Mike Oxlong Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 2 minutes ago, MPH said: we also know players and managers cover up problems between each other. would vardy admit to being dropped? look, he may well be carrying some sort of injury but as someone alluded to a few days ago, it’s amazing how quickly people recovered from injuries in the championship winning season.. Hasn’t JV said in the interview on SSN that he is carrying an injury but it won’t need surgery ? If so and given our deficits in the striker department surely it’s not unreasonable for the manager to rest him. Others may have taken a different decision but that doesn’t make CP’s decision unreasonable. Certainly not a case of being “dropped” That assertion isn’t accurate and smacks of having an agenda IMO
Ric Flair Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 2 hours ago, Babylon said: And when the next manager comes in and decides it's perhaps not the best idea to build your team around a 32 year old forward, average players like King, players passing or past their prime like Simpson and Fuchs. If anyone comes in and decides it's not really a long term strategy to play hoof ball with a load of 30+ players, there is going to be unrest, there is going to be division. I'd expect nothing more than players to be unhappy, because moving away from them is going to cause unrest as they are no longer wanted. Like him or loath him, he's doing the dirty work with the squad that someone like Shakepeare (a popular man with the players) wouldn't have done. It's not a popularity contest. Any chance the people moaning are those that fit into this category of player? I'd shed no tears if the bloke got sacked tomorrow, but how many more times do we need to have players behind the sacking of the manager, leaking shit to the press. They shouldn't be the ones in charge. This isn't any old 32 year old though, he's one of the most extraordinary players we've ever had. I personally find it sickening any fan would dismiss the loss of Vardy of theres a rift being caused. It's this sort of nonchalant attitude that would see us suddenly be faced with relegation and not understand why, everyones frustration with Morgan not being replaced dont understand sometimes the importance of what they bring on and off the field. The magic of what happened, you cant learn or teach and to get rid of it all has to happen at some point but we are so weak mentally amongst this group of new players that I'm genuinely fearful of what's happening with us. The balance isn't right and I dobt trust the methods right now. Vardy is still INTEGRAL to us and ought to be way in to his mid thirties, hes a freak of a player.
Wymsey Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 6 hours ago, Babylon said: He's 32 and on a contract longer than anyone else will give him. Who is going to pay the money to buy him exactly? A Chinese club? In fact, that wouldn't be a bad guess here, considering so,e club over there purchased Iniesta, Hulk etc.
1972 Fox Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: This isn't any old 32 year old though, he's one of the most extraordinary players we've ever had. I personally find it sickening any fan would dismiss the loss of Vardy of theres a rift being caused. It's this sort of nonchalant attitude that would see us suddenly be faced with relegation and not understand why, everyones frustration with Morgan not being replaced dont understand sometimes the importance of what they bring on and off the field. The magic of what happened, you cant learn or teach and to get rid of it all has to happen at some point but we are so weak mentally amongst this group of new players that I'm genuinely fearful of what's happening with us. The balance isn't right and I dobt trust the methods right now. Vardy is still INTEGRAL to us and ought to be way in to his mid thirties, hes a freak of a player. 100% agree. I'm not one for wanting to sack Managers unless it's absolutely necessary. I now think it has come to that point as he's just not the right man to take us forward IMO. Not sure who we should go for but our hierarchy should be working on a shortlist of candidates. Puel has to go or we'll continue to head in the wrong direction.
volpeazzurro Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 10 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: A Chinese club? In fact, that wouldn't be a bad guess here, considering so,e club over there purchased Iniesta, Hulk etc. Stranger things happen but don't see him uprooting his wife and young family to go to China.
MPH Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 38 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said: Hasn’t JV said in the interview on SSN that he is carrying an injury but it won’t need surgery ? If so and given our deficits in the striker department surely it’s not unreasonable for the manager to rest him. Others may have taken a different decision but that doesn’t make CP’s decision unreasonable. Certainly not a case of being “dropped” That assertion isn’t accurate and smacks of having an agenda IMO what else is Vardy going to say? he’s not going to go against the clubs official line that he was injured. hes carrying a couple of niggles for sure but you’d be surprised how many do that we don’t get to hear about.
MPH Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 43 minutes ago, Babylon said: Vardy literally said we couldn't have risked him playing twice in such a short space of time. He didn't have to say anything about it, but was very open about us treating the injury with care. If he's not meant to like Puel as people keep making out he could have played up to it or said something different or nothing. As for injuries healing quicker, I'm not sure what that's even meant to mean. Not a single person here knows what injuries players had that year, what they've got this year and the differing severities of them. It's another case of 2+2= 3,675. see above.
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 27 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: A Chinese club? In fact, that wouldn't be a bad guess here, considering so,e club over there purchased Iniesta, Hulk etc. Can't see Mrs Vardy fancying China somehow even if the money is obscene. L.A Galaxy might be a different matter though.
Leicesterpool Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 I don't really any other premier league club, most will look at his age and feel he's too old! For me the transfer request is down to the relationship with Puel not the club, I think Vardy and few others just don't like him and I think time many others my start to put in requests, Albrighton, Gray and maybe Ndidi.
Jattdogg Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 10 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: Can't see Mrs Vardy fancying China somehow even if the money is obscene. L.A Galaxy might be a different matter though. He aint going anywhere. If he does bring him over to TFC will gladly watch him tear apart mls.
Foxxed Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 49 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: This isn't any old 32 year old though, he's one of the most extraordinary players we've ever had. I personally find it sickening any fan would dismiss the loss of Vardy of theres a rift being caused. It's this sort of nonchalant attitude that would see us suddenly be faced with relegation and not understand why, everyones frustration with Morgan not being replaced dont understand sometimes the importance of what they bring on and off the field. The magic of what happened, you cant learn or teach and to get rid of it all has to happen at some point but we are so weak mentally amongst this group of new players that I'm genuinely fearful of what's happening with us. The balance isn't right and I dobt trust the methods right now. Vardy is still INTEGRAL to us and ought to be way in to his mid thirties, hes a freak of a player. I'd agree yet we do need to think about the future nonetheless. He's certainly right that the style doesn't suit him (although his recent form hasn't helped) but should we go the other way and build a team and style around an extraordinary once-in-a-generation 32 year old then the club could be accused of shortsightedness.
FLAN Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 7 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: I don't really any other premier league club, most will look at his age and feel he's too old! For me the transfer request is down to the relationship with Puel not the club, I think Vardy and few others just don't like him and I think time many others my start to put in requests, Albrighton, Gray and maybe Ndidi. Gray won’t be a regular in many other teams. Puel seems to rate him despite him having minimal effect in many games
49er Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 Can you blame him if he were to leave? After winning the title, we have gone down hill at an alarming rate. Who would have thought two and a half years ago that we would be struggling to finish above teams such as Cardiff and Brighton? Poor old Vardy has had to watch the procession of poor players - Musa, Slimani, Silva, Hernandez, Zieler - whilst he tucks away the odd goal or two. Rather like Mahrez, he's probably wasted his time and does he really want to play for a team that, on current form and with the inept management team, will view reaching survival as an achievement!
49er Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 3 minutes ago, F1_AN said: Gray won’t be a regular in many other teams. Puel seems to rate him despite him having minimal effect in many games Maguire will defintely move on. If Man Utd offer £60m in January I would let him go. Yes, he can pass the ball better than Wes and bring out from defence, but he's not a great defender (stopping goals)
cityfanlee23 Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 I agree with a lot of what has been said but my two pence: Vardy is a Legend of Leicester City Football Club and what he's achieved here may likely never happen again, he deserves his legend tag and his services have been almost unparalleled. I respect him as a player and as a person for what he's done for us all. However, he is approaching 32 and although still quick he does not look as quick as he used to be for me, and that was one of the main aspects of his game, the issue with vardy is that he's been playing in a system that suits him for a while, and although as a club we know we need to deviate from the route 1 plays over the top of the past, we cannot do that with Vardy, because he simply has not adapted, i've said for a couple of seasons now while vardy has been integral to our success he has limitations in his ability to play any other way. Even with the changes Puels style still requires strikers to run into channels, it still requires strikers to position themselves appropriately and defend in blocks from the front, it still requires strikers to finish chances, this season JV has missed many great chances, his movement has been a shadow of the past and he does not seem to be positioning himself in a way that can allow him to get possession of the ball as much, whether that's CP's instructions or not we don't know, but I doubt very much he's telling Jamie not to run into channels and move himself into space, something he's struggled to do this season. He knew how Puel plays when he signed his lucrative new contract deal only 4 months ago and I cannot see big clubs offering him a bumper wage deal ontop of paying 15-20m for a 32 year old, America is probably the only place he is going to get that kind of deal where he would consider moving his family. We need to move forward, our premier league winning team is being stripped and we all know it needed to happen as we transition forwards, regardless of who is the manager of our club, nobody is likely to come in and try to replicate a style that suits Vardy because it just isn't sustainable anymore. He's almost 32 and we cannot carry on building a squad that suits his style of play as we very easily risk a situation where he retires or leaves in the next 12 months and we all of a sudden have a system that does not work and a squad of players that struggle to adapt to a new style. Claude Puel must NOT deviate from his course just to suit Jamie (as should no manager), Jamie must carry on trying to adapt rather than have everything adapted around him, 1 player is not more important than the other 10 on the pitch, even Messi and Ronaldo have had to adapt to different styles with new managers and Vardy is no exception. We are not in a relegation situation where a new manager has come in and is going back to basics to try and get vardy to score to get us out of the shit, we are safe and are transitioning to a new style. He is clearly trying and should continue to do so, but I feel people are trying to use this as a club to bash the manager over the head with for doing the right thing and adapting the individuals around the SQUAD rather than the SQUAD around individuals. I hope he stays with us, but if he cannot adapt and want's to leave then good luck to him, we should not hold him back and vice versa.
fox_favourite Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 1 minute ago, 49er said: Maguire will defintely move on. If Man Utd offer £60m in January I would let him go. Yes, he can pass the ball better than Wes and bring out from defence, but he's not a great defender (stopping goals) Really? He's a very good defender. Covers for Morgan's mistakes on a regular basis and defended very well against Man City considering he's been out for a while.
cityfanlee23 Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 15 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: I don't really any other premier league club, most will look at his age and feel he's too old! For me the transfer request is down to the relationship with Puel not the club, I think Vardy and few others just don't like him and I think time many others my start to put in requests, Albrighton, Gray and maybe Ndidi. Have not seen any evidence of Gray or Ndidi not liking the manager, come to that there is no evidence anybody does not like the manager, but Vardy and Albrighton have both now seen the downfall of 3 managers, i'm not linking it directly to them as individual people, but we have had this situation under 3 different managers now.
Mike Oxlong Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 23 minutes ago, MPH said: what else is Vardy going to say? he’s not going to go against the clubs official line that he was injured. hes carrying a couple of niggles for sure but you’d be surprised how many do that we don’t get to hear about. “ but admits playing a number of games in a short space of time is not really an option for him right now” Heaven forbid that just happens to be the truth when other assumptions can be used to beat CP with.
The Doctor Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 1 hour ago, MPH said: look, he may well be carrying some sort of injury but as someone alluded to a few days ago, it’s amazing how quickly people recovered from injuries in the championship winning season.. Almost like adrenaline around achieving something insane carried people through. Not to mention the bigger injuries were Vardys wrist, something with less of an impact than a groin injury.
Leicesterpool Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 Say for example Puel left the club how quickly Vardy's injury would recover? Albrighton it feels like Puel hates playing him and admits defeat when he has to bring him on. Puel likes to play a certain way in which Albrighton doesn't fit in, once Albrighton comes on the tactics have to change and funnily enough most times Albrighton enters a game we see sudden impact.
Farrington fox Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 I just can’t decide which camp I’m in. It goes without saying, Vardy has been utterly fantastic for us. Whatever happens he’s already in Leicester City folklore. But, he’s now 32 and going by performances this season, maybe his best is behind him. Puels setup doesn’t suit his game, that much is obvious. So should we persist with him because of what he’s done and who he is. Or is it time to move on?!
volpeazzurro Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: This isn't any old 32 year old though, he's one of the most extraordinary players we've ever had. I personally find it sickening any fan would dismiss the loss of Vardy of theres a rift being caused. It's this sort of nonchalant attitude that would see us suddenly be faced with relegation and not understand why, everyones frustration with Morgan not being replaced dont understand sometimes the importance of what they bring on and off the field. The magic of what happened, you cant learn or teach and to get rid of it all has to happen at some point but we are so weak mentally amongst this group of new players that I'm genuinely fearful of what's happening with us. The balance isn't right and I dobt trust the methods right now. Vardy is still INTEGRAL to us and ought to be way in to his mid thirties, hes a freak of a player. I think your dead right Ric in what you say in the importance of Vardy and Morgan. The former speaks for himself and the latter is much maligned by some regarding his overall contribution. I personally didn't see anything wrong in Vardys comments and neither did I read too much into them. I certainly didn't see it as a snipe towards his manager but more of a determination to try an evolve which is a good thing. He's acknowledged that he's struggled but arguably we're not seeing the true version of what Puels trying to achieve yet as we're desparatly short of a couple of players. I don't think if Vardy had gone to Arsenal or now moved to Chelsea that they would start lumping the ball over the top but, they would have the sufficient quality of players to feed the channels. I don't think Vardy is as one dimensional as some people think and believe he's clever and adaptable with the rihjt players. Hopefully we will be able to sign a couple of players to assist him more sooner rather than later. Sadly, Iheancho for me is taking up a valuable place in the team and is not one of them. Morgan despite criticism has been a stalwart yet again this year when we've needed him and played well. I think Puels appreciates them both also. Neither of them is bigger than the team or manager, however neither do I see any real evidence of them trying to be.
OhYesNdidi Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 Morgan is clearly in the team for his leadership as it’s 100% not his ability or performances.
volpeazzurro Posted 21 December 2018 Posted 21 December 2018 1 hour ago, Blue Fox 72 said: 100% agree. I'm not one for wanting to sack Managers unless it's absolutely necessary. I now think it has come to that point as he's just not the right man to take us forward IMO. Not sure who we should go for but our hierarchy should be working on a shortlist of candidates. Puel has to go or we'll continue to head in the wrong direction. If Kopp has been at Liverpool since 2015 before getting to this stage on their journey and Guadiola since 2016, why do Leicester City fans, who's club had some quite serious relegation threatening issues, think any manager can come aboard in 2017 and sort things out in even less time? Big problems at a little club take time to solve and implement a coherent future plan. The next messiah would need at least 18 months and yet another budget for his vision.
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