mucfox Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 Top has to decide - Vardy or Puel ? I'm quite sure we will get a new manager very soon and Jamie will again have fun playing football and the fans too. Players have more power everywhere than managers and in this case long overdue. Jamie IN - Puel OUT
UniFox21 Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 Just now, mucfox said: Top has to decide - Vardy or Puel ? I'm quite sure we will get a new manager very soon and Jamie will again have fun playing football and the fans too. Players have more power everywhere than managers and in this case long overdue. Jamie IN - Puel OUT Tbh, this is the kind of post that sums up the state of football. Pogba vs Mourinho was exactly the same and Utd are being slated. Players need to do what they're good at; playing, and stop doing this everytime sh1t doesn't go their way
Matt Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 7 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Tbh, this is the kind of post that sums up the state of football. Pogba vs Mourinho was exactly the same and Utd are being slated. Players need to do what they're good at; playing, and stop doing this everytime sh1t doesn't go their way Point being we're not very good at; playing, in this style, I think that's quite obvious. As I said earlier, I'm asking for flexibility, it's easier to change the style to suit the players you have opposed to asking the players to play in a style they're not very good at, you get the best out of what you got.
mucfox Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 50 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: you said ...I think Gray and Iheanacho have the potential to adapt though... May I ask you in which kind of sport? Certainly not football at Premier League level 51 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 27 minutes ago, mucfox said: Gray has had some great games recently and is maturing in his play all the time. Iheanacho is based solely on him being young and showing flashes of something every so often I do admit.
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said: If it's them later, then the board need to back their manager, otherwise, when they DO change manager the same will happen. Again and again. Myself, we've gone back to being unfashionable and the media want to milk a story out of us. I think we are already at that point though aren't we. Rumours of unrest under Pearson when we survived suggesting players just ignored him etc. Under ranieri before he was sacked and now under Puel. Surely this can't be a coincidence? Or just media spin.
gw_leics772 Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said: Again, all very sensible comments, but above all, positive. Im just not feeling it though. Hopefully it'll pass.
the fox Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 4 hours ago, splinterdream said: If he has handed in a TR, then i wouldn't blame him Well, in this situation where Vards Handed a TR (if he did), how can people say "they can't blame him". You can definitely do. What I wouldn’t blame him for is voicing his frustration with Puel to the owner. That seems fair to me. This is like saying "well, I can't blame my wife for leaving me because the landlord is horrible". Where is the logic there?
the fox Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 And I can't believe people are very happy to send Vardy away with smiles. He's one of the best players here (if not the best) but people want him to go just because the manager isn't doing well. How? He got paid very well by the club and has many years on his deal here. Let's hope this is fake news because this will hurt Vards standing as a legend here a lot.
filbertway Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 I love how Babylon's facts about Vardy and our counter attacking are being completely ignored here haha.
filbertway Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 It'll be interesting when people get what they want and we go back to being a team with no control, getting dominated by everyone we come up against. Carry on this way. The club will regress right back to the championship.
Ric Flair Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 55 minutes ago, filbertway said: It'll be interesting when people get what they want and we go back to being a team with no control, getting dominated by everyone we come up against. Carry on this way. The club will regress right back to the championship. That's not what anyone is saying at all, it's quite simple. You can be a counter attacking team that when is required, can slow things down and maintain possession. The key is knowing when to execute each style and it will happen in many stages throughout a game. What we are tending to see more and more though is teams sit back on us and gift us possession and we work the ball slowly until eventually its moved out wide when teams have set their banks of four and we cross in to the box where we only have one player in there who isn't any good at attacking crosses anyway. This is what we used to do under Ranieri, get teams to take it out wide and then it was food and drink for Morgan and Huth when the ball came in. The answer, firstly you need at least one central midfielder who can pass forward quickly and fairly accurately, you also need to be at times willing to trick the opposition in to having the ball and setting traps to then stretch them. We sadly haven't got that right now as Silva has never made an impact and Maddison isn't strong enough to play in central midfield unless it was in a 4-1-4-1. We also need to press much more seriously from the attack, but you need 5-6 players doing it in unison. This is something we half heartedly do these days and then it fizzles out or we expose ourselves to being ripped apart. Neither counter attack or a possession based system are wrong systems to play but it's about doing them as well as you can and sadly Puel is more comfortable teaching his style but it's still not suited to the group of players nor is it how most average teams play in this league so it means you come up against a lot of teams who want to sit as deep as possible and counter you. Where as in France and other European countries, this slower style of play is more common.
justfoxes Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 On 20/12/2018 at 22:32, Alf Bentley said: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1055931/Chelsea-transfer-news-Jamie-Vardy-Leicester-Stamford-Bridge Chelsea transfer news: Jamie Vardy WANTED at Stamford Bridge as legend demands striker CHELSEA need to swoop for Leicester forward Jamie Vary says Dennis Wise Who's Jamie Vary ??? That’s not chappers again is it ??
justfoxes Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 9 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: I think we are already at that point though aren't we. Rumours of unrest under Pearson when we survived suggesting players just ignored him etc. Under ranieri before he was sacked and now under Puel. Surely this can't be a coincidence? Or just media spin. Unfortunately this awful trend that if players don’t get on with the managers they virtually down tools and some even sulk and act like spoiled children as Pogba and co did to Jose at Manure !
Hollyfox Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 Is it possible that Vardy signed his new deal in the knowledge that Puel was on his way? Then, after the disaster, we've had to stay as we were. THAT night after the West Ham , after a terrible display ( imo) against 10 men and a lucky deflection for our equaliser, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a decision had been made before the helicopter took off. Could well be wrong though?
filbertway Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: That's not what anyone is saying at all, it's quite simple. You can be a counter attacking team that when is required, can slow things down and maintain possession. The key is knowing when to execute each style and it will happen in many stages throughout a game. What we are tending to see more and more though is teams sit back on us and gift us possession and we work the ball slowly until eventually its moved out wide when teams have set their banks of four and we cross in to the box where we only have one player in there who isn't any good at attacking crosses anyway. This is what we used to do under Ranieri, get teams to take it out wide and then it was food and drink for Morgan and Huth when the ball came in. The answer, firstly you need at least one central midfielder who can pass forward quickly and fairly accurately, you also need to be at times willing to trick the opposition in to having the ball and setting traps to then stretch them. We sadly haven't got that right now as Silva has never made an impact and Maddison isn't strong enough to play in central midfield unless it was in a 4-1-4-1. We also need to press much more seriously from the attack, but you need 5-6 players doing it in unison. This is something we half heartedly do these days and then it fizzles out or we expose ourselves to being ripped apart. Neither counter attack or a possession based system are wrong systems to play but it's about doing them as well as you can and sadly Puel is more comfortable teaching his style but it's still not suited to the group of players nor is it how most average teams play in this league so it means you come up against a lot of teams who want to sit as deep as possible and counter you. Where as in France and other European countries, this slower style of play is more common. We'll see soon I suppose. My instinct tells me that most fans over-rate our squad and what its capable of. As babs said, weve scored from as many counter attacks as we have done in previous seasons. Also Vardy has missed 8 or 9 key chances when he had only missed 5 or 6 in a whole season before. Im no great fan of our style at the minute but for me i think its a half way house until we can get the squad sorted. Its hard to sort the squad since we gave ridiculous contracts out to players that are surplus to requirements. I'm definitely not happy with how our games are going this season, but for me its short term pain in the grand scheme of things. This is a massive job for any manager and whoever got it should be given full backing. Its a good 24-36 months that is needed for rebuilding this team and were still in the early stages of it really. Id expect a fair bit of progress made on the playing staff this summer and things should start clicking more from there. I just know I'll be reading the same crap from the same people this time next season if Puel is to go soon. If we continue to pander to the players that get upset, we'll have this same stuff untill the core of the squad is in their mid to late thirties.
blaaklint Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 4 minutes ago, Beechey said: Oh yeah he definitely wants to leave... I do wish Maddison would stop pumping his crotch in full view of everyone.
Jattdogg Posted 22 December 2018 Posted 22 December 2018 32 minutes ago, blaaklint said: I do wish Maddison would stop pumping his crotch in full view of everyone. Or having an in game wank
mucfox Posted 23 December 2018 Posted 23 December 2018 it could be dangerous - Chelsea is looking for a world class striker and wants Jamie Vardy or Robert Lewandowski https://www.westlondonsport.com/chelsea/football-chelsea-transfers-leicester-city-jamie-vardy
Babylon Posted 23 December 2018 Posted 23 December 2018 On 21/12/2018 at 23:24, Matt said: Point being we're not very good at; playing, in this style, I think that's quite obvious. As I said earlier, I'm asking for flexibility, it's easier to change the style to suit the players you have opposed to asking the players to play in a style they're not very good at, you get the best out of what you got. Considering the last two got sacked for being bottom three, how good exactly were we at playing the other style? I don't understand why the year and a half post title win absolute pile of steaming cack seems to get ignored.
Matt Posted 23 December 2018 Posted 23 December 2018 36 minutes ago, Babylon said: Considering the last two got sacked for being bottom three, how good exactly were we at playing the other style? I don't understand why the year and a half post title win absolute pile of steaming cack seems to get ignored. Really not sure what your point is and not understanding why you're going over old ground, I apologise for that, for that reason i'm not even sure why i'm replying but hey ho. I personally have admitted both the previous managers style were poor (Well Ranieri's in his second season), i've said time and time again Ranieri tried to change too much, too quick, both on the field trying a different style and off the field in terms of staff, as sad as it was, he cost himself his job before anyone else can be blamed. Shakespeare, he simply wasn't a manager and set up not to lose rather than try and win match - Whether you agree or not I see alot of that in Puel if i'm honest, despite yesterday. They both lost their jobs ultimately by dropping into the bottom three as you say, but if anyone said they weren't bothered by how we were playing I think they'd be lying and i'm more than sure there were major concerns posted on here at the times. As I said earlier I feel as if I can't say right for saying wrong and i'm not sure if I totally understand what you're getting at here so apologies if i've gone off on about something different.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 23 December 2018 Posted 23 December 2018 We might have been in the bottom 3 with the last 2 managers but it was 'exciting' and the managers had 'charisma'. Surely excitement and charisma and maybe getting relegated is more important than being safely in the middle of the premier league? Come to think of it we're getting too many points at the minute, if we sack Puel we might get closer to the bottom 3 and have some excitement which is what a lot of foxes fans seem to crave.
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