davieG Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 14 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: One of the few good - and very, very important - things that could come out of the current mess. It's a mug's game trying to predict the outcome of the next general election, even if it happens soon. But there's a distinct chance of another hung parliament - and possibly of Con, Lab, LDs & Brexit Party all getting 20-30% of the vote. If so, I hope the pro-reform parties make this idea a precondition for supporting any minority govt - and I hope Labour wake the hell up and support that. The moment could be right, given the chaos & contempt for democratic politics now. Funny enough, at the next election the SNP could well be one of the parties massively over-represented under FPTP, as it was in 2015. They could easily get 100% of the MPs in Scotland on less than 50% of the vote (nearly managed that in 2015). While I've no time for Farage's politics, it was an outrage that UKIP didn't get more MPs at previous elections - likewise for the Lib Dems & Greens. If UKIP had got more MPs earlier, maybe some issues might have been addressed more urgently & we'd never have had any Brexit referendum.... Personally, I'd favour Single Transferable Vote in Multi-Member Constituencies (similar to European election system, but allowing you to vote 1-2-3 etc. for different parties/candidates, with surplus votes transferred). That would be much more fair & proportional, would retain some constituency link & would minimise the risk of tiny parties holding the balance of power (the problem with ultra-pure systems as in Israel) Even though it was not the best alternative I vote for a change last time in the hope that it would be easier to improve once we had some form of PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 Just amazing ! ... Doris must have been FULLY AWARE of her incredible likeness to Boris for many years ... but has only now made it public ... which just so happens to coincide with his attempt to gain the leadership of the Conservative party ! ... I SMELL A RAT !!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 Why the obsession with citizens' assemblies at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 3 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Just amazing ! ... Doris must have been FULLY AWARE of her incredible likeness to Boris for many years ... but has only now made it public ... which just so happens to coincide with his attempt to gain the leadership of the Conservative party ! ... I SMELL A RAT !!!! Does she do extras CF ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 4 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Just amazing ! ... Doris must have been FULLY AWARE of her incredible likeness to Boris for many years ... but has only now made it public ... which just so happens to coincide with his attempt to gain the leadership of the Conservative party ! ... I SMELL A RAT !!!! And to think Wayne Rooney’s had worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 8 minutes ago, davieG said: Even though it was not the best alternative I vote for a change last time in the hope that it would be easier to improve once we had some form of PR. Likewise. But there just wasn't the support for it last time, either among political parties or the public. Both parties and public might be more favourable now, if there's another hung parliament & given the public dismay on all sides at the state of our democratic system. Could have been easily done after 1997, when Blair won a landslide, as a referendum on PR was a Labour manifesto commitment.....but, of course, the short-term prospect of a couple of terms of complete control tempted them to renege on that promise. A lot of things would have been different if they'd thought a bit more long-term..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 1 minute ago, Mike Oxlong said: Does she do extras CF ? I've asked her several times but she refuses to comment ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 27 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: If we have an election shortly, you can imagine a Tory/Brexit party coalition with Farage as number 2 to Boris. Libs will improve but won't want a coalition with any of the other parties, Labour can't do it on their own as they are toxic. As oppose to the non toxic Nigel & Boris? I can imagine it but I’d be embarrassed to live in this country with those two as representatives of the people that inhabit it. In the event of a GE without electoral reform I’m not sure we’d get a government at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Guiza Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 Just now, Swan Lesta said: As oppose to the non toxic Nigel & Boris? I can imagine it but I’d be embarrassed to live in this country with those two as representatives of the people that inhabit it. In the event of a GE without electoral reform I’m not sure we’d get a government at the moment. In fairness it's about time that people like Boris and Farage got their way. Rich, middle class, white, hetrosexual, middle aged men just do not have enough of a say in this country and I for one have had enough of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, David Guiza said: In fairness it's about time that people like Boris and Farage got their way. Rich, middle class, white, hetrosexual, middle aged men just do not have enough of a say in this country and I for one have had enough of it. I agree. Give me a poor LGBTQ person of colour who identifies as female and I will vote for them, whatever their policies Edited 3 July 2019 by AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Guiza Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 8 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I agree. Give me a poor LGBTQ person of colour who at identifies as female and I will vote for them, whatever their policies Right on sister xoxo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 3 July 2019 Author Share Posted 3 July 2019 10 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I agree. Give me a poor LGBTQ person of colour who at identifies as female and I will vote for them, whatever their policies What's the Q stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What's the Q stand for? do you even care about marginalised communities? Queer, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 25 minutes ago, David Guiza said: In fairness it's about time that people like Boris and Farage got their way. Rich, middle class, white, hetrosexual, middle aged men just do not have enough of a say in this country and I for one have had enough of it. Well, I will wait with bated breath to see MattP's response to this... The words 'red rag' and 'bull' spring to mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Guiza Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 3 minutes ago, Buce said: Well, I will wait with bated breath to see MattP's response to this... The words 'red rag' and 'bull' spring to mind. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't expecting a few to come back . On a serious note though, I do find it amusing when Farage and co talk as though they and their friends are a dying breed and are underepresented in British politics. Go to practically any pub in the country and you'll find 3/4 replicas. I used to occasionally drink in the Wheatsheaf in Thurcaston and that's almost exclusively Farage lookalikes, even the women and children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 Just now, David Guiza said: I'd be lying if I said it wasn't expecting a few to come back . On a serious note though, I do find it amusing when Farage and co talk as though they and their friends are a dying breed and are underepresented in British politics. Go to practically any pub in the country and you'll find 3/4 replicas. I used to occasionally drink in the Wheatsheaf in Thurcaston and that's almost exclusively Farage lookalikes, even the women and children. These people should not be represented in politics. Let them rot in their pathetic provincial holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 37 minutes ago, David Guiza said: In fairness it's about time that people like Boris and Farage got their way. Rich, middle class, white, hetrosexual, middle aged men just do not have enough of a say in this country and I for one have had enough of it. It's particularly sad as well because what they do have to say is so worth hearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Guiza Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: These people should not be represented in politics. Let them rot in their pathetic provincial holes Darling, you and I are not going to argue about this. There will never be a time that said group of people are not overly represented in British politics and to suggest otherwise is naive, comrade. Farage is practically the one politician whom has got exactly what he wanted from the past 5 years, maybe Boris too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 3 July 2019 Author Share Posted 3 July 2019 34 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: do you even care about marginalised communities? Queer, ok? looked it up out of interest. Questioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 4 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: looked it up out of interest. Questioning. Damn! Im a bigot after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 21 minutes ago, David Guiza said: Darling, you and I are not going to argue about this. There will never be a time that said group of people are not overly represented in British politics and to suggest otherwise is naive, comrade. Farage is practically the one politician whom has got exactly what he wanted from the past 5 years, maybe Boris too. I agree with you, love. White people will be white people as far as im concerned. Im not racist. Farage thought he got what he wanted and quit politics, now he thinks he wont get it and has come crawling back out of the woodwork. Farage is just representing people who agree with his politics. Its disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 51 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What's the Q stand for? Dunno, but I think the G is for Ginger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 13 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: looked it up out of interest. Questioning. I just looked it up too, out of interest. I was being Q Apparently it is Queer, which signifies questioning. So, you, sir, should apologise to Queer people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 Sainsbury’s are happy to sponsor the LGBTQ+ community at present. Is the + for those who wear plus sized clothing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 3 July 2019 Share Posted 3 July 2019 On the recent topic, I don't get folks who treat acceptance, rights and power from both on the subject of identity as some kind of zero sum game, like if some group stops being marginalised another group is definitely going to be marginalised in its place. It's concepts, not pie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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