In It Together?

[Kopic]

Anyone know the record for anti-Puel threads post match? Today must be close.

[5waller5]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Pearson is a different kettle of fish all together, what he put together was a solid foundation that saw us romp home the title guided by the experience of Claudio and with the addition of a few key players.

 

He set his teams up to play from the off, press, get the first goal and win games, complete opposite of the way Puel wants to play.

 

I also imagine the togetherness comes from man management of players, with talks of unrest at the training ground you didn't get this under Pearson.

 

Imagine being in the dressing room of a Pearson team talk and Puel team talk complete opposite I would imagine.

 

The only thing similar between Pearson and Puel is the way he handles the incomings/outgoings but its not like we can spend loads of money anyhow, so he has no choice but to manage it and develop the young players.

 

He doesn't inspire me one bit I was willing to give him a chance but todays showing has made me realise why I had doubts in the first place plus with the fans at the ground not liking what they are seeing and it does seem toxic in the ground its only a matter of time.

It's a good point - that slow start is really awful to watch. I played myself and one of our mantras was to "win the first 10 minutes" .... I genuinely think by doing that you win the first half because it shapes the game. Drives me nuts that we concede the first 10 so easily!

 

As a fan that's something I've always wanted to see - the team talk - how different they must be!

[bfox]

1 minute ago, wardyfox86 said:

Disconnect is the perfect word for Puel's tenure. 

Meant to say disconnected ?, bloody iPhone!

[foxinsocks]

3 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I didn't hear his interview, how disappointing that he should think that!

He has to envision us.  He should say... i want to get everyone on board.  If people are booing then it's clear i have to win them over... tell them what i am doing.. what my values are and my prioities..... because to be sucessful we must all pull together.

 

He needs to set out his ideas in an open letter on ft... and explain his immediate focus and ask us to back him.

That would be leadership

[5waller5]

Just now, Kopic said:

Anyone know the record for anti-Puel threads post match? Today must be close.

I was trying for a different angle that I don't think is really covered by the Puel In / Out threads.  My question is really does it matter to us or the club that we feel this way?

[brucey]

25 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

As he said in between the interview, we are not his concern, when asked about the boos, if he doesn’t care about us booing, I guess he’s not concern about us being on board with his plans.

 

11 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I didn't hear his interview, how disappointing that he should think that!

 

Edited 12 January 2019 by brucey

[5waller5]

2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

He has to envision us.  He should say... i want to get everyone on board.  If people are booing then it's clear i have to win them over... tell them what i am doing.. what my values are and my prioities..... because to be sucessful we must all pull together.

 

He needs to set out his ideas in an open letter on ft... and explain his immediate focus and ask us to back him.

That would be leadership

I sense irony, however I think he should be doing exactly that, short of an open letter to FT!

[holyfox]

1 hour ago, KansasFox said:

Whether you are in favour of Puel or not.  I'm not sure the lack of 'in it together' is down to him.  I think a lot of it is about expectation.  In the great escape, there was a sense of reality of the quality we had and that it would be a battle to stay up.  Therefore, the crowd rose to the challenge and we backed the team.  

In the League winning year, we hoped with great hope, but didn't really expect or believe it would happen till it was actually confirmed, there was such a buzz, there was no way, we could NOT be together, the whole nation pretty much was backing us.

Now we have found ourselves mid table, with the after affects of the premier league win and heightened (sometimes unrealistic) expectations.  Very little that we will achieve will be satisfying for many, and so most things will seem disappointing.

I think to some extent that all middle of the table teams face this.  The premier league is most thrilling at the bottom and top.

But when stuck in the middle, the in it together, in my view is going to be most down to the attitude of the fans.  For me, there is a reason that we struggle most at home, and that is how easy the fans can turn.  That toxicity has to change, and Puel alone cannot change that.

I get it is down to performance, to some extent, but performance can also be down to the players feeling that we are not 'in this together', that I think is also the fault of us fans! 

@KansasFox it’s sad how quickly fans have gone back to being so negative after all the balanced reflection we had when Vichai passed away. I’ve been a City fan since I first watched football in the late 70’s and can remember how hard it was to stay positive. The odd shock win against Liverpool through. Winston White goal or the 5-3 against Orient being highlights to keep you going. Then we had the fighting spirit through the Brian Little era followed by the O’Neil yrs. wondered if we’d ever see that kind of success again in my lifetime after we went down to League 1, yet the period since has been the most exhilarating journey ever. I remember my daughter asking me if we’d play Man Utd and Barcelona when we were fighting for promotion from the Championship and I always said- ‘maybe, one day’. And then that season changed everything. Have never seen so many happy faces week in week out. Going to the ground and feeling the support from the fans, the players couldn’t help but be that bit faster and that bit more positive.

fast forward to this season and I really do wish some people would just wake the fcuk up! If you can’t be positive and support a young team in transition that is battling at the right end of the table- don’t come to the matches. Yes we should be beating a Newport and Southampton, but it’s hardly as if they’ve bloody outplayed us!!! Some young and nervous players( see comment on moaning fans) , we are bound to have some crap games. Equally, we should be losing to Chelsea and Man City- but we go toe to toe with them and beat them. But hey, that’s a blip according to some. 

Mits cleat from Puels statement that there isn’t the money to go and buy a team and I for one and fine with that. This is actually more like the Leicester way. Build players who aren’t the finished arrivals over a few years of stability and eventually we’ll reap the rewards. Some people must have amnesia- I remember the negative rants about Nige when we we stuck towards the bottom- clueless free kicks, clueless corners- boring tactics etc etc. But he was given time and it took him saying ‘fcuk it, we have no choice but to go for it, for it to all turn around.

i say get behind the team, appreciate that anywhere mid table for a couple of years is great, while we develop young gems who will grow together over time with a team spirit that can make us competitive at the top.

but this isn’t going to happen without the fans getting behind the vision and the manager and to cut them some slack when things don’t work. We were not outplayed, we just haven’t gotten good enough to break down teams that park the bus... with time we will.

read back some to the comments about the fans of the big teams when we were on the up- a lot of fans in here seem to have morphed into Arsenal- spurs and Manure fans.  Leicester is about unity, about spirit and taking the knocks and coming back fighting. 

Rant over 

Edited 12 January 2019 by holyfox

[Monsell1976]

9 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I didn't hear his interview, how disappointing that he should think that!

Depends where you read it,  he’s says he feels the fans frustration, speaks a bit, then asked about boos, says not my concerns.

 It does seem to be getting twisted to be something more.

 I’d like to think with the translation, he means I can’t let the boos bother me

[sly1]

Puel had a dream, to destroy a football team, he came from France and now we want him to go. We never attack, we only pass back. Champions of England we used to be that

[5waller5]

 

3 minutes ago, brucey said:

 

https://www.twitter.com/JasonBourne1986/status/1084175021684207618

 

BBC misquote shock!!!

 

Nice to see Jason Bourne take them to task about it!

[foxinsocks]

7 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I sense irony, however I think he should be doing exactly that, short of an open letter to FT!

It wasnt irony.... but this is the sort of inspiring leadership that ckaude will never provide.  No matter how good he is a techi stuff he doesnt inspire me and i don't think the players look very pumped up either.  I have worked with great learder who you would follow thru thick and thin and made you believe that you could achieve everything. ... thats why claude is not the one

Edited 12 January 2019 by foxinsocks

[splinterdream]

9 minutes ago, brucey said:

Choudhury was rubbish last season

No he wasn't, end of the season when he played he was brilliant

[lgfualol]

19 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Pearson is a different kettle of fish all together, what he put together was a solid foundation that saw us romp home the title guided by the experience of Claudio and with the addition of a few key players.

 

He set his teams up to play from the off, press, get the first goal and win games, complete opposite of the way Puel wants to play.

 

I also imagine the togetherness comes from man management of players, with talks of unrest at the training ground you didn't get this under Pearson.

 

Imagine being in the dressing room of a Pearson team talk and Puel team talk complete opposite I would imagine.

 

The only thing similar between Pearson and Puel is the way he handles the incomings/outgoings but its not like we can spend loads of money anyhow, so he has no choice but to manage it and develop the young players.

 

He doesn't inspire me one bit I was willing to give him a chance but todays showing has made me realise why I had doubts in the first place plus with the fans at the ground not liking what they are seeing and it does seem toxic in the ground its only a matter of time.

Pearson also had the advantage of years of patiently building HIS team. Of course they were all running through walls for him. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

It’s incredibly hard to ‘get behind the manager’ at the minute.  The games are mostly absolute dogshit.  This isn’t transition.  Transition you can see a plan, a formula, people working towards something.  There is literally nothing.  The talk about all the young players I kind of get, but again, some seem to be going backwards which isn’t a good sign.

 

Today is the first time i’ve switched off at half time.  There was just no pleasure in watching.

[5waller5]

Just now, lgfualol said:

Pearson also had the advantage of years of patiently building HIS team. Of course they were all running through walls for him. 

Serious question ...... If Puel was given another 3 years do you think we'd have players running through walls for him?

[Hammo]

10 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

He has to envision us.  He should say... i want to get everyone on board.  If people are booing then it's clear i have to win them over... tell them what i am doing.. what my values are and my prioities..... because to be sucessful we must all pull together.

 

He needs to set out his ideas in an open letter on ft... and explain his immediate focus and ask us to back him.

That would be leadership

This. Definitely this.

 

But he won't, will he? You just know he won't. His arrogance wouldn't permit it. Instruments of torture would be required to persuade him.

[Col city fan]

41 minutes ago, brucey said:

The football may be tough to watch, with no discernable style, but I think it's pretty clear what Puel's vision and remit is: to develop the young players. And that is one thing he does well.

Does he?

Fair play, he PLAYS them, but is that the same as ‘developing’ them?

Personally, I think Ndidi and Nacho have gone downhill. They looked better players when they joined us?

Maguire hasn’t really improved. He’s stayed about the same. And Gray might as well not be playing. Add to this, Diabate, who looked fine when he joined, but is now out on loan and apart from Chilwell (who was always going to only get better) and Amartey (who’s just...ok) and I’m struggling to see any clear ‘development’. Even Maddison, clearly an extremely able young player, looks lost in his role.

I can’t agree with you mate.

[5waller5]

Just now, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It’s incredibly hard to ‘get behind the manager’ at the minute.  The games are mostly absolute dogshit.  This isn’t transition.  Transition you can see a plan, a formula, people working towards something.  There is literally nothing.  The talk about all the young players I kind of get, but again, some seem to be going backwards which isn’t a good sign.

 

Today is the first time i’ve switched off at half time.  There was just no pleasure in watching.

 

Yep! A team in transition I'd expect to see some flashes of brilliance as the plan is followed and we see where we are trying to head...... and then them revert to old styles, and forget the plot for a while. I see less and less positive football / passages of brilliant play each month that passes. The only progress seems to be towards a style of play that i find very very boring!

 

[Hammo]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Does he?

Fair play, he PLAYS them, but is that the same as ‘developing’ them?

Personally, I think Ndidi and Nacho have gone downhill. They looked better players when they joined us?

Maguire hasn’t really improved. He’s stayed about the same. And Gray might as well not be playing. Add to this, Diabate, who looked fine when he joined, but is now out on loan and apart from Chilwell (who was always going to only get better) and Amartey (who’s just...ok) and I’m struggling to see any clear ‘development’. Even Maddison, clearly an extremely able young player, looks lost in his role.

I can’t agree with you mate.

Nice one, Col. Slay the myth with evidence. Spot on.

[lgfualol]

6 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Serious question ...... If Puel was given another 3 years do you think we'd have players running through walls for him?

Yeah why not. Dont think we will find out though.

[5waller5]

10 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

It wasnt irony.... but this is the sort of inspiring leadership that ckaude will never provide.  No matter how good he is a techi stuff he doesnt inspire me and i don't think the players look very pumped up either.  I have worked with great learder who you would follow thru thick and thin and made you believe that you could achieve everything. ... thats why claude is not the one

Arghh .... I'm with you then!! I agree leaders inspire everyone around them, almost accidentally sometimes, but they certainly inspire the stakeholders and as fans I'd count us as that,

 

I was inspired by Claudio (loved the man within weeks).

I was inspired by Nigel - I could imagine apologising i didn't run hard enough into the wall if he asked me to run through it.

Even Shakespeare and especially when he was with NP and did interviews.

[Monsell1976]

16 minutes ago, brucey said:

 

 

Cheers for that, as I stated the bits I read, the press seemed to be trying to make something of it, didn’t hear the interview but thought it was being twisted, so thanks for clearing that up

[foxinsocks]

One other thing.... soneone posted sone tine ago that pearson recruited stable grafting players with growth mind sets. ..he got rid of big time charlies. 

In honesty i thought to be a prem club you had to have a manager like fergie who could manage all the different characters.   Yet we won the league and amongst other thing we saw the value hiring players witg the right character. .have we forgotten this?

[5waller5]

Just now, lgfualol said:

Yeah why not. Dont think we will find out though.

I don't think we will either ..... But can't imagine it myself