Vardy transfer request rumour

[UpTheLeagueFox]

On 22/12/2018 at 08:20, Ric Flair said:

Neither counter attack or a possession based system are wrong systems to play but it's about doing them as well as you can and sadly Puel is more comfortable teaching his style but it's still not suited to the group of players nor is it how most average teams play in this league so it means you come up against a lot of teams who want to sit as deep as possible and counter you. Where as in France and other European countries, this slower style of play is more common.

Personally I'm not sure - based on Southampton and with us - that Puel really 'gets' English football. Maybe he will in time. But he's had 2+ years in this country and I don't think he does.

 

On 22/12/2018 at 09:40, justfoxes said:

Unfortunately this awful trend that if players don’t get on with the managers they virtually down tools and some even sulk and act like spoiled children as Pogba and co did to Jose at Manure !

A lot of the players (and other staff at the training ground) enjoyed having open debate with Pearson who listened to their views and sometimes modified his ways to get the best out of them and keep the dressing room strong and together. Pearson, for his various faults, allowed the dressing room to function with discussion. That would be useful right now with Puel.

 

On 22/12/2018 at 10:00, Hollyfox said:

THAT night after the West Ham , after a terrible display ( imo) against 10 men and a lucky  deflection for our equaliser, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a decision had been made before the helicopter took off.

That has been quietly debated amongst a lot of people.

[foxile5]

Without the lengthy quote of Geoff. I heard that, on the eve of West Ham, Puel had been binned. 

 

I don't fully trust my source but I also have had good information. I think that a lot of it is guess work. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 hour ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Personally I'm not sure - based on Southampton and with us - that Puel really 'gets' English football. Maybe he will in time. But he's had 2+ years in this country and I don't think he does.

 

A lot of the players (and other staff at the training ground) enjoyed having open debate with Pearson who listened to their views and sometimes modified his ways to get the best out of them and keep the dressing room strong and together. Pearson, for his various faults, allowed the dressing room to function with discussion. That would be useful right now with Puel.

 

That has been quietly debated amongst a lot of people.

We are the only club who for some reason apparently needs to dilute the status of the manager to that of an MC.  Imagine if Klopp had to listen to Alberto Moreno's opinion on tactics before making decisions

 

Is it not possible that this hearkening back to the Pearson period is not the best way to move forward as a club?

 

Chilwell and Gray speak well of the manager when they speak to the press. Could that be because they dont have the experience with Pearson to fall back on and beat the current manager with?

 

Ranieri asked the players what they would prefer to play like when he was struggling, and look where that got him

 

I dont deny that the reported dissent exists, I just dont think its right that it does

[VLC86]

7 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

We are the only club who for some reason apparently needs to dilute the status of the manager to that of an MC.  Imagine if Klopp had to listen to Alberto Moreno's opinion on tactics before making decisions

 

Is it not possible that this hearkening back to the Pearson period is not the best way to move forward as a club?

 

Chilwell and Gray speak well of the manager when they speak to the press. Could that be because they dont have the experience with Pearson to fall back on and beat the current manager with?

 

Ranieri asked the players what they would prefer to play like when he was struggling, and look where that got him

 

I dont deny that the reported dissent exists, I just dont think its right that it does

We are the only club that listens to its employees opinions before making key decisions? ? Kim Jong Un eat your heart out.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

We are the only club that listens to its employees opinions before making key decisions? ? Kim Jong Un eat your heart out.

Kim Jong is doing better than Nigel Pearson or Claudio Ranieri

 

And who says Puel doesnt listen?

 

Maybe he just doesnt give a shit

 

[VLC86]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Kim Jong is doing better than Nigel Pearson or Claudio Ranieri

 

And who says Puel doesnt listen?

 

Maybe he just doesnt give a shit

 

It has been implied on numerous occasions that Puel doesn’t listen. Listening and listening then taking their advice on board are different things but to be successful in management it can’t just be ‘’my way or the highway’ all the time.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

It has been implied on numerous occasions that Puel doesn’t listen. Listening and listening then taking their advice on board are different things but to be successful in management it can’t just be ‘’my way or the highway’ all the time.

But "their way" led to Ranieri getting the sack. It led to Shakespeare getting the sack. It led to the relegation zone

 

There is a reason we need a manager and not just a caretaker indulging the players 

[Fox85]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

But "their way" led to Ranieri getting the sack. It led to Shakespeare getting the sack. It led to the relegation zone

 

There is a reason we need a manager and not just a caretaker indulging the players 

Are you sure it wasn't anything to do with Ranieri completely changing the backroom staff in his final tenure??????.

Love the bloke for what he did( If it was actually him)

But once The backbone that NP and CS built left our downfall started.

This isn't me just saying it's what happened.

[VLC86]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

But "their way" led to Ranieri getting the sack. It led to Shakespeare getting the sack. It led to the relegation zone

 

There is a reason we need a manager and not just a caretaker indulging the players 

I don’t think so. Ranieri led us to the relegation zone when he actually started to manage the team and put his ideas across where Shakey got the bullet for a lack of direction.

 

Your argument actual proves you to be wrong as when CR got sacked we reverted to what we did the previous season and got success from it.

[Fox85]

3 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I don’t think so. Ranieri led us to the relegation zone when he actually started to manage the team and put his ideas across where Shakey got the bullet for a lack of direction.

 

Your argument actual proves you to be wrong as when CR got sacked we reverted to what we did the previous season and got success from it.

I'm glad someone else can see it aswel same as my comment above 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

Are you sure it wasn't anything to do with Ranieri completely changing the backroom staff in his final tenure??????.

Love the bloke for what he did( If it was actually him)

But once The backbone that NP and CS built left our downfall started.

This isn't me just saying it's what happened.

I remember an interview where Ranieri said he asked the players what they wanted to do and they said they wanted to go with the old 442 formation

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

7 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I don’t think so. Ranieri led us to the relegation zone when he actually started to manage the team and put his ideas across where Shakey got the bullet for a lack of direction.

 

Your argument actual proves you to be wrong as when CR got sacked we reverted to what we did the previous season and got success from it.

Errr what?  Didnt we have a few good games and then start getting turned over?

I remember a certain pasting by Palace. We lose by 1 goal to palace under Puel and he's the devil

[HighPeakFox]

I'm a musician - I was once asked to give some advice to up and coming players, in order to do well. I simply said 'listen'.

 

I think Geoff has a very difficult job at the best of times, because trying to be professionally objective about the club you support must be nigh-on impossible. He's also brave to even come here and contribute, because he cannot win really. I think that allowances need to be made for Geoff allowing his opinions be known (and I speak as one that doesn't always share his views and contents of his posts), and perhaps accept that if Puel is not perceived to be listening, and takes the autocratic approach (or at the very least gives that impression), then that is going to alienate people. 

 

I don't want things to be unhappy behind the scenes at LCFC, but there's absolutely no point in ignoring it if someone such as @UpTheLeagueFox suggests that it's so - even if it is impossible to be 100% ITK, that's no reason to rubbish someone who knows their job as Geoff does.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Errr what?

It really doesn’t need explaining again.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm a musician - I was once asked to give some advice to up and coming players, in order to do well. I simply said 'listen'.

 

I think Geoff has a very difficult job at the best of times, because trying to be professionally objective about the club you support must be nigh-on impossible. He's also brave to even come here and contribute, because he cannot win really. I think that allowances need to be made for Geoff allowing his opinions be known (and I speak as one that doesn't always share his views and contents of his posts), and perhaps accept that if Puel is not perceived to be listening, and takes the autocratic approach (or at the very least gives that impression), then that is going to alienate people. 

 

I don't want things to be unhappy behind the scenes at LCFC, but there's absolutely no point in ignoring it if someone such as @UpTheLeagueFox suggests that it's so - even if it is impossible to be 100% ITK, that's no reason to rubbish someone who knows their job as Geoff does.

Nobody is rubbishing what he is saying. I fully believe him.

 

I just dont care if Danny Simpson is complaining about us trying to improve ourselves in possession

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

It really doesn’t need explaining again.

Edited my comment.

 

We started tanking shortly after.

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Nobody is rubbishing what he is saying. I fully believe him.

I am sure you're not, but I've seen him taken to task by others who suggested he had an 'agenda' - so to say 'nobody' isn't accurate.

[VLC86]

5 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Errr what?  Didnt we have a few good games and then start getting turned over?

I remember a certain pasting by Palace. We lose by 1 goal to palace under Puel and he's the devil

Once again that completely backs up what I said.

 

It clearly isn’t just a 1-0 defeat at Palace that’s got people again Puel and you know it. 

 

PS we got our biggest pasting at Palace under you know who.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

4 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Once again that completely backs up what I said.

 

It clearly isn’t just a 1-0 defeat at Palace that’s got people again Puel and you know it. 

 

PS we got our biggest pasting at Palace under you know who.

Haha, right you are. I was getting it mixed up with the pasting by Spurs under Shakespeare

 

My point is that reverting to the title winning way worked for a bit after Ranieri's sacking. It was an initial reaction, then started to look terrible again. We needed to change

 

 

[Tom12345]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-chelsea-pundits-reaction-2358256

 

Fully agree with Ian.

 

Can’t believe there were fans here criticising him recently including his performance until his goal at Chelsea during the match blog here.

[Albert]

4 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Without the lengthy quote of Geoff. I heard that, on the eve of West Ham, Puel had been binned. 

 

I don't fully trust my source but I also have had good information. I think that a lot of it is guess work. 

U can can fully trust your source..

[UpTheLeagueFox]

3 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

To be successful in management it can’t just be ‘’my way or the highway’ all the time.

Players should never be allowed to run the show, and I doubt they'd want that anyway, but listening to employees and making certain little tweaks, as Pearson did so well to keep a tight, together dressing room (and backroom staff / training ground employees), is indeed a sign of very good management.

 

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think Geoff has a very difficult job at the best of times, because trying to be professionally objective about the club you support must be nigh-on impossible. He's also brave to even come here and contribute, because he cannot win really. I think that allowances need to be made for Geoff allowing his opinions be known (and I speak as one that doesn't always share his views and contents of his posts), and perhaps accept that if Puel is not perceived to be listening, and takes the autocratic approach (or at the very least gives that impression), then that is going to alienate people. 

 

I don't want things to be unhappy behind the scenes at LCFC, but there's absolutely no point in ignoring it if someone such as @UpTheLeagueFox suggests that it's so - even if it is impossible to be 100% ITK, that's no reason to rubbish someone who knows their job as Geoff does.

Life would be far simpler not to post on here. I even get stick from colleagues from time to time for doing so.

I don't come here and make shit up. I post in good faith.

I fully appreciate some will outright disbelieve what I say if it doesn't fit their, um, 'agenda' or train of thinking. No problem.

 

One thing I get a lot is "You're just saying such-and-such because you want him sacked".

This is not true. I want him to adapt, to listen, to lead a steadier ship and make us better.

I don't have a great deal of faith in him doing that but I hope he does and I'll be very happy. I was bloody buzzing we won on Saturday yet some thought I actually wanted us to lose!!!!!!

 

3 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Nobody is rubbishing what he is saying.

Plenty do, here and on social media, but it's fine. I'm a grown up.

 

5 hours ago, foxile5 said:

I heard that, on the eve of West Ham, Puel had been binned. 

I don't fully trust my source but I also have had good information. I think that a lot of it is guess work. 

 

1 hour ago, Albert said:

U can can fully trust your source..

As Albert alludes to, there were lots of noises in that direction shall we say.

[ozleicester]

8 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Kim Jong is doing better than Nigel Pearson or Claudio Ranieri

Gerrimin

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Plenty do, here and on social media, but it's fine. I'm a grown up.

It's the last time I'll mention it because it gets boring, but you haven't helped yourself. Clearly you don't like Puel for numerous reasons and that's entirely your prerogative. But when you are openly so vocal about it and you are seen to negatively frame certain things, like Vardy being rested as actually being "dropped". Then people are going to wonder how much your personal opinion has altered how you decided to frame a certain piece of news. 

 

I'm sure you'll say one mans rested is another mans dropped, but I would disagree. There are many other negative aspects involved when a player is dropped (especially arguably our best) over just resting an injury.

 

The issue then becomes, well if he's prepared to frame the resting of a player so negatively, is he doing the same with other news? If for arguments sake Danny Simpson, Fuchs, King, Jakupovic, Okazaki and Silva whinging and whining because they don't feature and because they know their time is up if this manager stays, does that become "ALL the players have turned on the manager". Does Stowell, a goal keeping coach not getting listened to when it comes to match tactics become "Puel doesn't listen to staff"

 

I would absolutely expect there to be staff and players not happy, it would be weird if they weren't to be quite honest. Because it's a new manager dealing with legacy staff and players from multiple other reigns. Not signed or hired by him, it's going to be a grind to get everyone on side. 

 

So whilst I'm sure you're absolutely correct in what you say is happening down there, it's the context that's massively important. If it's Maddison, Chilwell, Ricardo, N'didi, Kasper, Maguire, Grey, Albrighton, Mendy who are all fed up to the back teeth of him and nobody is on board with him, then it's a far bigger issue than if it's a group led by all the previously mentioned ones. 

 

Hopefully this isn't coming across too attacking, it's meant as constructive criticism. I've appreciated all your posts in the past and will going forward. 

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, Matt said:

Really not sure what your point is and not understanding why you're going over old ground, I apologise for that, for that reason i'm not even sure why i'm replying but hey ho.

 

I personally have admitted both the previous managers style were poor (Well Ranieri's in his second season), i've said time and time again Ranieri tried to change too much, too quick, both on the field trying a different style and off the field in terms of staff, as sad as it was, he cost himself his job before anyone else can be blamed. Shakespeare, he simply wasn't a manager and set up not to lose rather than try and win match - Whether you agree or not I see alot of that in Puel if i'm honest, despite yesterday.

 

They both lost their jobs ultimately by dropping into the bottom three as you say, but if anyone said they weren't bothered by how we were playing I think they'd be lying and i'm more than sure there were major concerns posted on here at the times.

 

As I said earlier I feel as if I can't say right for saying wrong and i'm not sure if I totally understand what you're getting at here so apologies if i've gone off on about something different.

You said he was asking the players to play a style they aren't good at. What do you think they are good at, because if it's purely sit behind the ball and counter that  stopped working about two years ago?

 

Rather than keep bumbling along with a style that wasn't working anyway, you're far better to try and implement the style you believe will reap the long term benefits. Whilst slowly changing the players along the way. It's not like we're suffering that much playing it, even if we're struggling to adapt entirely as we had a top 10 finish and are 9th now. 

 

If we were near the bottom three and struggling massively, then I'd absolutely agree. Sod the long term plan, just get whatever points you can in whatever style and with whatever players you can. But we aren't in that position, so if the club agree with the notion of moving away from 30% possession every week (the chairman talked about it, so presumably he was in agreement), then keep going in that direction. See who can adapt and who can't, move on those that can't. 

 

Whether he is good enough to implement that style is another story.