being a factor? When will we be able to assess the football we see played before us without attributing it to the accident? One week? One month? One year?

Possibly as early as after the international break. Maybe not.

 

But i think, first game a week after the deaths, followed by first home game, at the site of the deaths, after travelling to and from thailand for the funeral. THAT IS TOO ****ING SOON.

 

Get it?

 

I liken your comments to that of Dan Roan, but at least in his defence, he didnt realise it would be broadcast to loads of people who cared.

 

You did. ****ing troll.

[gw_leics772]

On 11/11/2018 at 13:19, Freeman's Wharfer said:

You're missing my point here...

 

Should we start to sing Puel's name just because of the last two weeks? No, the merit of singing his name should be based on the whole picture and not just an isolated incident.

 

Did we play well against Burnley? We were ok, should have probably won. Would have had a better chance of winning without a back four and two defensive midfielders for the entire 90 mins (you can still look dangerous against a poor side with a safety-first approach - imagine how dangerous you'd look if you threw caution to the wind even more)

 

Should the last two weeks give Puel a free pass? Absolutely not. We should judge him across the last 12 months and it would be good to clarify when we can start looking at the bigger picture (because like it or not that result yesterday will fit into the bigger picture come the end of December when we're considering points won at home versus the bottom half - which was his big undoing last season)

 

Is either of us right or wrong? No, it's all about opinions. Some will want Puel out based on the approach and the results across a prolonged period, others will think we should settle for safety and 9th-12th. Some will give Puel extra time because of the accident, others will believe he would/should have been sacked for results up to the night of the accident.

 

Am I stupid? Definitely not. I'm not a Puel fan based on what I've seen from him in the last year. I firmly believe anything below 8th is a poor season given the squad we have and resources. I feel we struggle against the poorer teams at home as the approach is the same as for the better teams away. I'm more at the pragmatic end of the scale regarding the accident and feel that after yesterday it's time to get back to move on and get back to normality.

I think you're missing THE point.

 

People are advocating singing a song for him. Considering the debate about should he stay or should he go, it seems obvious that the ONLY reason we could all agree on the possibility of singing him a song is purely down to the last 2 weeks.

 

Re read it. Should we sing a song for him.

 

I dont know how youve managed to confuse that with "Should we forgive him for everything, give him a 12 year contract and never sack him."

 

Maybe, just maybe its not everyone else and could be down to you and what you are typing.