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[Strokes]

2 hours ago, Countryfox said:

 

Just amazing ! ...   Doris must have been FULLY AWARE of her incredible likeness to Boris for many years ...   but has only now made it public ...   which just so happens to coincide with his attempt to gain the leadership of the Conservative party ! ...    I SMELL A RAT   !!!!

 

 

I’d steer well clear of her rat if I were you!

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I just looked it up too, out of interest. I was being Q

 

Apparently it is Queer, which signifies questioning.

 

So, you, sir, should apologise to Queer people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNJqio3QLrs

[Countryfox]

 

What a pretty cloud ...  looks more like a whale to me ...  if it had floated over Japan instead of Oadby it would have had about 20 harpoons fired at it ...  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[David Guiza]

'So, guys, obviously we need to cover the horrifying incident over the Kenyan man falling to his death from a plane. What angle do we want to take? The awful plight that forced him to stoaway on a plan?'

 

'The woman he nearly hit went to a decent University, boss'

 

'Perfect!'

 

[Buce]

 

Interesting to see that women's football isn't so different from the men's game, after all.

 

England still can't get past a semi or score penaties.

[davieG]

15 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Interesting to see that women's football isn't so different from the men's game, after all.

 

England still can't get past a semi or score penaties.

They can also dive, spit, cheat, argue, make nasty tackles and I bet they even fart but not the Queen obviously.

[Facecloth]

28 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Interesting to see that women's football isn't so different from the men's game, after all.

 

England still can't get past a semi or score penaties.

With the pictures of the Boris stripper I'm struggling to get past a semi too.

[Bellend Sebastian]

3 hours ago, David Guiza said:

'So, guys, obviously we need to cover the horrifying incident over the Kenyan man falling to his death from a plane. What angle do we want to take? The awful plight that forced him to stoaway on a plan?'

 

'The woman he nearly hit went to a decent University, boss'

 

'Perfect!'

 

It's a great leveller, almost getting hit by a falling aircraft stowaway.

 

Black or white, rich or poor, religious or atheist, we could all be struck by some poor sod from Mozambique or wherever plummeting from the heavens at any moment.

 

I think this could help us overcome our differences, I really do

[Nickfosse]

Disturbing report on ITV news investigating Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party. 

With the antisemitism in the Labour Party this is a dreadful period for our two mainstream parties and our national politics. 

I despair. 

[Buce]

 

If this was any other drug, the gammons would be frothing at the mouth:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/04/staggering-cost-nhs-alcohol-abuse-report

New report reveals staggering cost to NHS of alcohol abuse

One in 10 people in a hospital bed are alcohol-dependent and one in five are harming themselves by drinking

 

One in 10 people in a hospital bed in the UK are alcohol-dependent and one in five are doing themselves harm by their drinking, according to research that quantifies for the first time the massive burden to the NHS of Britain’s drinking culture.

Hospitals are struggling to cope with the numbers of people whose heavy drinking habits land them in A&E or mental health units, but while the NHS estimates that the cost of treatment runs to £3.5bn a year, the figures for the numbers of patients affected have been largely anecdotal.

A major review pulling together the results of 124 previous studies involving 1.6 million hospital inpatients reveals that 20% use alcohol harmfully, for instance by binge drinking, while 10% are dependent on alcohol. Experts say alcohol services in the NHS and the community have been cut, leaving a health service fighting to cope.

“These numbers are shocking: the number of beds used, the cost to the NHS, the sheer number of people suffering as a result of alcohol,” said Dr Richard Piper, the chief executive of Alcohol Change UK, the campaign group behind Dry January.

“As dedicated alcohol treatment services have faced years of swingeing cuts, hospitals are being left to pick up the pieces – but most simply do not have the expertise or capacity to do so, resulting in alcohol problems going untreated and those suffering returning to hospital time and time again.”

 

The review, led by Dr Emmert Roberts from the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience at King’s College London and published in the journal Addiction, calls for all patients admitted to hospital to be screened for their alcohol use and for medical staff to be trained in how to diagnose and treat those abusing alcohol.

Roberts was “super-concerned” by the findings, if not astounded, because he had expected the worst. But his medical colleagues’ reaction was one of shock. “The fact that they are shocked says to me that we are underdiagnosing these people and not providing them with adequate treatment,” he said.

“The message needs to get out there that this is a very prevalent, very common condition, and unless we start treating these people, obviously we are going to keep on having a rise in alcohol-related hospital admissions.”

But, he said, the NHS was losing its expertise. “Unfortunately, there’s been a reduction in trained addiction psychiatrists in the UK over the last five years and a reduction in real-terms funding to community specialist alcohol treatment services, and because of that there’s been a large reduction in the knowledge base of the healthcare profession around alcohol and other substance abuses.”

The government had funded alcohol care teams in the 25% of hospitals that were worst affected. “We don’t think that’s enough. We think there should be alcohol specialists in 100% of hospitals given the magnitude of the problem. It’s a nationwide problem that needs a nationwide solution and not just cherrypicking,” he said.

Alcohol Change UK said alcohol care teams, working across hospital departments and with the community services, save lives and NHS money. “Public Health England estimates that a seven-day service of this kind in a hospital can save 2,000 bed days per year, creating a saving of £3.85 for every £1 invested,” said Piper.

But there is a need to stop people arriving in hospital, he said. “We must consider whole-population approaches, like minimum unit pricing and restrictions on alcohol marketing, to prevent harm before it happens. We must wake up to the unacceptable levels of suffering that alcohol is causing our society.”

Prof Sir Ian Gilmore, the chair of the Alcohol Health Alliance UK, said the figures were worrying. “More than 80 people die of alcohol-related causes across the UK every day, and there are more than 1m alcohol-related hospital admissions every year in England alone. This puts considerable pressure on the NHS, as well as other public services,” he said.

 

“We are urging the government to prioritise reducing the harm alcohol causes. The government needs to take action and introduce targeted, evidence-based measures, including minimum unit pricing, to raise the price of the cheapest, strongest alcohol products, which would help to tackle the alcohol-related harms people are experiencing.”

The World Cancer Research Fund pointed out that drinking alcohol increases the risk of six types of cancer, including breast and bowel cancer. “We have a social culture in the UK which can be very focused on alcohol,” said Kate Oldridge-Turner, its head of policy.

“We need the government to empower people to drink less by making our daily environments healthier and tackling this drinking culture, as information alone won’t lead to large scale change in behaviours,” she said, echoing the call for minimum unit pricing as well as “better urban planning that gives people more social spaces that do not revolve around alcohol”.

The NHS England chief executive, Simon Stevens, said: “Alcohol dependence can devastate families with the NHS often left to pick up the pieces, yet the right support can save lives. The NHS long-term plan will expand specialist alcohol care teams in hospitals across the country to tackle problem drinking and prevent 50,000 admissions over the next five years.”

[fuchsntf]

17 hours ago, davieG said:

They can also dive, spit, cheat, argue, make nasty tackles and I bet they even fart but not the Queen obviously.

No..you are wrong there about the queen...over the years..we have had several headlines,about a stink being caused at the Palace..or Balmoral..!!

[davieG]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-poll-support-at-record-low-x2l8qnz7r

 

Jeremy Corbyn has taken the Labour Party to its lowest level of support in polling history, with fewer than one in five voters planning to back him at the next election, according to a survey.

Labour are fourth for the first time, with only 18 per cent saying that they would vote for the party if an election were held today, the Times/YouGov poll shows.

The only previous occasion when Labour have scored 18 per cent since polling began in the 1940s was in May 2009 as Gordon Brown’s government grappled with the financial crisis.

 

Cons 24%, Brexit  23&, Lib Dems 20%,   Labour 18%, Greens 9%

Labour have fallen two points since last week, a drop in support that will intensify doubts among the party’s MPs about Mr Corbyn’s leadership. It bolsters claims that his Brexit strategy and failure to quell the antisemitism row are harming the party with the general public.

Twenty-five per cent of Remain voters say that they will back Labour, compared with 40 per cent at the end of April and 48 per cent at the start of the year. The party has also been abandoned by Leavers, with 8 per cent backing it, down from 21 per cent in January.

Jon Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, expressed doubt over the findings. “I don’t believe that would be the result at a general election,” he told ITV’s Peston. “If that was a result at a general election it would be devastating for the Labour Party.”

As the Conservatives enter the final three weeks of their leadership election campaign they have reclaimed the sole lead. They are six points ahead of Labour with 24 per cent, two points higher than last week.

The Brexit Party, which last week was tied with the Conservatives, is second on 23 per cent, while the Liberal Democrats, who were one point behind Labour last week, have overtaken them and are on 20 per cent. The results again indicate that British politics is in a period of four-party competition, with the seat distribution difficult to predict under the system of first past the post.

Mr Corbyn, 70, and Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, had a “frank” meeting yesterday over the Times report last week that some senior civil servants fear that the Labour leader is not up to the job “physically or mentally” and has become “too frail and is losing his memory”.

 
Mr Corbyn, accompanied by Jon Trickett, the shadow Cabinet Office minister, met Sir Mark for 45 minutes in the Labour leader’s office.

The meeting was “frank and detailed, with a full exchange of views”, a Labour spokesman said. “The seriousness of the civil service breach and the evident malicious intent behind it was acknowledged by all participants in the meeting.

“Jeremy Corbyn and Jon Trickett pressed the case for a fully independent investigation to restore trust and confidence in the civil service. They were promised an independent element to the civil service investigation, that they will receive regular updates on its progress and that it would report as soon as possible. They made clear that the credibility of the investigation will be assessed on the basis of its results.”

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman agreed that the discussion had been “open and constructive”. The investigation will be conducted by civil servants unrelated to the events, and the findings will be shared with the first civil service commissioner.

The prime minister’s official spokesman confirmed that an investigation was the appropriate response to the allegations. “The civil service is responsible for looking into any potential breaches of the civil service code and this is no different,” he said. “If we are able to identify any individual responsible we will take appropriate disciplinary action.”

The Times reported at the weekend that the future of Mr Corbyn was openly discussed at an event attended by senior civil servants, with one saying that “there must be senior people in the party who know that he is not functioning on all cylinders”.

Lord Kerslake, former head of the civil service and a Labour adviser, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that it was “unacceptable” for civil servants to get involved in politics and that anyone who did so should lose their job if they were identified.

 
Labour insiders are braced for the party’s antisemitism dispute to worsen when a BBC Panorama episode entitled Is Labour antisemitic? is broadcast next week. The BBC claims that the documentary has secured “access to confidential communications and documents” which “reveal . . . evasions and contradictions”. One Labour insider said that they expected the episode to focus on the workings of Mr Corbyn’s closest aides.

In May the party was placed under formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission to examine whether it had unlawfully discriminated against Jews.

Yesterday the party was embroiled in another row when a pregnant MP who signed a statement criticising the decision to lift the suspension of Chris Williamson — the MP who said that Labour was being “too apologetic” about antisemitism — was targeted for deselection. Ellie Reeves, MP for Lewisham West & Penge since 2017, was threatened with a no-confidence vote by a local member.

The move would have stopped short of the formal deselection process but was abandoned after an angry response from Labour MPs. Harriet Harman, the former Labour deputy leader, said: “Ellie Reeves is not going to be deselected in 2019 while five months pregnant. We are not going to let it happen. Full stop!”

 

 

 

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

 

[yorkie1999]

20 hours ago, David Guiza said:

'So, guys, obviously we need to cover the horrifying incident over the Kenyan man falling to his death from a plane. What angle do we want to take? The awful plight that forced him to stoaway on a plan?'

 

'The woman he nearly hit went to a decent University, boss'

 

'Perfect!'

 

Name released. Aminya Flowerbed.

[ozleicester]

19 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-poll-support-at-record-low-x2l8qnz7r

 

Jeremy Corbyn has taken the Labour Party to its lowest level of support in polling history, with fewer than one in five voters planning to back him at the next election, according to a survey.

Labour are fourth for the first time, with only 18 per cent saying that they would vote for the party if an election were held today, the Times/YouGov poll shows.

The only previous occasion when Labour have scored 18 per cent since polling began in the 1940s was in May 2009 as Gordon Brown’s government grappled with the financial crisis.

 

Cons 24%, Brexit  23&, Lib Dems 20%,   Labour 18%, Greens 9%

Labour have fallen two points since last week, a drop in support that will intensify doubts among the party’s MPs about Mr Corbyn’s leadership. It bolsters claims that his Brexit strategy and failure to quell the antisemitism row are harming the party with the general public.

Twenty-five per cent of Remain voters say that they will back Labour, compared with 40 per cent at the end of April and 48 per cent at the start of the year. The party has also been abandoned by Leavers, with 8 per cent backing it, down from 21 per cent in January.

Jon Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, expressed doubt over the findings. “I don’t believe that would be the result at a general election,” he told ITV’s Peston. “If that was a result at a general election it would be devastating for the Labour Party.”

As the Conservatives enter the final three weeks of their leadership election campaign they have reclaimed the sole lead. They are six points ahead of Labour with 24 per cent, two points higher than last week.

The Brexit Party, which last week was tied with the Conservatives, is second on 23 per cent, while the Liberal Democrats, who were one point behind Labour last week, have overtaken them and are on 20 per cent. The results again indicate that British politics is in a period of four-party competition, with the seat distribution difficult to predict under the system of first past the post.

Mr Corbyn, 70, and Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, had a “frank” meeting yesterday over the Times report last week that some senior civil servants fear that the Labour leader is not up to the job “physically or mentally” and has become “too frail and is losing his memory”.

 
Mr Corbyn, accompanied by Jon Trickett, the shadow Cabinet Office minister, met Sir Mark for 45 minutes in the Labour leader’s office.

The meeting was “frank and detailed, with a full exchange of views”, a Labour spokesman said. “The seriousness of the civil service breach and the evident malicious intent behind it was acknowledged by all participants in the meeting.

“Jeremy Corbyn and Jon Trickett pressed the case for a fully independent investigation to restore trust and confidence in the civil service. They were promised an independent element to the civil service investigation, that they will receive regular updates on its progress and that it would report as soon as possible. They made clear that the credibility of the investigation will be assessed on the basis of its results.”

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman agreed that the discussion had been “open and constructive”. The investigation will be conducted by civil servants unrelated to the events, and the findings will be shared with the first civil service commissioner.

The prime minister’s official spokesman confirmed that an investigation was the appropriate response to the allegations. “The civil service is responsible for looking into any potential breaches of the civil service code and this is no different,” he said. “If we are able to identify any individual responsible we will take appropriate disciplinary action.”

The Times reported at the weekend that the future of Mr Corbyn was openly discussed at an event attended by senior civil servants, with one saying that “there must be senior people in the party who know that he is not functioning on all cylinders”.

Lord Kerslake, former head of the civil service and a Labour adviser, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that it was “unacceptable” for civil servants to get involved in politics and that anyone who did so should lose their job if they were identified.

 
Labour insiders are braced for the party’s antisemitism dispute to worsen when a BBC Panorama episode entitled Is Labour antisemitic? is broadcast next week. The BBC claims that the documentary has secured “access to confidential communications and documents” which “reveal . . . evasions and contradictions”. One Labour insider said that they expected the episode to focus on the workings of Mr Corbyn’s closest aides.

In May the party was placed under formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission to examine whether it had unlawfully discriminated against Jews.

Yesterday the party was embroiled in another row when a pregnant MP who signed a statement criticising the decision to lift the suspension of Chris Williamson — the MP who said that Labour was being “too apologetic” about antisemitism — was targeted for deselection. Ellie Reeves, MP for Lewisham West & Penge since 2017, was threatened with a no-confidence vote by a local member.

The move would have stopped short of the formal deselection process but was abandoned after an angry response from Labour MPs. Harriet Harman, the former Labour deputy leader, said: “Ellie Reeves is not going to be deselected in 2019 while five months pregnant. We are not going to let it happen. Full stop!”

 

 

 

 

To be fair, failing in the polls almost guarantees a win these days

[Buce]

21 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

To be fair, failing in the polls almost guarantees a win these days

 

Not in this case, mate.

 

For all his early promise, he has become an electoral liability.

[Foxin_Mad]

If he could decide whether the voters in Islington are more important or whether the voters in the north/midlands are more important to the Labour party it would help him.

 

He's trying to do a 'May' and satisfy everyone's needs without actually satisfying anyone.

 

A lot of the Labour members are remainers, Corbyn is a leaver and he knows he needs to be out of the EU to implement some of his far left policies. He also knows if he admits he wants to leave, he will lose any support he does have rather quickly. 

[Jon the Hat]

21 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

It's a great leveller, almost getting hit by a falling aircraft stowaway.

 

Black or white, rich or poor, religious or atheist, we could all be struck by some poor sod from Mozambique or wherever plummeting from the heavens at any moment.

 

I think this could help us overcome our differences, I really do

If we can afford to live in Clapham.

[Buce]

 

Farage is such a magnet for racists and weirdos.

Ann Widdecombe likens Brexit to emancipation of slaves

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slaves

 

 

[RoboFox]

51 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Farage is such a magnet for racists and weirdos.

Ann Widdecombe likens Brexit to emancipation of slaves

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slaves

 

 

I couldn't even finish the video.

 

I genuinely think the people sat in that room listening to those two f**king clowns must think the UK are trolling them.

 

I'd rather that than they think we, as a nation, are making coherent decisions when we elect these people to positions of responsibility.

 

They're like the strange fusty-smelling couple who sit in the corner of your local nursing the same pint of John Smiths for eight hours, and whom you swerve on the way to the bogs because they'll collar you and immediately launch into a diatribe of bigoted nonsense.

 

This guy nailed it:

 

 

 

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Farage is such a magnet for racists and weirdos.

Ann Widdecombe likens Brexit to emancipation of slaves

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slaves

 

 

 

Was going to put her in the Absolute Cvnts thread 

[Buce]

13 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

I couldn't even finish the video.

 

I genuinely think the people sat in that room listening to those two f**king clowns must think the UK are trolling them.

 

I'd rather that than they think we, as a nation, are making coherent decisions when we elect these people to positions of responsibility.

 

They're like the strange fusty-smelling couple who sit in the corner of your local nursing the same pint of John Smiths for eight hours, and whom you swerve on the way to the bogs because they'll collar you and immediately launch into a diatribe of bigoted nonsense.

 

This guy nailed it:

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

Was going to put her in the Absolute Cvnts thread 

 

I was saying in the Trump thread earlier how the Americans I know are all embarrassed by Trump and what has become of their country - that's exactly how I'm feeling about what has become of ours. The nation that gave the world Darwin and Newton, Shakespeare and Dickens, now gives the world the middle finger.

 

So utterly depressing.

[ajthefox]

12 hours ago, Buce said:

 

If this was any other drug, the gammons would be frothing at the mouth:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/04/staggering-cost-nhs-alcohol-abuse-report

New report reveals staggering cost to NHS of alcohol abuse

One in 10 people in a hospital bed are alcohol-dependent and one in five are harming themselves by drinking

 

Buce, do you think there is anything we can/should be doing to try and prevent things from getting this bad for people?

 

I'm torn - other than through raising taxation I'm not sure there are any easy steps to reduce this and I can't say with any authority what benefit that will really have to those who need help most. In addition, you can't guarantee (and it's probably unlikely) that raises in taxation would even benefit the services which deal with these issues.

 

Although I think we can safely say that it's good to expose young people to alcohol (in small, controlled doses) to avoid creating taboo, I think we could make a start by reducing the amount that alcohol is normalised in the media. Adults are fine to make their own choices and live by them, but I do find it crazy how normalised drinking is in our culture. I enjoy sunday brunch but they have an alcohol section every week where guests often laugh about getting hammered.

 

I support their right (and my own) to get hammered if that's what they want (just like I believe I should be allowed to get as stoned as I like) and the reality is that that will always happen regardless of advertising, but I do feel a little odd about how much drinking is encouraged on a day to day basis across pretty much any media stream you come across these days.

 

I've cut down a lot in my late twenties - I generally now drink to enjoy what I am drinking and to get a little bit drunk/celebrate now and again.

[Dr The Singh]

12 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Buce, do you think there is anything we can/should be doing to try and prevent things from getting this bad for people?

 

I'm torn - other than through raising taxation I'm not sure there are any easy steps to reduce this and I can't say with any authority what benefit that will really have to those who need help most. In addition, you can't guarantee (and it's probably unlikely) that raises in taxation would even benefit the services which deal with these issues.

 

Although I think we can safely say that it's good to expose young people to alcohol (in small, controlled doses) to avoid creating taboo, I think we could make a start by reducing the amount that alcohol is normalised in the media. Adults are fine to make their own choices and live by them, but I do find it crazy how normalised drinking is in our culture. I enjoy sunday brunch but they have an alcohol section every week where guests often laugh about getting hammered.

 

I support their right (and my own) to get hammered if that's what they want (just like I believe I should be allowed to get as stoned as I like) and the reality is that that will always happen regardless of advertising, but I do feel a little odd about how much drinking is encouraged on a day to day basis across pretty much any media stream you come across these days.

 

I've cut down a lot in my late twenties - I generally now drink to enjoy what I am drinking and to get a little bit drunk/celebrate now and again.

Not knowing alot about Buce, but he comes across as a guy that Google's loads of shit, mate.  Finding answer to these things there are probably more appropriate guys in working men's clubs and assylum camps 

[The Guvnor]

8 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Not in this case, mate.

 

For all his early promise, he has become an electoral liability.

Early promise ?